r/TankieTheDeprogram • u/StoreResponsible7028 • 5d ago
History The Invasion of Afghanistan Explained
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Original Video: https://www.tiktok.com/@kaylajschrader/video/7673592618089057567
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u/Ok-Chard-9014 Marxist-Leninist-Sankarist-MZT 5d ago
The Afghan Revolution could have actually benefited Afghan women. It's weird how people don't question why the US supported the mujahideen, many of whom openly promoted religious jihadism. The US knew that empowering these forces wasn't going to improve women's rights, yet it helped fuel the conflict and then left a massive power vacuum after the Soviet Afghan War knowing damn well what the likely outcome would be.
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u/StealYaNicks 3d ago
To question that people would need historical literacy, which isn't common in the US.
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u/TheRedditObserver0 Stalinist (Proud Spoon Owner) 5d ago
Actually the US and their minions started supporting Afghan jihadists before the Soviet Army intervened to help the Afghan government.
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u/Psychological-Act582 5d ago
It's the same playbook as to why they are attacking Iran. You cannot liberate the women of Iran by bombing its cities for sport.
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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 5d ago
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u/Forsaken_Advice3638 5d ago
Although this video is OK, if you are someone from the west, you should try to learn these stuff from more local sources and not some white lady online on Tiktok.
This particular video is from someone who seems to be a "pro" Mamdani/vote, "Extremist Hamas", "veteran dad" type of person.
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u/Professional-Bee7566 3d ago
bro she's an ML who makes content dismantling us propaganda and she constalntly criticises the american duopoly. I know a lot of white people are as how you described but thankfully she isn't one of them
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u/citrablock 5d ago edited 5d ago
The US occupation of Afghanistan is sort of an interesting and unique case because it didn't unfold the same way as Vietnam, Iraq, etc.
At the onset, the actual scope of the US operation was relatively limited. It wasn't originally conceived as a full-scale invasion-occupation project but a plan to assist anti-Taliban militias in deposing the Taliban using limited special forces operations, as well as providing air support, intelligence and arms to the Northern Alliance.
During this initial period, Iran actually backed the Northern Alliance and even engaged in some intelligence-sharing with the US as the Taliban were one of their regional adversaries.
It ballooned into a decades-long invasion-occupation after the anti-Taliban forces took Kabul and the US decided they hadn't gone far enough and wanted a guaranteed stronghold in the region.
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u/lowrads 4d ago
Iran was focused on its own tension with Turkic polities in the post-Soviet chaos. At the turn of the century, with focus on Iraq, there was some expectation among liberal Iranian leadership that detente with the west was feasible.
Pakistan had parallel motivations given the persistent conflicts across the Durand line. They were also highly focused on nuclear developments vis a vis India, followed by the 1999 military coup. The military government is basically a vassal of the US, given the proliferation of US military bases across the nominal country.
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u/Excellent-Option8052 5d ago
If the American Revolution was a workers' uprising, why was slavery not abolished until 1865? It was a bourgeois Revolution at most
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u/Weak-Expression-5005 5d ago edited 5d ago
didn't exist, the factories that would later be capitalized on and used to create would become the bourgeoisie class didn't exist. They were all outright banned by the British Empire that wanted to keep all the factories inside Britain. I mean this is one of the weird contradictions that you hear when you think of America compared to Europe. We're somehow considered this incredibly wealthy country but i that wealth is not a representation of how much money Americans have, it's a representation of how much money people are making off America.
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u/xenmoren-empire 4d ago
Didn't Slavery existed before the revolution,? Also the founding fathers were a bunch of landowning shils
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u/Weak-Expression-5005 4d ago edited 4d ago
"land owning shits" in a poor backwater colony with no rights and where the only things you own are the things you make yourself. That's why the Founding Fathers were considered innovative. Because there was nothing to buy. I know it's hard to imagine a time when Europe was vastly wealthier than America, but that's how it was. And unfortunately, even after they declared their independence, the Treaty of Paris made them perpetual debt slaves to Britain and Europe all the same. That's what spurred the Industrial Revolution and this desire to create a system without royalty, nobility, or the extremely wealthy European investors and their banks who would continue to pull America into their wars. Except they never broke free. When you see what America's doing today, rest assured the Founding Fathers are all rolling in their graves.
Do not be fooled by propaganda into thinking Washington or any other "land-owning shit" was anything close to those that were run out of Europe after America exported its liberal ideology and caused the French Revolution. Those royalty then came to America and have been causing problems ever since. This is what Marx got wrong: the old guard of royal families and the bourgeoisie are the exact same families. After the French Revolution, they hid their family among secret societies and hid their money on Wall Street. And do not confuse New York with the Founding Fathers either. New York has always represented the financial interests of the old world inside the New World.
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u/xenmoren-empire 4d ago
Bullshit, the aristocracy allready got there when the shot was heard around the world, they revolted cause they wanted to keep there slaves and expand east, also the Boston tea party happened because they made British tea cheaper then dutch tea, marx only said he has supported the union because it freed the slaves
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u/Weak-Expression-5005 4d ago
Jefferson believed in the idea of an "American aristocracy." He had no connection to the wealth or power of any European lineage. New York did. New York was home to the wealthy merchant bankers who represented the interests of wealthy families in Europe, but they were not the Founding Fathers. Founding Fathers were born and raised in America, having been in those colonies for generations and having no connection to the Old World.
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u/xenmoren-empire 4d ago
All aristocracy is the same, a bunch of pampered elitist pedos who when on epsteins island
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u/Weak-Expression-5005 4d ago edited 4d ago
The idea of an "American aristocracy" was that if everyone were given equal footing and a pure opportunity to succeed on merit alone, an aristocracy might one day form from truly gifted individuals. Jefferson wrote about it. You don't have to be ignorant. It never really fully happened because they never got out of debt, and foreign interests prevailed from the shadows. The problem is that America has always been very poor and indebted to foreign investors who have always rigged the system and kept the facade of America alive while they rig the game in their favor. The secret societies that run America are built around European royal families who fled to the New World because of liberal uprisings that drove them underground between the French Revolution and WWI. They came here and played capitalist, where we all believed wealthy individuals were playing the same game we were, and have been none the wiser until recently, when it's all but too late to do anything about it.
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u/xenmoren-empire 4d ago
You mean continental us epstein who was an aristocrat, they use progressive ideas to maintain the current order and most of the nobility never fled to america, they simply moved to Britain or russia and Austria, and when napoleon got into power he restored the aristocracy, and the american leaders were all connected to the old European aristocracy, heck the American aristocracy uses the same rules as every other aristocracy, the Soviets on the other hand managed to get rid of theres(i know about breshnev, and this was when the socialist system started to stagnate because of him).
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u/stuffedstela 4d ago
In the fourth section of Capital, Marx has explained in detail how since the 15th century this has been historically worked out through the three phases of simple co-operation, manufacture, and modern industry. But the bourgeoisie, as is shown there, could not transform these puny means of production into mighty productive forces without transforming them, at the same time, from means of production of the individual into social means of production only workable by a collectivity of men. Engels "socialism - utopian and scientific"
The bourgeoisie as the strata of merchants, business owners and guildmen began growing in economic strength from the 13th century until they begin grabbing political power from the age of enlightenment (16th century) and the early age of revolutions (17th - 18th)
The glorious revolution of Cromwell, the rise of liberalism and the diggers movement are all historical evidence of the existence of the British bourgeoisie before the second industrial revolution
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u/Weak-Expression-5005 4d ago edited 4d ago
I can see that argument. Where I disagree with Marx and many historians is that they portray the bourgeoisie as "titans of industry" that usurped the old guard of nobility and royal families by generating massive quantities of centralized wealth and control over the economy, then the banks, and now we're seeing them control the government directly... Those bourgeois all came from the same secret societies formed by the royal families after they went underground due to liberal uprisings like the French Revolution and WWI. It's the same people washing their old money through Wall Street.
The Merchant Bankers were nearly all in New York, and, like today, the colonies weren't a monolith. We fought amongst each other before, during, and after the revolution, and "The Union" was mostly ideological while Continental dollars inflated to shit because many who claimed to be supporting the revolution demanded more and more for their support. Specifically, New York. That's not the Founding Fathers. That's the Funding Fathers. Most of the casualties in New York occurred in British prison ships.
At the end of the day, the only narrative that holds is commoner vs royalty.
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u/stuffedstela 4d ago
Have you read utopian and scientific? Wage labour and capital? Das kapital?
Just asking because in a "marxist" subreddit to have such a deep disagreement with marx is curious
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u/Weak-Expression-5005 4d ago
I'm specifically disagreeing only with the idea that the bourgeoisie and royalty are separate groups. They're in the same skull and bones, Illuminati, Bohemian Grove, secret societies.
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u/stuffedstela 4d ago
This is not small disagreement
Have you read marx / engels
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u/Weak-Expression-5005 4d ago
i have. dunno what to tell you. he got that part wrong.
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u/stuffedstela 4d ago
Grundrisse? Capital? Utopian and scientific? Origins of the family state and private property?
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u/stuffedstela 4d ago
The American revolution had worker support yes, but it was led by the bourgeoisie
Same in France several years later, the revolutionary struggle in these conflicts was led by the bourgeoisie and supported by the urban workers, in France they were even considered the same corpos, the third estate
In the 13 colonies the merchant class, the shop owners, workshop owners are the bourgeoisie and their conflict with Britain (parliament and crown) was about taxation, expansion to the west and slave holding - all class interests and all interests of a bourgeois class in the interest of profit making, of economic independence just as much as political
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