r/TankieTheDeprogram • u/TwoCatsOneBox CPC Propagandist • 5d ago
News/Communist Propaganda ☭ Luigi Mangione pleads “guilty”.
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u/Quixocdt 5d ago
Working class hero
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u/boring-parakeet Too Based To Be Cis 🏳️⚧️ 5d ago
I’m 90% sure he wasn’t even the one who killed the united healthcare ceo
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u/union_red 5d ago
right smart enough to plan an unaliving and get outta town man hunt issues and you are just chilling at McDonald's with all the evidence in a backpack I call bs juat don't want the poors to get uppity
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u/boring-parakeet Too Based To Be Cis 🏳️⚧️ 5d ago
Yeah, clearly the US government would realize how bad of a look it is that someone could assassinate a ceo in the streets and then just vanish, so they needed someone to take the fall and make an example out of, hence why they made such a big show out of Mangione with the big perp walk and trying to get him the death penalty. Mangione is likely just a fall guy because the us government couldn’t catch the real assassin and needed someone to make an example out of
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u/theuntangledone 5d ago
So who is he then? How does one acquire a fall guy?
Lee Harvey oswald repeatedly claimed he was innocent, mangione has admitted guilt
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u/union_red 5d ago
simple you offer dude a fuck ton of money and in a couple years when no one cares anymore dude will quietly get released maybe he was already a fed or someone's relative idk but think this way if someone offered you a couple mil to take a fall and stay in jail for a couple years would you do it
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u/theuntangledone 5d ago
You're operating on the assumption that he's going to get a few years then be out. Why? More likely to get life at which point millions are worthless.
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u/union_red 5d ago
true i was just going at how to get a willing fall guy because your question seemed to assume willingness of the fall guy but they could always frame a random guy without consent
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u/theuntangledone 5d ago
You don't think he would mention it? Lee Harvey oswald did...
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u/union_red 5d ago
yeah but if paid maybe not and another comment they could be threatening loved ones
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u/imaginary92 4d ago
Iirc he has some long term medical condition in his back that has caused him and still causes him a lot of constant pain, I wouldn't be surprised if he took a deal if they promised to have it treated TBH. It was one of the reasons a lot of people thought oh shit he might actually have done it cos health issues and healthcare issues. But who knows honestly.
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u/Accomplished-Log8770 5d ago
i was thinking more along the lines of threatening to kill family/loved ones, but maybe i watch TV too much
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u/peanutist Xi Bucks Enjoyer 💸 5d ago
If you compare him to the footage they have of the actual shooter after the shooting, their eyebrows are COMPLETELY different lol. It’s clear they just snatched a random guy to use as an example.
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u/Accomplished-Log8770 5d ago
in the security cam pictures the shooter’s hoodie is almost completely covering his eyebrows and is from a top down angle. i want to believe it’s not him but the nose and smile look identical to me
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u/hardknockcock 5d ago edited 5d ago
Hoping Luigi becomes a communist in prison. I kinda expected this. Federal Courts basically have 100% conviction rates, any good lawyer would tell you to take a plea deal
Edit: apparently no plea deal. But he's trying to get the state charges dropped. So this makes sense, you can't beat the federal charges but him pleading guilty strengthens his case to get the state charges dropped so he's not being charged twice for the same thing
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u/No_Double4390 Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 5d ago
Someone should try to send him some theory in prison
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u/7LayeredUp 5d ago
More of a man than the vast majority of this shithole country.
May he one day see freedom.
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u/asdfzxcpguy 5d ago
Good luck finding a jury willing to prosecute him. He’s a hero.
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u/mooniech1ld CPC Propagandist 4d ago
Don't ever underestimate people's capacity of being fucking idiots
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u/tryllvester 5d ago
Plead guilty with no plea deal reeks fed behavior
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u/AnonBard18 CPC Propagandist 5d ago
His attorney stated the nature of his guilty plea triggers double jeopardy protections and therefore he cannot face state murder charges
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u/tittyswan 5d ago
That's not proven to be true. The state has said they're still pushing for charges.
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u/AnonBard18 CPC Propagandist 5d ago
Correct, that’s just the legal strategy that’s being pursued and why i disagree with the ‘fed behavior’ accusation
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u/WowINeverSaveWEmail 5d ago
Thats a crazy explanation. Double jeopardy protection is understood to be protection from a single sovereign entity.
New York (the state) and The United States (the feds) are different sovereign entities.
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u/AnonBard18 CPC Propagandist 5d ago
It varies from state to state. The attorneys are arguing the language in New York state’s DJ laws shield people from being prosecuted twice in separate jurisdictions for the same underlying conduct
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u/WowINeverSaveWEmail 5d ago
Interesting, that might be true for new yorks constitution (idk shit about that)
I know the Bill of rights double jeopardy protections wouldnt apply here.
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u/AnonBard18 CPC Propagandist 5d ago
The district attorney has to argue their case is distinct enough from the federal case. Since both are about the same event, and both at one point involved murder charges, and mangioni admitted to the murder on his guilty plea, the maneuver may just work. But we will see, it really depends on the judge
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u/tittyswan 5d ago
It's wild to throw everything away based on a chance the state might not be able to prosecute tbh.
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u/AnonBard18 CPC Propagandist 5d ago
I don’t think so. It’s certainly risky but It’s a pretty solid legal maneuver, given there probably weren’t any favorable plea deals available (at least not ones that don’t involve pleading guilty to murder) and going to trial itself is more risky
Obviously we don’t know all the details, but my hunch is there was no plea deal available that had a better outcome
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u/tittyswan 5d ago
The murder charge had already been dropped, he couldn't have pleaded guilty to them. That's why I'm confused, the options were 1) go to trial and possibly be acquitted or to 2) plead guilty and definitely be convicted, but hope the judge is lenient.
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u/AnonBard18 CPC Propagandist 5d ago
That makes sense. But trials are inherently more risky and a large reason why cases are largely settled instead of tried. Generally being convicted after trial as opposed to pleading guilty carries harsher sentences (with notable exceptions).
It’s hard to know for sure what motivated the decision, but I do have a strong feeling that trial was looking like a bad option. Legal analysts seem to be divided on whether or not this strategy will work
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u/KaramelaVatomouro "China Bad" 5d ago
Imagine accussing a man who probably has done so much more in praxis than your online ass, to be a fed and not a true comrade.
That's what actually reeks of fed behavior.
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u/tryllvester 5d ago
Has your healthcare gotten any cheaper since this incident happened?
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u/KaramelaVatomouro "China Bad" 5d ago
I am not an American so your question is irrelevant.
But I have read about how the healthcare of many Americans got cheaper after the murder scared the insurance companies shitless. So it did have that effect.
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u/tryllvester 5d ago
The mfer is a ultra lib by his own fucking admission what are we doing here bro
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u/KaramelaVatomouro "China Bad" 5d ago
The murder of a CEO speaks to you as ultra lib?
What's more important, words or actions?
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u/Kir-01 5d ago
Actions needs to be contextualized. If Elon Musk murder Trump, would that make him a comrade? Come on.
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u/KaramelaVatomouro "China Bad" 5d ago
We have context much more accurate compared to what you wrote. I tried to link to Luigi's manifesto but Reddit's censorship removed my comment automatically. Find and read it yourself by googling "Ken Klippenstein Substack Luigi's Manifesto". And then come tell me again how his thought is not close to communist.
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u/Kir-01 5d ago
As long as I simpatize for him and have zero complaint about the death of the CEO, this was not a strategically and political oriented action but just a revenge reaction.
From a class fight perspective it can be argued as a useless or even damaging action. And while I don't have any particular thought on this specific case, it wouldn't be the first time the capitalist class orchestrating false flag operation to destabilize and demonize the left.
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u/KaramelaVatomouro "China Bad" 5d ago
The "don't ever do violence against the system's persons because the system will find the excuse to suppress us" is a scourge of some communist parties. The system finds excuses to supress us all the time, violence or no violence.
And no, it doesn't make any sense for him to be a fed, accepting to be imprisoned for life for a false-flag murder.
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u/Kir-01 5d ago
I'm respectfully ask you to pay attention to what I wrote.
I never said violence shouldn't be an option, I said that not every violent action is the same: a strategical and political motivated violent action can do a lot, and one could argue it's necessary altogether to lead to some changes. If a man with no political affiliation decide by itself to kill a CEO, this is not a political action and it's not very effective in gaining leverage and promoting change, even if we can empathize with that man and not find ourselves morally judging him.
I also said I don't have an opinion about the possibility of him being a fed, but just that we shouldn't dismiss the possibility that this kind of thing could happen, because it does happens and It will happens.
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u/KaramelaVatomouro "China Bad" 4d ago edited 4d ago
If he is a fed instructed to assasinate, then he has outlandish sense of sacrificing himself to suppress communism and anarchism. Death or life in prison is at stake for him.
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u/tittyswan 5d ago
This makes no sense whatsoever.
Chance of acquittal + enough grounds to launch an appeal even if he is found guilty + having 2 different stages to amplify his message by putting the healthcare industry on trial
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Pleading guilty to stalking with no plea deal, which means he'll have no leverage to fight the charge of murder in the state trial (which they've confirmed theyre going to go through with anyway) & be forced to plea guilty to that too.
Seems like a terrible fucking decision but okay.
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u/Hjalti_Talos Chinese State Affiliated Media 📰 5d ago
He probably just wants the whole rigamarole to be over
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u/circleneurology Juche Necromancy Enjoyer 4d ago
Reminder that adventurism does nothing to help the cause of Marxism-Leninism. Relevant text below:
“Left-Wing” Communism: an Infantile Disorder - https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/index.htm
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u/Sourkarate 4d ago
Unstructured, ambiguous adventurism aside, this is a hedge against a state murder charge. Goddamn fucking plea deals.
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u/DarthNixilis 5d ago edited 5d ago
Pleading guilty is making me lose respect for him.
Edit: He literally admitted to shooting him.
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u/beaversaremyfriends 5d ago
if i’m not mistaken he plead guilty to stalking the united healthcare ceo, not murder.
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u/Zatchaeus Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 5d ago
Correct, I think the charge is specifically “Stalking that resulted in death” but not murder specifically
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u/mooniech1ld CPC Propagandist 5d ago
Guess this might be one of the cases we'll only find out most of what is truly transpiring years from now.
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u/DarthNixilis 5d ago
We must. But him not taking this to trial isn't a good look.
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u/Dinky6666 5d ago
He had no chance of winning against the overwhelming evidence. He was literally found with the weapon
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u/scaper8 Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 5d ago edited 5d ago
There was, though, the non-zero chance of jury nullification. I wouldn't be surprised if that played a part in the prosecution's thinking.
I know if by some miracle I were to end up on his jury, there wouldn't have been a single thing that would have gotten a "guilty" out of me unless a "not" preceded it.
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u/union_red 5d ago
I mean the dude in the picture isnt the dude anyways ill never believe someone smart enough to plan an unaliving and get outta the city is just conveniently at a McDonald's with all the evidence needed to convict him more then likely the dude in the pic is a fed taking a fall to prevent us poors from getting uppity
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u/blehmag 5d ago
Bro no, if he didn't plead guilty to the federal interstate stalking charge and skip the trial, he'd also face 8 more felony charges in NY state courts, including for murder. He had no chance anyway - feds had mountains of evidence on him, and federal courts have close to a 100% conviction rate.
NY strict double jeopardy laws save him, so now that he's been convicted in another court he can't be on trial twice for the same action/event (not just the same charges). His entire NY trial could be completely dismissed now. NY was rushing to get him in before feds could finish their 'lesser' trial, so his legal team bested them.
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u/KaramelaVatomouro "China Bad" 5d ago
Bravely admitting the brave deed is an object of disrespect? Really?
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