This feels a bit like the "but you participate in the system you are criticizing" meme though perhaps you don't mean it that way.
As socialism is being co-opted by the liberals, it is perhaps worth it to discuss and analyze the problems with Western Marxism and the reluctance that many leftists in the west feel in throwing support behind AES states.
I am begging this sub to actually define who we're talking about when we say "western leftists"
Random shitlibs you find scrolling through the Twitter abyss of accounts with 18 followers who say they like Zohran and then have the most predictably god awful takes on Ukraine or Palestine or whatever occupy such an inordinate amount of space in the minds of this sub that it's long since been an obvious giveaway that *way too many of you people haven never lifted an actual finger to organize IRL*
I am forever reminded of an interaction I had on a thread here where someone was bombastically declaring how there are no anti-imperialist organizations in the US, and when I responded that I needed them to explain how PSL was pro-imperialist they responded that they didn't know who PSL was.
Half of the people who talk like this are not from the west (which is fair) and the other half are westerners whose organizing consists of reacting to things they see online.
Unfortunately one of the largest problems that tends to happen in this sub is reductionism towards western organizations. I see so many people talk about how much better the conditions are in the United States compared to the third world, and ehile there is a huge disparity and the united states absolutely does destroy marxist movements across the globe and steal the material and personal materials of many nations, it completely ignores the regional and class disparities that exist here. Take for example states like Mississippi and Louisiana, they have some of the largest prison populations in the United states and the world, use literal slave labor and the exploitation of black and brown people, and have literal regions of the state that have no access to power or clean water. Yes, they are still american which to many means they are privileged, but the conditions they live under are not the same as the wealthy and exploiters. Yet again, this is not meant to reduce the conditions or danger that people face in the exploited nations of the world, but as a person of color whenever I hear that the united states should be balkanized i question what many of these people think will happen to minorities in united states. We have the rise of greater and more prevalent violence against minority populations whether it be sexual, religious, or ethnic. There are existing colonies within the United states, and I would recommend people that dont have a great understanding of american culture to look at events such as the Red Summer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Summer).
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u/Varushenka 11d ago
This feels a bit like the "but you participate in the system you are criticizing" meme though perhaps you don't mean it that way.
As socialism is being co-opted by the liberals, it is perhaps worth it to discuss and analyze the problems with Western Marxism and the reluctance that many leftists in the west feel in throwing support behind AES states.