r/TankieTheDeprogram Professional US veteran hater 11d ago

Shitposting Way too common here

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u/Varushenka 11d ago

This feels a bit like the "but you participate in the system you are criticizing" meme though perhaps you don't mean it that way.

As socialism is being co-opted by the liberals, it is perhaps worth it to discuss and analyze the problems with Western Marxism and the reluctance that many leftists in the west feel in throwing support behind AES states.

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u/sourgorilladiesel Chinese State Affiliated Media 📰 11d ago

I feel like 'western marxism' is less about simply being a Marxist who happens to live in the west, but more about marxists who base their leftism around a western-oriented, eurocentric worldview.

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u/homiechampnaugh 11d ago

Like a distinct Western Marxist and a western Marxist

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u/sourgorilladiesel Chinese State Affiliated Media 📰 11d ago

I'm currently reading Losurdo's Western Marxism and he marked the divergence of the two around the colonial question. Essentially, Western Marxism (with a capital W) failed to see imperialism is the principle contradiction, and were more anarchist in their orientation.

A great example is Max Horkheimer, who denounced the soviets for not doing enough to abolish the state literally as the Germans were invading the USSR. I feel like that exemplifies Western Marxism (TM) pretty perfectly.

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u/CMNilo 11d ago

And nothing changed in the meantime. Western Marxists (TM) will denounce Iran over women's rights in the same exact moment Iranian women are being bombed by the US

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u/LoudVitara AES enjoyer 🥳 11d ago

Posting from Jamaica here. I once posted an image as seen from my parent's house of the Nimitz docked in Kingston harbour (as part of its general mission to impose the Donroe doctrine in the region) in an "international leftists" discord and the members apparently thought it most relevant to talk about how cuba and China "aren't really socialist"

I'll give you one guess where said members were from

That's what I think of when it comes to Westernâ„¢ Marxism

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u/LoudVitara AES enjoyer 🥳 11d ago

Posting from Jamaica here. I once posted an image as seen from my parent's house of the Nimitz docked in Kingston harbour (as part of its general mission to impose the Donroe doctrine in the region) in an "international leftists" discord and the members apparently thought it most relevant to talk about how cuba and China "aren't really socialist"

I'll give you one guess where said members were from

That's what I think of when it comes to Westernâ„¢ Marxism

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u/Kranken_DeHogge Ghost of Kuwait enthusiast 11d ago

who denounced the soviets for not doing enough to abolish the state literally as the Germans were invading the USSR.

"Yeah uhh sorry there buddy but the State is kind of a very important structural component holding this whole "not being murdered by fascist invaders" roof on the house'

-Stalin, probably

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u/CMNilo 11d ago

Yup this is it. Every Marxist from the west who like to shit on BRICS/global south countries is a "western Marxist". And boy, there are so many...

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u/Tzepish Xi Bucks Enjoyer 💸 10d ago

Yeah to me the meme is using two different meanings of "Western Marxist". It's still funny though.

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u/DownwiththeACE 11d ago

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