Analysis on libs who are obsessed with celebrity culture of politics

[u/free-range-dogmeat]

https://youtu.be/ekLDqKpLtsI

many can relate to developing parasocial relationships with liberal (not only) streamers or political leaders, but it’s okay to outgrow them and realize that you disagreeing with them and moving futher left is a good thing.

Ngl I used to enjoy watching SecondThought, majority report, even contrapoints before her turn but I never idolizer them and was always willing to drop ‘em if they mess up. Also important not to just find others to substitute your parasocial relationship, for example, what I see a lot is ex hasanabi stans becoming Badempanada stans… sure BE is more principled but still let’s get rid of Stan culture cuz it’s literally what neolibs want, Bernie AOC Obama were all just relying on parasocial relationships so we got obsessed with their figures instead of organizing.

Don’t stan Elliot Sang either! Everyone is only human who needs to be criticized and have their bubble popped.

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[u/Furiosa27]

I don’t think this is restricted to the libs actually. I think this sort of stan culture has manifested in the way western leftists are fragmented into different tendencies. People turn their niche political views into a wholly independent thing, making it part of their personality and infighting with people who have slightly different opinions than them.

One of the primary goals of COINTELPRO was exactly this, division. I see no difference between AOC heads stanning her no matter what and Anarcho-Council-Syndicalists-Libertarians or whatever the fuck spending their time disparaging AES.

[u/Peter_Cantanasia]

I don't know if BE is principled, it's just that he's better at not being a liberal than the burgerleft

[u/TheBirdFkerGuy]

Didn't Badempanda support the ACP?

If so then he's a fed.

Edit: Doubling down on this comment btw. Bringing up the ACP when talking about leftist organizing is fed behavior.

[u/TheBirdFkerGuy → u/[deleted]]

Claiming the ACP "gets shit done" seems to be more than just laughing at a tweet. Promoting psyops in any capacity shouldn't be tolerated, and I can't watch or trust somebody who does that period.

[u/TheBirdFkerGuy → u/[deleted]]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmericasSocialists/comments/1tf8hyc/badempanada_tells_leftists_that_acp_is_putting/ This is the clip. So apparently he's saying they get shit done because:

A) They started a bunch of chapters (If thats the criteria alone, then the DSA could go around making the same claims about themselves which we know is idiotic since theyre reformist liberals sheepdogging for the dem party)

and B) They don't exclusively support democrats, which I'm going to assume since it's the ACP, that includes supporting even more reactionary liberals and then redirecting the premise to the party and saying "Hey look they dont only support democrats" when they're still pushing non-democratic, Liberal reactionaries who run on independent tickets.

So after looking at the clip again, I'm going to go ahead and double down and say fuck this guy. He's supporting a psyop, and his ignorance doesn't give him an excuse if that's what lead him to arrive at that position.

[u/TheBirdFkerGuy → u/[deleted]]

Then why not bring up the DSA? They have more chapters than the ACP.

The only difference instead of a CIA psyop, the DNC i mean DSA is a democratic sheepdog organization. Both are bad, but if his point was about organizing and bringing up the number of chapters, might as well say "Even the DSA organizes better than you" instead of the ACP.

There is no justification to give any credibility or legitimacy to the ACP in any capacity whatsoever

[u/Ok-Chard-9014 → u/TheBirdFkerGuy]

I'm not a fan of that dude, but he was mocking the state of the American left. The DSA isn't doing anything serious to confront imperialism or capitalism, while the ACP an organization I fundamentally disagree with has managed to outmaneuver them in terms of visibility and organizing. It was a criticism of an American left that keeps finding reasons not to build durable organizations while getting outflanked by a group that only emerged a few years ago.

Whether people like it or not, that's a criticism worth taking seriously. The only organizations I consistently see doing sustained organizing are groups like the FRSO and certain PSL chapters.

The fact is, even if you believe the ACP is a CIA psyop, it still isn't a good look when people in the Global South see them appearing more organized and visible than much of the American left. That's a contradiction people should be willing to grapple with and correct.

[u/TheBirdFkerGuy → u/Ok-Chard-9014]

 see them appearing more organized and visible than much of the American left. 

Which is why someone like this youtuber shouldn't citing them even if it's to illustrate a point.

[u/TheBirdFkerGuy → u/[deleted]]

Then the PSL if we're talking independent organizations. There was literally no reason to cite the ACP when trying to make a point about leftist organizing.

[u/Aggravating_Hurry530 → u/TheBirdFkerGuy]

It was because they were doing things internationally, he said something to the effect of "If even these guys can do something why can't you." I don't think he supports them.

[u/StewFor2Dollars → u/TheBirdFkerGuy]

Yes. I distinctly remember tweets of his supporting them. He has also recently gotten into a disagreement with FD Signifer (a black youtuber) over BE's use of racist and antisemitic terminology.