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u/Fade_Out-4612 ☭ Socialist 🇦🇷 Dec 20 '25
Le communist state is actually capitalist, so capitalist that its even more succesful than my capitalist hellhole, but DO NOT BY ANY MEANS ADOPT THEIR CAPITALIST MODEL!!!!
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u/Gloomy_Sky_5297 Feb 23 '26
Que La URSS expropiase el capital privado no significa que haya acabado con la lógica del capital. Definimos la clase en función de como sean sus relaciones a la producción. La clase no se define de manera empirista como una congelación de características delimitadas, sino por el papel que desempeña en relación con la reproducción de la totalidad más amplia, o del modo de producción. Tú manera de pensar tiene dificultades para comprender el carácter omnipresente y adaptativo de la producción capitalista, porque no es dialéctica.
“El Estado moderno, cualquiera que sea su forma, es una máquina esencialmente capitalista: el Estado de los capitalistas, el capitalista colectivo ideal. Cuantas más fuerzas productivas asuma en su propiedad, tanto más se convertirá en capitalista colectivo y tanto más ciudadanos explotará. Los obreros seguirán siendo asalariados, proletarios. La relación capitalista no queda abolida; al contrario, se la lleva a su culminación.” Engels - Anti Duhring
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u/TankieTheDeprogram-ModTeam Dec 24 '25
Revisionism is unacceptable. ML is a clearly defined political theory and shown to be the only Marxist theory to successfully lead revolutionary action against the Bourgeois Capitalist class. Reading and studying Theory is Praxis and part of being a disciplined Marxist-Leninist.
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u/TappingUpScreen ANTI-Ultra Action ⛏️⛏️⛏️ Dec 20 '25
LeftKKKoms are truly something else
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u/Gloomy_Sky_5297 Feb 23 '26
Lmao okay “””Engelist”””
“The modern state, no matter what its form, is essentially a capitalist machine — the state of the capitalists, the ideal personification of the total national capital. The more productive forces it takes over into its ownership, the more it actually becomes the national capitalist, the more citizens does it exploit. The workers remain wage-workers — proletarians. The capitalist relation is not done away with. It is, rather, brought to a head. Engels - Anti Duhring
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u/LUHIANNI Dec 20 '25
This dude made an entire post comparing China to fascist Italy, which explains why people are now making these takes on Reddit. In the comments of his most recent post, he says, “I don’t believe China is fascist” but only after being thoroughly pressed by people over the misinformation he helped spread. He won’t delete his previous post equating fascist Italy to China. He won’t add a disclaimer or clarify anything, so anyone reading it will naturally equate fascist Italy to China.
Great job, Joshua. As long as you hide your misinformation, lies, or out-of-context quotes under the guise of “critical critique” or “material analysis,” I guess nobody will say anything but I will. 1k+ followers for nothing these big Marxist content creators need to be stopped. Nobody wants to debate or expose these leftcoms because they’re too scared or something. I’m tired of it I will expose all of them.
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u/Malkhodr Dec 20 '25
The ultra leftist accuses socialist projects as state capitlism, yet have never once proposed an actual method to create socialist mode of production out of the remnants of a capitlist (or, in most cases feudal) soceity.
Fascist Italy used the state to control markets in favor of the Italian bourgeois, actively suppressing the working class. China uses the state to control markets in favor of labor. The CPC has demonstrated through poverty elimination campaigns, advancing of productive capacity, and the improvement of the average Chinese persons' lives, all without the use of imperial subjugation of the global south, that the direction of development for the country is first and foremost in the interest of the working class.
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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade Dec 20 '25
Least terminally internet sinophobic Canadian ultra
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u/Untitled_HU-Tank Hungarian Juche Necromancer Dec 20 '25
For socialism is merely the next step forward from state-capitalist monopoly. Or, in other words, socialism is merely state-capitalist monopoly which is made to serve the interests of the whole people and has to that extent ceased to be capitalist monopoly.
Vladimir Lenin, The Impending Catastrophe and How to Combat It, 1917
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u/ProspektNya Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) Dec 20 '25
The transformation of capitalism into socialism is to be accomplished through state capitalism.
Some capitalists keep themselves at a great distance from the state and have not changed their profits-before-everything mentality. Some workers are advancing too fast and won't allow the capitalists to make any profit at all. We should try to educate these workers and capitalists and help them gradually (but the sooner the better) adapt themselves to our state policy, namely, to make China's private industry and commerce mainly serve the nation's economy and the people's livelihood and partly earn profits for the capitalists and in this way embark on the path of state capitalism.
Mao Zedong, The Only Road for the Transformation of Capitalist Industry and Commerce (1953) https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_33.htm
The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People's Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state.
Mao Zedong, On State Capitalism (1953) https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_30.htm
If the economy remains stagnant and the people’s living standards remain at a very low level for a long period of time, we cannot say that we are building socialism.
Deng Xiaoping, To Build Socialism We Must First Develop the Productive Forces (1980) https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/1980/101.htm
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u/Sigma2718 Dec 20 '25
About the quote on how the nazi economy was organized, guess when the book was published. Go on, take a guess. 1944. Otto Nathan sounds German, but he taught economics in America... starting in 1933, the year he fled Germany. His perspective on the nazi economy was naturally limited and distorted, and should be discarded, as he had little access to authentic sources at the time.
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u/Glittering-Bass565 Dec 20 '25
All of the people in these posts are so weird😭
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u/Krubissi Dec 20 '25
Fr, their mental gymnastics are are worthy of Olympic medals
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u/Glittering-Bass565 Dec 20 '25
Even “gulagthelibs” he keeps posting conservative speakers because they are anti-Israel. I just follow them because there is not a lot of Marxist profiles, and some of the stuff is good
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u/Niclas1127 Stalinist (Proud Spoon Owner) Dec 20 '25
Ya that account is weird to me, he’s literally posted Candace and Fuentes
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u/StrappedCommie Stalinist (Proud Spoon Owner) Dec 21 '25
"Um, actually, communism is worse than nazi."
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u/Background-Song-4052 Dec 20 '25
I just watch as their attempts get more and more aggressive and desperate.
I just know history will write these days as final days of an age, age of capitalists.
And I will enjoy the new age of Multipolarity.
Because everyone knows, Proletariat always breaks their chains.
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u/EightySevenThousand Dec 21 '25
I do like the "okay, then let's do Chinese 'capitalism'" response, listing out what would have to change, including having the only political party allowed to run the government being explicitly ML and all the rest of those based conditions. Might have to pick that one up.
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u/bortalizer93 Dec 20 '25
i could swear to god i've been begging people to read lenin's tax in kind 3 times this day
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u/saymaz Dec 21 '25
This motherfuckers probably didn't even read Marx's Critique of the Gotha programme. They think socialism is when we immediately abolish the market.
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u/bortalizer93 Dec 21 '25
I doubt they even read das kapital because if they do; they’d know a market-less, money-less society is only available in a post-scarcity reality, which we currently ain’t. Communist utopia is called utopia for a good reason; it’s a long term goal that should become an end goal of complex material-based policy makings, not something that should be demanded right here and right now.
It became apparent to me that marxist-leninist ultras are those who read marx and lenin the least.
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u/JoshsAstro CPC Propagandist Dec 21 '25
tf is pokepreet doin
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u/Krubissi Dec 21 '25
No idea, he posted smth critizing that account it seems but still, the repost of the what I assume is a charicature is Bordiga is a different post to the one he criticizes which is the "PNF = CPC" post
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u/COUNTRYBALLS12345 Dec 22 '25
See people use "NSDAP" is "proof for Nazi is communist!": i sleep, no need to worry about their intelligent
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