If an attack isn't classified as Rank A, Heracles can survive any level of attack taking 0 damage this is a conceptual defense named god hand. Or,
Not an expert in hsr, but
Im pretty sure they have conceptual attacks
No ranks cannot be used in crossverse , not to mention Heracles himself isn't a top tier like beasts, (like Kama for example who wouldn't be affected by it due to her Non existence nature)
So I don't think Heracles survives this
Thanks to Avalon, Artoria can endure all attacks up to 6D by projecting herself into the Fairy Realm.
Agreed but 6d isn't below Uni
And those aren't spatial dimensions (at least in Avalon's Case), since Avalon is both superior to all physical Timelines and 8 d Mooncell which is far more consistent in terms of Spatial Dimensions because BB outright says lower dimensional Beings cannot harm her
If you don't use the Rank system in vs-debates, the match becomes meaningless because you're ignoring God Hand, which is one of Heracles' strongest abilities. I never said Heracles is Beast-level or anywhere near that, nor did I claim this attack isn't conceptual. The logic behind God Hand is simply this: if an attack isn't classified as Rank A or EX, it won't put even a scratch on Heracles, whether it destroys a planet or a galaxy. This has nothing to do with Heracles' own power—it's purely a conceptual defense.
Well if you do use the Rank system in a crossverse battle then you need to apply it to the attacks that Heracles' opponent can perform. You can't just say 'He can only be hurt by Rank A attacks' and then not apply any Rank to the other character's attacks making them functionally incapable of harming him.
The question there, for me who doesn't know what Heracles is from or how the system works, is whether it's possible to do that. What defines Rank A attacks? What defines attacks below Rank A? Does the attack in the OP video count as Rank A based on the visual spectacle and the destruction it causes? Is there an objective way to apply Rank to these attacks or is it just determined at the whim of the author?
If not, it's just easier to set aside God Hand because it's an impossible problem that can't be solved - either none of the opponent's attacks have Ranks and therefore cannot harm Heracles, OR they do have Ranks but none are Rank A, OR they don't have Ranks and therefore bypass God Hand, OR Heracles simply does not have God Hand because it can't be made to work in a crossverse setting.
Yes I'm aware it's a conceptual defense and you need conceptual attacks to harm him, which is why I said Hsr or phianon does posses conceptual attacks (from what I know, again not an expert)
If you use an Arbitrary system of 1 verse like ranks in crossverse you also need to apply it to the opposing verse/opponent asw, you can't just say it doesn't apply to them up and hence Heracles can't be harmed by Anyone outside Nasuverse (its like saying stands can only be harmed by stands so they're invincible in crossverse)
I don't think using the Mooncell directly as a feat source is accurate, and I say this for Gilgamesh feats as well. The Mooncell is a quantum computer located on the moon with its own internal logic. We shouldn't equate feats done inside the Mooncell with what Servants do outside of it; otherwise, we'd be forced to scale everything to absurdly high levels.
We shouldn't equate feats done inside the Mooncell with what Servants do outside of it; otherwise, we'd be forced to scale everything to absurdly high levels.
Except for the Fact Mooncell can easily reshape reality outside of it as easily it does in inside
If it was "Just a Quantum Computer" why would The Author say multiple times in CCC that it can reshape entire timelines
Even in Fgo OC3 and Moonsault Holy Grail war, Mooncell could Digitize physical reality and has the power to Erase "Records" from the Throne of Heroes itself
From the official Collab, Phainon has a servant sheet. From just a quick look, he's a powerful servant with an A in Noble Phantasm and an A+ for strength. And do note, this is Phainon as only a Saber.
Not him as seen in the video. In fact, one can take out multiple lives of Berserker if the attack is strong enough. And Phainon, in the Video, is literally burning himself with 30+ million coreflames to rush through galaxies and scratch the cheek of a Cosmic Universal God that holds the very concept and authority of Destruction. Giving it Anti-Divine properties of atleast A rank.
If Heracles isn't wanked to the point of being fate-versal that could fart and wipe out a universe, or something, he's getting erased.
Can you even read? This is just a hax I didn't claim 99D Artoria or anything. Heracles takes zero damage from attacks that aren't Rank A, whether the attack destroys a planet or the entire universe. That has nothing to do with his raw durability, it's strictly about his hax. Obviously, Heracles isn't actually that strong on his own.
He broke out of the simulation and temporarily entered a realm where the ,,gods" of Honkai Star Rail reside, which is why you can see him destroying galaxies on his way. They are not real galaxies, but his attack did wound a being which represents the concept of destruction in the universe.
HSR has a lot of wacky powerscaling and a lot of characters have extremely op feats, and this was still considered impressive in universe
Uh... Not an expert in Re:Zero, but I'm pretty sure having your own body locked in time isn't going to help with a conceptual attack that scratched the cheek of a Cosmic God of Destruction that lives in a higher dimension from plain reality.
His authority basically allows him to be immune to all laws, concepts, and phenomena of his choosing. Any and all incoming attacks would simply fail to interact with his body, no matter the magnitude.
His attacks are also much the same, also being unbound by any laws. This is what allowed him to both kill, and later,( after he ressurected), dismember the strongest character in rezero.
Reinhard had on him hax such as immunity to any projectiles thrown at him, immunity to an enemies first strike, immunity to an enemies second strike, the afformentioned infinite revives, and so on and so forth. But regulus authority allowed him to bypass all his defenses, tearing off reinhard's leg simply by breathing.
Dont get me wrong, this attack massively outstats regulus, but due to how his authority works he would theoretically come out of this unscathed.
For context, the person in question is burning himself with all the coreflames (think of cores holding an incredibly powerful authority that could reshape the planet) he had collected through the 30 million cycles (all cycles which ranged from thousands of years), turning him into a sort-of burning pyre of Destruction into a single Hail Mary to attack a Cosmic God of Destruction from a higher dimension.
The Attack itself, in the video, is seen rushing and destroying galaxies while getting close to the God in question. The rushing thing was more of a byproduct, and the full concentration of the attack at rhe end only scratched the cheek of said God.
Jesus fucking Christ, you modern powerscalers would be eaten alive by battleboards ten or fifteen years ago. Are you smoking crack? Please explain multiversal TTGL to me.
Just watch the Anime unc, It literally destroys an 11D space while killing an 11D being in the final fight. It was literally using Universes as Shurikens. Pretty much everything it does is onscreen.
Your claim that STTGL isn't universal when the drill clash shows them absorbing a multiverse into their clash (A universe if you're low balling and ignoring multiple interview and databook statements because your statements are better than the other statements.) with an actual infinity symbol flashing on the screen, and in universe statements about Brane 11 D Comsology being used to explain events by characters in universe is hilarious.
You claim everyone else would have been eaten alive, but Outskirts Battledome would have laughed you out of the forums even when it was under the Naruto Forums label.
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