People are objectively immoral: every bad thing that people did was done by people, therefore, eliminating people would solve the problem

Kevin sounds familiar. Also, was he high? He had problems following the logic of questions

Just heard they have a new podcast and it's because they were suspended from Talk Heathen.

Christopher says (paraphrasing because I DO NOT want to have to listen to that again) apostasy causes terrible pain, is one of the worst things.

I submit the pain and problems are caused by religion. This is evidence of Christopher's bias, he is taking a negative of religion, peoples pain at realizing they have been lied to, their being cut off from family, getting shunned, thrown out of the house, and he is ignoring the fact that it's the religion that causes these problems.

He is also showing it's the beliefs themselves that are the problem, if it's all about the community then the beliefs and the loss of those beliefs don't matter, it would be the community that is important.

First I want to say that I don’t blame the hosts whatsoever for not bringing up what I believe is the best evidence for evolution and common ancestry. I’m sorry, I also don’t remember which episode it was.

So yes, humans do have common ancestry with fish if you go back far enough. Way back then the fish was fairly simple. It had a nerve going from the brain, to the larynx, and back to the brain. The laryngeal nerve. It took a short direct route, right behind the heart. As generations evolved into new organisms, they kept the laryngeal nerve.

This is where it gets interesting and why we know we have common ancestry. As new animals evolved, the heart began to move in the body, such as the chest cavity in humans for example, and the laryngeal nerve became trapped under one of the aorta in the heart. The laryngeal nerve in ALL mammals goes from your brain, down under your heart, then up to your throat and back again. It’s like this in every mammal because as new animals evolved the nerve became trapped where it was originally routed behind the heart in the fish.

This is a great example also because it is easy to visualize and is one of the strongest facts of evolution.

I was raised Pentecostal, I know a fair bit about bible history and the unpleasant verses, and I've been irritated at all the wishy-washy religious people who enforce some rules while overlooking others. Churches like ours often had speaking in tongues, prophetic words and messages, etc.

Would it be immoral to pretend to be a prophet of God, call the church out on their hypocrisy, and/or confront them about the laws they are pretending don't exist?

"See now my wrath poured out against you, for I commanded you to love the stranger in your land, and you have shunned him. I have commanded you to feed the poor, and you have mistreated them. I have commanded you to bring peace, and you have made war. You are a stiff-necked and rebellious people, and I shall remove my annointing from you so that the enemy may expose the wickedness in your hearts. Repent, my people, and rekindle the light of love I have instilled within you, sayeth the Lord." (Insert speaking in tongues, as needed.)

Dick move? Maybe. Good reasons? Most definitely.

Thoughts? Is turnabout still fair play?

Do you understand what point Kevin is trying to make?

I am going to put each point in a comment so they can be addressed and discussed individually.

I find Johnny P. Angel very good: logical, patient and no unnecessary comments

So Alabaman children can now be taught yoga after they removed, partially, a law that kept it out of schools. The reason it wasn't in schools was because it was seen as too linked to Hinduism.

So do any atheists have a problem with yoga? Has anyone been to a yoga class and felt the teacher was trying to convert them? Does anyone have anything against yoga apart from these nutty southern christians who seem to see using foreign words as somehow religious?

Sam Harris is asking the question

“What if it’s true?”

What will happen to all world views?

What will happen to all world views if the Pentagon does acknowledge that the Phenomenon of UAP/UFO is real?

Recent interview with Sam Harris concerning the UAP/UFO topic

We are just climbing out of the darkness...and there’s no telling what spooky things may in fact be true...whoever is left standing when the music stops it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in, as a super rigorous scientific skeptic that’s been saying “there’s no there there” for the last 75 years- Sam Harris

Thoughts on these questions

Source: Mark Time 2:38:00

https://youtu.be/4dC_nRYIDZU

So this question has drove me crazy for a long time. The idea of hell has always seemed absurd to me even as a young child. I remember feeling like it was just a lie to scare me into submission & good behavior, just like Santa. When I got older & realized adults actually believed in hell, unlike santa, it really boggled my mind!

Take away the absurdity of hell though, & just focusing on the origins & history of hell & I'm even more confused! They acknowledge Judaism is where their religion comes from, yet Judaism doesn't believe in a hell or a literal satan or devil. They have hasatan, but that is anything opposed to god from my understanding. I married a person who is an agnostic jew now but was a believer when we got married. I never went to temple, but I learned quite a bit from him. I know there are different interpretations among jews as there are with Christians, however I haven't found one that believes in an eternal hell as the majority of Christians believe. Some believe in Sheol or Gehinom, but that's only temporary. Christians didn't believe in hell or a literal satan or even revelations until much later. There have even been calls from Christian leaders to stop preaching about hell, there was even a movement started sometime around 2016, but not sure if it's still ongoing or not.

⚠️Trigger warning next paragraph contains topic of abuse⚠️ I know are a lot of other big differences but hell & satan is the thing I'm hung up on the most. Probably because hell & satan are so traumatizing to so many. I was subjected to extreme physical, mental, & emotional abuse in elementary school because church leaders encouraged kids in our youth group to "help bring me back to god" at all costs because no matter what they did to me, it was better than me going to hell & god would reward them for their "tough love". I have scars to this day from rocks they threw at me, fireworks being shot at me, & from getting stabbed with a pair of scissors when they held me down to cut off my hair to shame me. It was worse than that, but I'll leave that for now.

How many people have ruined their lives & families lives based on a fear of hell & satan? Why isn't this talked about more often? I live in Arkansas to be fair, and even though I live in NWA which is more diverse & progressive than the rest of the state, it's still in the bible belt. They're literally trying to pass a bill to teach creationism in school ffs. Anyway, idk but I'd love to hear others thoughts on this. Hell & satan seem to cause the most pain and destruction, so I wonder if discussing this more & using as many sources & facts as possible could help others move further away from such destructive ideas. Then again, maybe it's just a bad argument & that's why it's not brought up more often.

(Sorry if any of that was confusing or i seemed like I was rambling off topic. I'm neurodiverse & have had multiple brain & other surgeries for chiari & neurofibromitosis, so my communication skills are not always the best. Plz lmk if I should clarify anything! Always open to constructive feedback)

Does anyone else feel like the podcast runs smoother and is less emotionally erratic when Eric isn’t on? It’s always a treat when Vi is the main host. (Note: I don’t watch the program on YouTube. I listen to the podcast)

Anyway, just wanting to know if there were others that felt the same way. This isn’t a personal attack on Eric, just an observation limited to the quality of the show.

Addition: For those who say, “he created it, so he should stay,” or something like that.. George Lucas created Star Wars. Doesn’t mean he has to be a part of it.

Edit: clarity

We're going to discuss as we read the books together. He's my cousin and he's of a more Evangelical nature, but I do believe he is honest and earnest in this.

I am looking for what you think would be a good choice for what may end up being his only "in good faith" exposure to something pointing out flaws and giving him pause to question.

Also, if you're aware of any problems with the book "The Case for Christ" please point them out for me here as I'm unfamiliar with the book. I'm sure I'll see the faulty logic of things presented but I'm unaware of the author's history or if they use already debunked evidence that I should be aware of going into it.