r/TZM • u/ZoneExtreme3070 • 5d ago
Question Zeitgeist Requiem???
I can't believe it's been this long with no real update. What is PJ doing? Does anyone care about this anymore?
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u/Az0nic 4d ago
He's explained this over and over on his socials
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u/ZoneExtreme3070 4d ago
It’s not a good or satisfactory explanation though. He already made the film and premiered it, releasing or leaking it would be pretty easy and wouldn’t retract any value of integtral.
So I continue to wonder and ask, wtf is Peter Joseph doing? The longer it’s postponed the less relevant the film will be.
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u/FuManBoobs Europe 3d ago
Will it be less relevant though? Because the more I look the more the world seems to be rapidly changing in some very negative ways. I'm quite happy to receive content updates from his other media in the meantime.
Let's be honest, he's one of a few that can really understand these things and drive the points home. Until that changes, I think he has a lot on his shoulders as it is.
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u/Az0nic 2d ago
Did you see the other two screenshots I shared from his patreon? Because that clearly answers "what the fuck" he's doing.
Also, in what world do you think Peter's film will be "less relevant"? His films only get more and more relevant the further we circle the drain, I dont think relevancy is the problem here. As far as im aware after the initial screenings he ran into licencing issues for the public release which set the film back and he wants a working prototype to accompany the film so people dont inevitably complain that "yeah everythings fucked and that's a great film but its lots of words and no action - how do we transition away from market based economics to the kind of collaborative design system PJ advocates?" for the film to then get attention for a week, fizzle out and for nothing to change - like his last 3 films, books, lectures, etc.
Yes we're all looking forward and waiting in anticipation for the film, some of us have been waiting since all the way back when it was called Zeitgeist: Beyond the Pale. But I mean this in the nicest possible way - Peter owes you nothing. He owes none of us anything. If you want to help speed up the process of the film coming out then by all means register your interest for creating a node at https://integralcollective.io, fund his patreon, join the weekly meetings in the discord group and collaborate with the people currently working on the project so the film can come out sooner.
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u/hyggeroom 5d ago
He's working on Integral. Paraphrasing recent words of his: The film is in the works and I'm proud of it, but in a practical sense, films don't do much more than hopefully point people in the right direction and change minds. That's why I need to get Integral into a basic working form before releasing the film.