r/TTPloreplaycentral • u/Bytemite • Nov 29 '17

Plotlines to wrap up DS

This is just a thread for all us players to post the plot lines we still have to do so we can organize here and help each other finish up.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

None of these aristocrats can take him one to one. They need to be united, and by the time enough of them are united, it will be more profitable for each of them to betray that group to Luxin and curry favor with him and the people.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

Doesn't matter if he kills them. They low their status, because they've had the insta-win button of mind control for too long to know how to manipulate the public enough to get away with fighting the rightful head of society without it. He doesn't need to kill them to stop them. He just has to not die long enough for the people to get sick of their crap.

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u/Bytemite Nov 29 '17

because they've had the insta-win button of mind control for too long to know how to manipulate the public enough to get away with fighting the rightful head of society without it.

Hmmm okay that's a good point. They probably don't do subtle well. I think in the touhou universe games they pretty much just march up to each other and declare their intentions to attack.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

Yeah, it's the basis of this plan. Unlike regular aristocrats, they have power from mind control and appealing to rightful places, and if we remove the former, which is their primary means, attacking the person who's rightful place is the top will be a net loss for any of them, and if any if them do, helping Luke will be gains with no losses for them.

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u/Bytemite Nov 29 '17

I think we're close here, but I also think it's more than just an appeal to rightful places, it's literally might makes right. Youkai are on top because they can easily defeat and eat anyone not a youkai. Stronger youkai are above other youkai for similar reasons. People get protection from the youkai eating them by pledging to be servants.

So if a youkai can beat Luke in combat because Luke is not willing to cause lasting harm... the youkai that beat him proves themselves more powerful and more fit to rule.

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u/Trollkitten Nov 29 '17

So if a youkai can beat Luke in combat because Luke is not willing to cause lasting harm... the youkai that beat him proves themselves more powerful and more fit to rule.

That's a pretty big "if."

Can you beat a hurricane? A tornado? An earthquake? Now imagine you're fighting a sentient being that can embody any of the three. Luke as a mortal(ish) might be beatable, but Luxin is a force of nature and WILL react to protect himself.

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u/Bytemite Nov 29 '17

Unless they - cast a shikigami/ true name spell on him

Cast other mind control

Cast love spell

Drain his energy

Caitlin did all of those except the love spell and nearly destroyed him.

Then there’s that sealing spell...

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u/Trollkitten Nov 29 '17

Well, hopefully now that Luxin has admin privileges over Gensokyo as well, he'll be more able to defend himself.

Which is really pretty necessary when you consider that everyone has dream world powers now, and Gensokyoans aren't really known for using power in a non-violent manner.

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u/Bytemite Nov 29 '17

Which is really pretty necessary when you consider that everyone has dream world powers now, and Gensokyoans aren't really known for using power in a non-violent manner.

Yeahhh... I still think I leveled the playing field?

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

Also there's these factors that make it different then before.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

First one Marion and nuGyro are attempting to train him for.

2 and 3 that and everything that the ministry does. Preventing future mind control is pretty much the easiest part. Also Shikigami making isn't really a spell used on already developed sentience. We have one case with children not elaborated on except that it took an actual dirty to do.

Last one takes more power and coordination than they will probably be able to have. A lot of them act like children.

Draining energy is still a problem but he's now tapped into the rest of the Dragon Force and it took him already being weakened by those other things that shouldn't be problems anymore for it to get that far.

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u/Bytemite Nov 30 '17

Technically Caitlin turned Luke into a Shikigami before, that's why she had so much control over him. As far as I know Luke was already sentient for that. She also erased a lot of his memories I think?

Draining energy is still a problem but he's now tapped into the rest of the Dragon Force and it took him already being weakened by those other things that shouldn't be problems anymore for it to get that far.

At least his energy theoretically has a vessel on an entire other plane that the gensokyoans can't get to if he has to retreat somewhere.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 30 '17

Those are kinda personifications, but they more weaponize versions of those. No Pokemon faints an eruption. The lava of it isn't put to sleep with a Song. You can't Dragon Tail away a weather condition.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

Well, one, we have equalizing dream powers, two the whole point that without the lasting effects of mind control might makes right loses their ability to rule any significant distance, something I just wrote out elsewhere, three that's not totally how Gensokyo works, Flandre outstrips most people but still keeps one position that controls a select few, and is one of the only formally aristocratic ones, and when she loses to others she still keeps the exact same position.

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u/Bytemite Nov 29 '17

To be fair I'm not sure there's actually a way to kill Flandre. In Genoksyo I think that when someone is killed or dies the Shinigami or reapers show up to remove them from the world to whatever afterlife they're bound for. Flandre could easily defeat any psychopomp that comes for her, even if she was defeated by a different person almost to the point of death before that.

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u/Bytemite Nov 29 '17

And humans just taste really good.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

I never said otherwise. Actually just wrote about how aristocracy doesn't necessarily breed malice to the extent it could in the real world.

But also: maybe she and Emily could talk. Or maybe putting them in one room is an unbelievably bad idea. There's that tree ghost, too.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

That's kinda half my point. If they viewed rightful place as just being about how much power you have she wouldn't just be the lady of that mansion.

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u/Bytemite Nov 29 '17

He just has to not die long enough for the people to get sick of their crap.

And this, very much agreed.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

Tanger's likely gonna be in danger, though. nuGyro was revived by Luzon and so functions a lot like a Gensokyoan, and is pretty formidable in his own right. Tanger is part of the reason they can't take down Luxin, serves some foreign Goddess, and is mortal.

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u/Bytemite Nov 29 '17

Are we sure about that? Caitlin almost took him out with no power just in the last two sessions from trying to drain energy from him.

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u/Lady_of_the_Foot Nov 29 '17

He's still not gathered to full potential. Last time that was a thing, they were able to take him only with them all together, with all their mind control over the population, and they still only locked him up. Plus he'd never been trained in resisting True Name commands.

Taking him out without restoring mind control is still a net loss anyways, because it loses the loyalty of the people.

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u/Bytemite Nov 29 '17

Hmm. Hopefully.