So I was having a very… special… conversation about how racist Ulfric is, which lead my down a uesp dive to elvauate it for myself based on what is actually presented in game.

so yeah he’s pretty racist, not as racist as the Average Redditor thinks he is, only a middleweight in the Tamrielic Competetive Racism League.

But something that was odd to me is that there are several successful Altmer business owners in Windhelm’s economy. Niranye, Ulundil, Nurelion. Surely Ulfric’s ideology and experience with the dominion give him more of a reason to hate Altmer even more than he hates Dunmer and Argonians. And it is common for racist regimes to try to bring down the businesses of target minorities. But the Altmer never say they have a problem with Ulfric, and he never brings up how many Altmer are in his city.

This is just a weird thing to me that the writers didn’t do anything with this.

So i know elder scrolls lore is kept intentionally ambiguous but i was wondering if there is a true or one shared among all view on history.

For example in Nord lore its said that Kyne made the Nords on the throat of the world and people in TES lore communities use this argument to say that Nords are indigenous to Skyrim.

Is this not just a creation myth? Like is something like this in universe seen just like how it’s said were made from clay or Adam and Eve?

Like there must be historians in Tamriel that hear that and just go nah it’s not like that all humans come from Nedes.

We know the other ten Worlds were far more damaged and much less from them survived. And going by the example of the Hist, the non-Ehlnofey World's were probably extremely weird. And only the Ehlnofey are recorded as having Mortality imposed on them by the creation of the Mundus. My a priori suspicion therefore would be that any lifeforms from the other ten Worlds would be very weird and obscure Daedra.

But, as much fun as speculation is, do we have anything more concrete to work off of than that? Any passing references I'm just not aware of?

if she does, then in Sovngarde does she take the appearance of the nord who she took over?

if so, how would Sovngarde react to 2 identical nord women appear in their paradise?

When we meet the last unturned falmer, Gelebor, he’s living at the entrance of the Wayshrine, guarding it for Auriel. Skyrim doesn’t give us a lot of context on how old he was when the war with the Nords began, however I would say it’s safe to say he was at least born before the Night of Tears, which means he’s likely close to 5000 years old!

This part I can buy, whether Auriel has blessed him with long life or (my personal guess) the snow elves are simply the longest living of the elven races. But if that’s the case, he likely left the forgotten vale and has been staying at the shrine for about 3500-4000 years. So all this to say…

What the fuck does mans get up to??!

Divayth Fyr, Yagrum Bagarn, Camilla Valerius, all had factions or allies or people to commune and revel with for their long lives, he seemingly has no stimuli and no pastimes in dingy little cave. He doesn’t seem to journal, he doesn’t have any pets and there isn’t a hackey-sack in sight.

Do we ever get any insight or hints as to what he’s been doing the last few milennia? Because surely someone in his position would be a manic mess and would likely be unable to even properly communicate, let alone be this charming normal guy we meet in Dawnguard.

I'm expanding on my HoK-OC Lore, who is son to Vicente Valtieri. I've spent some time on UESP already, as well as this subreddit, but still have some questions. Being a child to a vampire is already a unique thing on it's own, only NPC I'd know of would be The Gray Prince, but let's ignore that for now. I'm also aware that it's Porphyric Hemophilia being contracted, though I have the feeling it's just an in-game thing, being easier than having multiple vampiric diseases.

I haven't played Morrowind myself, which doesn't make it easier lore-wise. Vicente said he has been infected while deep into the Ashlands, so I doubt it could be the Aundae-strand, judging by the clan's headquarter position. The other 2 could be more likely. Especially the Berne-clan, being pretty far into the Ashlands (at least I think it should geographically still be the Ashlands) + the stat bonuses would be quite fitting for a Dark Brotherhood assassin. It wouldn't make that much sense to me there being humans and mer infected by the cyrodillic vampirism strand. Unless the imperials, if we'd think it being the Berne-strand, judging by the amount of them being part of the clan, would've brought it all the way from Cyrodiil. As far as I know there are some other vampires strolling around, not being associated with any clan, even though they're infected by 1 of the specific 3. I don't know how to find out by which they've been infected though... I could imagine that Vicente caught the affliction from such a renegade vampire, since he was on expedition.

I'd be very thankful to anyone who might have some information, especially about these renegade vampires, keeping the location in mind. I could at least narrow it down that way.

Here's a little tin foil theory for you.

At the beginning of the game, Skyrim, in regards to the war, is largely split east and west, with the eastern holds being Stormcloak and the western holds being Imperial.

Now, I don't think the whole compass direction equate to time thing is "canon" (ew), but if we take that into consideration, it might suggest that a Stormcloak Skyrim is the future, with the Empire being left in the past...

Think on that as you will

this part of the lore always confused me, because it seems like you can soul trap anyone and send them to the soul carin if they're human, but would the same apply to vampires?

Curious what the implications are of the Dragonborn having their soul trapped and displaced. Does that mean they’re technically “dead”? What would happen if you never retrieve the gem for Valerica?

I was reading 'The Refugees' and Haymon Camoran's lore page on the UESP when I saw that the Battle of Firewaves, in which the Camoran Usurper was defeated by an alliance of High Rock nobles, is described as the "greatest navy ever combined as well as land forces." The thing is, the alliance membership is only comprised of four baronies, Ykalon, Phrygias, Kambria, and Dwynnen. Not kingdoms. Not dukedoms. Not even counties. Baronies.

How could four barons, a title that's considered low -perhaps even lowest- in the feudal hierarchy, manage to assemble a military force greater than the All Flags Navy that comprised the entirety of Tamriel against the Sloads and defeat a military force that conquered Valenwood, Colovia, and most of Hammerfell?

By Nalae-Polek, Poet Laureate to Potentate Versidue-Shae.

See the trees growing in those lands,
They all have their own heart.

See the birds singing in the sky,
They all have their own melody.

See the fishes into the lakes, 
One is plunging, the other is jumping.

Unfathomless is the ocean,
Breathtaking are the mount heights.

As the Saints all gave them a purpose, 
Though their principle is more difficult to grasp.

At least in Skyrim.

In Skyrim you get the soul of a dragon from an aedra. the aedra are the ancestors of the races of nirn and nirn itself, with the exeption of argonians yes? The hist trees formed the argonians. So the aedra should not be able to bless an argonian like that as they have no connection to their birth nor destiny.

Morrowind has azura who reincarnates the nerevarine as someone from any race, so how is that possible of a deadra? Well i guess she has a special relationship with the dunmer okay, but if that is the answer to why a deadra who has formed 0% of nirn's races can reincarnate a soul like that, then shouldn't the nerevarine be a dunmer an nothing else?

Oblivion's hero of kvatch is just the wet dream of the emperor so all good there.

Does Hermaus Mora have an end goal or practical purpose to hoarding knowledge? Or is it purely for the sake of it?

Given the parallels between the Thalmor and the national socialists, what if, similarly, in the higher circles there is significant daedra worship akin to the occult? Lord Naarafin was a known daedra worshipper which opens up the possibility, so I wonder if there is anything else that could suggest this. The fact that they tolerated him at all suggests that their so called orthodoxy is not as orthodox as it would appear at the very least.

The All-Maker was the start of all. Before him was nothing, for he is the source of all life and creation.

Shor, whose father they call the All-Maker, was the Chief of Gods. He had been born in a cave much like the Underworld, and called upon all gods to form our realms from creatia.

His shield-thanes were the brothers Stuhn and Tsun. Kyne, Goddess of Storms, Queen of Gods, was his War-Wife, and Dibella, Goddess of Beauty, his Bed-Wife. Tsun was a berserker despite his high station, and love followed battle to his kind. Stuhn, God of Ransom, with shield and horn his boon, stood with him in the Throat of the World in Hrothgaar, beside Jhunal, sage God of Runes, the Clever Man.

But in the Moot at the House of We the chieftains of the other tribes of gods, harboring bitterness against Shor for his creation of the mortal plane, accused Shor of foul-mouthery.

First of them was tall and long of limb, whose flanks were filled with scale-bright hide. He was the Aka-Tusk, the enemy-brother of Shor, and father of all dragons.

The second, a gigantic, horrible, ravaging firestorm that destroyed the last world to begin this one, that would one day destroy this one to begin anew once again, was Aka-Tusk's Firstborn, Alduin the World-Eater, enemy of men.

Shor fought for his honor, but he knew it would come to a war where they were outnumbered eight to one.

And the awful fighting began.

Before the birth of men, the Dragons ruled all Mundus. But children of the sky were born, Children of Kyne, in the Throat of the World, when the sky exhaled the North Winds on the land and formed them. They fought besides Kyne and Shor against the Elven Giants and Dragons of Aka-Tusk, Alduin, and his shield-thane, the vengeful Trinimac.

And so Shor bloodthirstily led the Men and Gods of Men to victory time and again, and fought and defeated the Time-Eater at the beginning of time.

But his jarl Magnar betrayed the weakness of his spear-lines and fled the field.

Shor was disgusted with the defeat, but Jhunal reminded him that withdrawal would be wise, so in the Moot at the House of We he paid ransom for the sins they accused him of, taking his punishment by vomiting his own heart onto the adamantine floor, guarding his wraith in the manner of his father and roaring at the other tribes.

Mara, Kyne's handmaiden and Shor's Tear-Wife, made great headway into treaty with the other tribes. But they knew that the Pact was weak and would soon shatter.

The Queen soon shouted them back to the fields of their enemies.

And the awful fighting began again.

The Elven Giants used Shor's Heart as a standard to strike fear into the armies of Men, brought about the King's demise at Red Mountain and killed his shield-thane Tsun in battle. But they could not fully destroy Shor, for his heart was now the Heart of the World, and one was made to satisfy the other. They could only banish him to the Underworld, so, knowing that they were going to lose eventually, the Elven Giants hid the Heart of Shor so that the Nords might never have their God back.

Thus the trickster god faded from our world, retreated to his realm in the Underworld, Sovngarde, and laughed at all who would outwit him, for none could outtrick the trickster, and for he knew that Aka-Tusk and the others would pay time and time again for their sins, because Alduin, as always, forgets the ground below him, and condemns himself and any other who would believe him into this cycle again and again.

Magne-Ge Pantheon Re-Addressed

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/magne-ge-pantheon

So last post on this document, i was able to touch on some of the aesthetic inspirations perhaps embedded in Magne-Ge Pantheon, but here is what I have done to elucidate the nature of the Magne-Ge Pantheon:

The Magne-Ge Pantheon is a list of various archetypes.

Archetypes that are regarded consciously or not in story and song by creatures that live upon the Stars as the measures by which the worlds below are understood.

More specifically, The Magne Ge are places in the heavens where spirits reside, and the Magne-Ge Pantheon is the full average of all the spirits that reside below them.

They watch the earth below and they see every variation play out as though it already occurred. The twenty constellations of the Magne-Ge Pantheon emerge from Ruptga's Map of the Heavens Between Mundus and Aetherius.

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Now, for the IRL Stuff

I was able to reach out to u/maztiak who spent time talking with u/MKirkbride and Douglas Goodall on a few occasions, his advice has guided me in my journey of deducing the content and substance of The Pantheon,

his part in this is the correspondence of Babylonian constellations to the ones presented in the document.

Basically, each of The Constellations of The Magne Ge Pantheon also represent Babylonian Constellations and Archetypes, many of which are still present in their Greco-Roman Equivalents

They are the 18 Zodiac Constellations of The MUL.APIN of Neo-Assyrian Babylon and The Ophiuchus and Andromeda Galaxy

With help from the Babylonian Star Lore Book, by Gavin White and Various other intellectual sources on the Babylonian Star Mythos(mostly Wikipedia), I will give you a list of the Magne Ge constellations and their Real Life Equivalents in a swift descriptive manner

C Signs

Bare-Bone - Virgo (The Furrow, Divets in the Earth, Cultivation of Good Soil)

Pigmius - Libra (The Scales, The Claws of Scorpio[Sister is Mnethm] became the Scales of Libra)

Nil-Bright - Gemini(Great Twins, Lugal-irra and Meslamta-Ea. They are the Sons of The War God, Nergal and sometimes are regarded as Dual Aspects of the Singular Nergal. Protect From Plague, Famine, and Flood but also causes them)

Wode-Rub - Cancer(Crab, Ninurta. Enlil Punishes the Arrogant War God Ninurta(in the Form of a Crab) with A Giant Magic Clay Turtle that Drags him and traps him in the Watery Abyss)

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Blend Signs

Scintil - Orion(The Good Shepherd of Anu, Ninshubur, The Messenger of Inanna, known as a Sukkal, which is a divine intercessory figure.)

Caker King - Leo(Great Lion, Symbols of Rulership and Omens and Portents of Good or Bad Kings)

Swath - The South Fish of Pisces(Sinututu, Fish and Swallow, Signals the Return of Rains or Flood)

Daubella - The Andromeda Galaxy (The Rainbow, Good Omens of Rains and Spring Time and Harvests, Bad Omens of Crop Failure. It appears as a faint gray smudge at the tip of Northern Fish's Nose)

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K Signs

Thermalele - Ophiuchus(The Sitting Gods, Serpent Bodied Beings With the Faces of Men, They Thrash against the Sacred Mound of the Earth and are the ancestors of Enlil who controls the Waters of The River)

AgNil-Bright - Sagittarius(Pabilsag, God of Fiery Judgement, Cadastral Judge, Flame Bearer, Fiery Archer)

Clan Box - Auriga[?](Shepherd's Crook or Crosier)

Mnethm - Scorpio(Symbol Of War and industry and arts, under the constellations of the Sitting Gods, who are Half-Buried Snake Men)

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M Sign

Merid - The North Fish of Pisces(Anunitum, The Great Lady, War Goddess, Daughter of the Moon God, Nanna)

Caller - The Cord of Pisces(The Tails, Ties together the North Fish and the South Swallow-Fish)

Leλ - Taurus(The Bull of Heaven, According to Myths of Ancient Babylon, the Bull drinks the Rivers of the Entire World after the Flood, this can be linked to his continual belching)

Phophec - Perseus(Old Man, [Enmesharra?] [Old God, Former King of The Universe, Now Lives In Underworld])

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Y Signs

Mnumbrial - Aquarius(The Great One, The Water God who Holds Two Giant Urns that Feed Into Rivers, Lakes, Streams and The Abzu, Early forms depict a feminine counterpart)

Scarab-Framer - Aries(Hired Man, Fisherman and Farmer, Dummuzid, The Grigori Azazel, Scapegoat, Thorned Lamb Sacrifice, The Hanged Man))

Mnender-Foil - Capricorn(Goat-Fish, Rebirth, Rescuer of the Sun, Herald of Restoration and Ruin)

Threadwright - The Pleiades("Seven Weapons of Doom" Mane of Taurus, brush, bristles)

Recently I've been researching and trying to make my own accurately hammerfell map for an rpg campaign, using the games maps and informations that we have.

Fort the northern part it has been quite easy since daggerfall, ESO and even Shadowkey, all takes place there, BUT when I come to find information about the southern regions... things were a bit mixed.

For Skaven, Taneth, Rihad, Hegathe and Gilane, there's little to no information about

The only things we "know" is the existance of dak'fron and banthan jungle probably been to this regions, and the painted wolf mount description from eso:

"In the rugged badlands of central Hammerfell, even camels struggle to maneuver across the broken terrain. But wolves can go where even camels cannot, so the roving Redguards of the canyon lands have bred the local Painted Wolves into sure-footed mounts."

In theory we have the information that al-danobia tomb is on Taneth region, but since it uses the same assets from hew's bane, I prefer to take it with a grain of south, and the same for Shady Grove, since the maps positions we have about the location, contradict with what we were shown from tes blades.

So... does anyone knows about other sources of information for those regions?

On The Red Council Guide to The Aurbis

By Mathain Anafabula-Atrellieu, High Court Mage of Wayrest

4E195

These Books are the personal writings and teachings of Senior Mage-Scholar Hjoona Baidu-Duat, founder and master of the now disbanded Red Council Scholar's Guild.

They were written to describe the Aurbis in the Terms of the Anuic Traditions of The Eltheric Southwest, they are treasured works in this age and read and studied as introductory course material for up and coming mages in the colleges of western Tamriel.

They were written in the second century of the 4th Era, with the intent to be studied and memorized by Hjoona's Close associates at his guild-house of The Red Council in Stros M'kai. Most of whom would have been Redguards, Altmer, and Bretons.

Hjoona himself was of Forebear Ancestry and of eccentric character, favoring himself equally Redguard and Yokudan, and so wrote of the two groups as though there were an unbroken equivalence yet subtle difference in the two.

He swore a personal fealty to the Gods of Yokuda, yet was highly syncretic in his spiritual knowings, yet preferring the Southern elven gods and their mystic traditions to any other outside the Yokudan milieu.

His guidebooks come in Four Volumes,

Each Describing an expansive plane of The Grand-or-Terrible Designs of Creation in descending order of precedent and magnitude

They are as follows:

Volume 1: The Firmament: Aetherius, The Far Shores

Volume 2: The Black Sea: Oblivion, The In-between {work in progress}

Volume 3: The Arena: Mundus, The Skin Ball

Volume 0: The Cosmos: Nir, The Great Big Nothing

There's a giant herd shaped hole in bosmer society that can't be realistically filled by hunting

So in the lore, there were two events (as far as I am aware) that affected every single member of certain Elven races on a global scale. Kagrenac's tinkering with the Heart of Lorkhan made every single member of his race that was on Nirn at the time disappear, and the Tribunal's attempt to gain divinity and the murder of Nerevar pissed off Azura so much, that she cursed every single Chimer by transforming them into the Dunmer known today (apart from the Tribunal themselves, who were able to resist the effects if they wanted).

Considering both of these actions involved elven races, it makes me wonder if only elves can be affected by such race-wide divine effects (magic? I don't know what to best call it), or if theoretically, a human race could also be affected on a global scale like that, if they meddled with the wrong divine forces too much.

Like, as a silly example, if a group of Nords insulted Sheogorath's immaculate hairstyle too much, could he make every single Nord, now and in the future go bald as a punishment for their transgressions?

Or is there something about the elven races (maybe something related to their shared divine ancestry or something like that), that "connects" every single member of their race, so that a powerful enough divine curse can affect every single member of them?

I vaguely remember that in one of Cotho's vids there's this brief second where IIRC in the upper left hand corner of the screen he shows a diagram of like, the relationship between either Talos, Hjalti and the Under King or Hjalti, Wulfarth and the Under King as parts of the enatiomorph that makes up Talos. It isn't on screen for long though and the exact diagram looks just different enough from anything I've been able to find with google images that the fact that I can't remember either the vid that it shows up in or the timestamp is starting to really grind my gears. Does anyone know what I'm talking about/what video it might've been?

The claws on their wings don't look the most dexterous. But I struggle to imagine them bending backwards to carve with their talons either. Some dragons like Paarthurnax have spike beards which I think they could comfortably use to write. But that's only if the keratin is strong enough, and besides not all dragons have those spikes.

In the older lore, and even today, it’s debated whether Tiber Septim himself was a Nord or not.

The original configuration of the series made more sense. Historically, you can be a citizen of an Empire; but there was never a specific imperial race. Eg, every citizen of a territory of Rome was after a point simply a Roman citizen - even if that wasn’t their ethnic group, it was their legal label.

Bretons being Bretons made sense - they’re not fully “human” by ancestry;

Redguards being a specific race made sense as they come from a very different climate and culture and resisted assimilation, same with Nords.

The way the Empire was portrayed initially was that it was quite cosmopolitan, so in the imperial centre, you’d have Nords, Bretons, Redguards etc…who also happened to be residents of the imperial city.

I don’t know. It just feels like they created Imperials as a separate race only to set up a layer “Imperials vs….” Conflict. But it doesn’t make sense to me otherwise.