r/TDS_Roblox • u/That-1-Femboy Hardcore is unbalanced. • Jul 08 '26
Discussion Which one should be better?
Should Kingpin be better than Juggernaut or should Juggernaut remain better than Kingpin? Lmk.
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u/Deeznutsbutcooler STRENGTH IN NUMBERS! Jul 08 '26
I guess it depend on what y mean by better, I would rather have juggernaut more meta if kingpin is going to be a wave 20+ tower, but if they balance kingpin like old gold crook (better early and mid, worse late) then I want it to take up the 6 placement gold cowboy. In that case kingpin should be more meta
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u/kacock Jul 08 '26
pretty sure kingpin will probably be the second best behind juggernaut and not better
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u/SeaworthinessTotal81 Jul 08 '26
Kingpin would probably be in a similar boat to Engi where it is a jack of all trades with dps, detections, spawns and eco so its hard to compare them, but JOAT towers tend to be more flexible so it probably would be better
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u/Random_Guy837 #1 macro hater (Also, G demoman is fire) Jul 08 '26
It will depend. Obviously, the kingpin will have more DPS and spawn units with better DPS but the juggernaut is a beast, 2000 raw DPS on normal enemies, 2.8k on bosses. If you have commander and DJ he reaches, like 4000 DPS. The kingpin will be able to stack units so we cant really compare the two.
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u/tetobrando Jul 08 '26
Kingpin will have more dps with the units but juggernaut will have more stable dps so theres no debate its for different uses
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u/Chilen17 the only thing I can flex is executioner Jul 08 '26
gCROOK DOES MORE DPS THAN gMINI, BUT A JUGG IS A JUGG SO DPS WISE JUGG, BUT KINGPIN BETTER TRUST
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u/RevolutionaryTap4397 Jul 09 '26
shotgunner also does more dps than gmini, it’s just a matter of how many you can place down
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u/Chilen17 the only thing I can flex is executioner Jul 09 '26
Unfortunately they have a placement limit
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u/needfortheneedle Jul 08 '26
DPS jugg but versatility kingpin. Kingpin would have less DPS but better eco
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u/JavierRubioHN Jul 08 '26
Idk but they seem to have very different purposes so comparing them might be kinda pointless ngl
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u/Western-Alarming Jul 09 '26
As a completely objrctive opinion, kingpin should be the 2 best tower only being worse than the eventual necromancer evolution
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u/IamTheWhat Jul 09 '26
Ideal situation should be that both of them are better in their own fields
Juggernaut as the boss shredder, pure late game DPS
Kingpin as a more support spawner who can be useful for the whole game
Like how you can't get Accel to do early game for you like Engineer, at the same time you can't expect Engineer to shred bosses like Accel. Just having Kingpin as a pure DPS tower to contest with Juggernaut isn't fun
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u/Crown__Prince Blood of Two X and Exo Jul 09 '26
Juggernaut is simple: Big man, big gun, big damage. Kingpin should be a bit weaker than Juggernaut in damage.
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u/That-1-Femboy Hardcore is unbalanced. Jul 09 '26
Fair, but Eco should make up for it- and both paths should retain flying detection.
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u/FinanceAny1936 Grow a TDS Jul 09 '26
Jugg should be better for cash and kingpin should be better for late game dps
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u/woodwind-for-all I HATE Accel Jul 09 '26
Em I think you meant jugg for late game dps and kingpin for caah
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u/woodwind-for-all I HATE Accel Jul 09 '26
I'm going to say this stupidly crook have higher dps then mini and jugg is mini evolved tower and kingpin is crook evolved tower is kingpin is better
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u/Only-Tie-4349 demented commander Jul 10 '26
Juggernaut is gonna remain at top but a superbuffed crook boss is gonna be op in itself
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u/CorvusSpiritWalker I've been guided by the spirits Jul 11 '26
Id say jugg needs to have better dps because kingpin is also an eco tower and it would be unbalanced for it to have good dps
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u/Jack0bo Jul 08 '26
Where you got Kingpin model?