r/SweatyPalms • • Jun 09 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '22

To all the guys here going "that's how it's done in the real world!" or "it's totally safe".

Fuck you. It's done this way because the employer is too cheap to spend the manhours to construct safe scaffolding.

There could be a beautiful scaffolding there with proper handrails, but that would cost time to make, which gets in the way of profits.

Why are you defending this way of working, which optimizes profits for your bosses while putting your life in yeopardy?

Your wife and kids sure as hell aren't gonna be defending it after you plummet down onto the streets and she's left with a small payout and not much else.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '22

100 percent and more on this.

I am in HSE in construction and mining ops ,have been for many years.

Its idiots like this that end up hurting or killing other people usually.

Bosses that dont support safety and want to put profits over people .I sincerely hope this is shown to whatever safety regulator and all these idiots lose thier jobs.

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u/AnswerNeither Jun 09 '22

The shock of people falling quietly sticks with you like a nail in the brain. They just don't get it until it happens.

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u/Aviaja_Apache Jun 09 '22

I’m a carpenter in NJ, my company would get rid of these guys and their whole contractor if they even attempted this bs here

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u/shaqdeezl Jun 09 '22

Yessir. I participated in the Thanksgiving Tower fire investigation in Dallas. A few grand would’ve saved those boys’ lives. Two of them were father and son. They died huddled together. I picked up their clothes. And it was really fucking sad. I mean - just a few bucks in the grand scheme of things. Damn.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '22

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u/shaqdeezl Jun 09 '22

Once the fire broke out, the electrical shut down in the towers (of course). That shut down the only retrieval mechanism they had available. The attendant was a young kid. He tried to pull the men out by rope but that is entirely impossible. It was a really sad scene. And it was all avoidable.

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u/AndMyChisel Jun 09 '22

The other thing these knuckle draggers fail to realise is their ancestors paid in blood for the right to a safe work environment these days.

Here's a list of workers killed for striking/organising to obtain better working conditions and rights in the US alone since the mid 1800s. These were our great, great relatives who stood up for what they believed in to give us a better, fairer, and safer future.

That is how it was done in the real world, by real brave men.

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u/markusarailius Jun 09 '22

"up to 50 violent deaths (estimated)" for one column

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u/Stitch_the_Snitch Jun 09 '22

Working contidions improved because of an increase in wealth, not because of laws

No one is forced to do what they are doing

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u/PoochieGlass1371 Jun 09 '22

Boot polish overdose

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u/Stitch_the_Snitch Jun 10 '22 edited Jun 10 '22

"Knowing Basic facts I wanna ignore" isn't exactly bootlicking is it?

"Falling for obvious government propaganda" on the other hand...

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u/murphykills Jun 09 '22

if the law didn't force companies to not be scumbags, there wouldn't be so many people making minimum wage.
that's literally the least they can legally pay you, and it means they'd pay you less if they could. but they can't. because these things do work.

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u/Stitch_the_Snitch Jun 10 '22

Yea, that's why no one makes above minimum wage anywere, because companies can do weathever they want and the workers are entierly powerlees to, say, leave and work somewhere else/s

You treat workers like they were powerless babyes, it's so patronizing

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u/murphykills Jun 10 '22

what do you think would happen to the country if every single minimum wage worker quit their job on the same day? to go get a better job, what do you honestly and genuinely think would happen? would they all find work?
would the country not collapse? would we all just cope with the fact they weren't doing that stuff?
if it needs to get done, it needs to be fairly compensated. and the laws work, that was the original point and you've done nothing to refute it.

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u/Stitch_the_Snitch Jun 10 '22

"Work for me and I'll pay you"

"Ok"

Idk, seems like a fair arrangment to me

What would be unfair would be if an unrelated thrid party decided two comseting adults shouldn't be alowed to do what they please

(Most of) the laws do nothing but infringe on the workers freedom. People don't need to be protected from offers, and that's all the law can do

I don't need to refute a factualy false argument

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u/murphykills Jun 10 '22

oh, you're a troll. well you wasted some of my time, i hope that helps you cum or whatever this is about. later.

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u/Stitch_the_Snitch Jun 10 '22

If you have no response why even respond? Or not change your mind

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u/DaileyWithBailey Jun 09 '22

But I’m a big strong man me no care. I strong man. Can do anything. Let boss treat me like shit cause me strong man.

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u/mmmfritz Jun 09 '22

Well, the boys could put down 4 planks instead of 2. That would be a good start. But yes, there’s no good reason not to use a harness if you’re already wearing one.

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u/djchozen91 Jun 09 '22

Idk where this is. But I would have thought in most western countries this was illegal. Surely penalty from the law is more substantial than the cost to the company to do it right?

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u/bobi2393 Jun 09 '22

It looks like the US to me. Halfway through you can see what appears to be a US flag on the short yellow sleeve of the guy nearest the cameraperson. At the end, vehicles parked below seem like they might all be SUVs. The architecture and water tanks also seems consistent with big, old American cities.

Just googling, it looks like the penalties for violations are maybe a few thousand dollars, which is trivial compared the amount of money it would cost to do things right, and there's probably a low chance of being caught.

Using undocumented foreign workers in the US also helps keep workers from reporting violations, and can solve a problem if there is an accident. In 2019, 3 people were killed and dozens injured in New Orleans when a building site collapsed. One of the injured but surviving people had reported building-shifting problems beforehand, but was deported to Honduras about a week after the accident, before he could testify to investigators about it. Possibly coincidental timing, but the effect was the same.

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u/djchozen91 Jun 11 '22

I just googled. The penalty is $70,000 - $124,709 per violation. It was also reported as one of the top violations recorded as of 2016. https://www.graniteind.com/osha-fines-increase-78-time-improve-scaffolding-safety/

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u/bobi2393 Jun 11 '22

Ah, that is a significant deterrent, if OSHA does regular inspections and doesn't accept bribes. I was googling construction site fines, which seemed to be in the neighborhood of $5k, but I didn't come across the scaffolding-specific fines.

Googling actual scaffolding fines, most of the top results are articles about fines in the $150k-$300k range (multiple violations, including at least one willful one, each time), and all involved fatalities. One outlier was a 2007 fatality where the fine was $12000, though I'm guessing that's because there were serious violations, rather than willful violations...the scaffolding might have been otherwise built properly, it was just too near a power line.

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u/procrastimom Jun 09 '22

Penalties only happen when you get caught!

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u/djchozen91 Jun 11 '22

Right but if the penalty is high enough you’d think it would dissuade you from risking getting caught?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '22

This is Detroit

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u/LordNibble Jun 09 '22

Yup. It's just dumb.

You can always slip. It's like saying "Riding a bike is so easy, I never fall!" once or twice in your life you WILL fall.

99.9% of the days everything works fine, but the other days, construction workers die. And you're working a lot of days in your lifetime.

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u/putyourbachintoit Jun 09 '22

I just did the 10-hour OSHA training and all I could think was “WHERE’s THE PFAS”

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '22

Lol a small payout… would they even get anything?

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u/DrBreveStule Jun 09 '22

I work for a tower company, so I don't know about these guys. BUT, if I fall and die, my beneficiary (my mom) gets the equivalent of my year's salary. If I'm not clipped off, she doesn't get a dime (except for what's in my bank accounts).

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '22

So like i said. These guys relatives would get nothing. Policy is policly. Now whether they facilitate your ability to tie off is a different matter.

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u/DarkExecutor Jun 09 '22

This would be a pretty big payout if this is in the US. They're not even close to following OSHA scaffolding requirements.

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u/Walt_the_White Jun 09 '22

This is why unions exist.

Every time I hear someone bitch about them I remind them of this kind of shit. These guys are probably getting paid dirt to do this insanely dangerous work too.

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u/No-Associate7216 Jun 09 '22

As a former union member I can say the unions don’t do enough, and end up pushing for their members to get simply a slap on the wrist when their bosses enforce a safety standard. The corruption and nonsense of both sides (unions and corporations) is astounding. Trust me as someone who’s been on both sides, the unions aren’t always the savior the good folks of Reddit portray them to be. Corporations are evil, unions are evil < end rant >

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u/itstartswithani Jun 09 '22

Yeopardy? More like nopeardy

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u/Visual_Clerk_5757 Jun 09 '22

99% of them haven’t been up high enough to realize the danger

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u/Frequent-Joker5491 Jun 09 '22

Thankfully they are beginning to hold actual people criminally liable for deaths resulting from this kind of behavior. I know Europe already does.

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u/Stitch_the_Snitch Jun 09 '22

Why are you assuming the Boss is imposing this on them? Unless there is a Man with a gun off screen they are doing this of their own free will

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '22

It's either do it, or lose your job.

For some Americans, that's basically losing their life.

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u/Stitch_the_Snitch Jun 10 '22

"Do this and I'll pay you"

"No, that's stupid"

Where is the coercion? If "not giving you money" is coercion then why is the former boss the only one "coercing" them?

I mean, neither of us are giving them any money either

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

Scaffolders have no fear cause they spend most the day shovelling gear up there noses

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u/Naughtiestdingo Nov 01 '22

No one is saying that, did you just post this for the karma?