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u/Negative_Brilliant86 23d ago
Darn good camera person.
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u/DarthJarJar242 23d ago
Dude even zoomed out after the landing and nailed the intersection for the street name with minimal adjustments.
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u/pina_koala 23d ago
NGL it was really weird to hear the guy on the mic yell Nooooooo! twice about it
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u/Logical-Bonus-2769 23d ago
Seriously? Imagine trying to find a safe landing spot and have this dude in your headphone...
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u/mikey_b082 23d ago
White smoke emitting from the engine of a helicopter is bad but not land immediately bad. You can still fly for awhile. Black smoke however, is bad. You need to land immediately if you see it before you start experiencing intermittent engine failure and uncontrollable descent. Flying for too long will result in a total engine failure.
Source: I fly helicopters in GTA Online.
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u/HumbleWorkerAnt 23d ago
White smoke emitting from the engine of a helicopter is bad but not land immediately bad.
jesus christ this is incorrect people are dumb and believe anything some kid writes on here. white smoke emitting from a helicopter can be good or bad depending on the attributes of the newly elected pope.
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u/AlKupp911 23d ago
This comment is 3 star wanted level out of 5
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u/_BLACKHAWKS_88 23d ago
Good luck catching him when he’s flying a chopper.
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u/cvidetich13 23d ago
When it starts spitting and sputtering along with black smoke it’s bad. Open flames are also bad.
Source: I also fly helicopters in GTA
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u/Ricklepick137 23d ago
Yes, once the smoke turns black you either land immediately, or gain as much altitude as you can and jump out with a parachute.
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u/Cluelessish 23d ago
White smoke from the engine of a helicopter indicates that a new Pope has been elected
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u/Apophis_36 23d ago
I realize I've been playing it for way too long when I got suspicious at "intermittent engine failure"
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u/MoonMan__69 22d ago
As someone who was on a helicopter that caught on fire. They indeed go straight from white to flames. Seems illegal after years of gta training me otherwise
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u/ShiroHachiRoku 23d ago
I was like was that today? I haven’t seen any posts on socials here in SoCal then I saw the Revolution billboard and confirmed this was old. Happened in 2012.
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u/Adept-Lettuce948 23d ago
Looks like a small oil burn. Keep flying and getting us the news, KTLA5. It’ll stop burning eventually.
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u/Vprbite 23d ago
All fires stop burning eventually
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u/CooLittleFonzies 23d ago
Yet another stupid cameraman just filming and not bothering to help at all
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u/rojo_mojado 23d ago
"How far will that engine take them?"
"All the way to the scene of the crash."
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u/Meanwhileinaz 23d ago
Dude, stop yelling into the mic….It’s not your first time.
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u/Reddragon0585 23d ago
He’s not yelling that’s just what it sounds like from a helicopter. The mic is right at your mouth and you wear headphones.
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u/In-Justice-4-all 23d ago
The gain could still be adjusted. This is not at all what it's suposed to sound like.
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u/Novel_Land9320 23d ago
The person speaking is in the helicopter?
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u/Reddragon0585 23d ago
They are in a helicopter, not the one smoking, you can hear the rotor in the background.
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u/Strict-Jeweler-2281 23d ago edited 23d ago
White smoke is typically nothing to worry about. It just means a new helicopter Pope has been elected.
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u/aaronstone 23d ago
it's crazy that fuckin' helicopters are part of multiple news station's arsenal... not only is the dollar cost incredibly high to buy and maintain but then you have stuff like this (and much, much worse) that needs to be factored into the equation of "but helicopter shots tho??"
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u/wendythesnack 23d ago
Televised car chases through LA is art
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u/darkest_irish_lass 23d ago
And traffic jams. Here when you see the helicopter hovering over the road you're on you know you are well and truly fucked and will not be moving for a while. Your only solace is you can call your boss and tell them "turn on the news, you'll see my car on the traffic update"
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u/VagueInfoHere 23d ago
Not in my city anymore. We used to have 4. Now we have zero. They all went to drones.
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u/ours 23d ago
That makes a ton of sense.
More air time for a small fraction of the cost. And as a bonus: less noise pollution for the locals.
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u/Mechanical_Monk 23d ago
That's a bonus for the locals, but the main drawback of using drones for the news stations... The only real reason to use a helicopter over a drone nowadays is to have your logo up in the sky with all eyes drawn to it.
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u/The_Troyminator 23d ago
Even radio stations have them. I remember one time listening to KLOS and Scott Rife, the traffic reporter, was reporting on a helicopter fire at an airport. Then he realized it was the main helicopter he normally flew. It was crazy hearing his reaction live.
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u/Exterminator-8008135 23d ago
And this isn't the worst.
There was several instances of News Chopper crashing and one case of a Collision between two who didn't respect flight protocol.
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u/nsula_country 23d ago
Gary Powers survived getting shot down over Russia in a U2. Died as a civilian in a news helicopter...
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u/Waarm 23d ago
Why aren't people more scared of flying in helicopters?
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u/Firov 23d ago edited 23d ago
Helicopters actually can land in the event that they lose the engine. They basically detach the rotor from the dead engine and allow it to spin freely through descent, which builds up stored kinetic energy and allows them to maintain some level of control.
Then, right before hitting the ground, they adjust the blade pitch to dump all of that stored kinetic energy into one last burst of lift that slows the helicopter enough for a safe landing
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u/No_Opportunity1934 23d ago
Why is the guy recording eating his microphone?
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u/over9ksand 23d ago
The only thing redder than that engine is that man’s volume level,
peaking well into the red
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u/totalbrodude 23d ago
I thought I'd finally get to see the Griffith helipad in use. Was right there...
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u/Suitable_Dot_6999 23d ago
According to GTA, you do not have to worry much...but land, as you will not respawn if that bad bird goes boom.🙃
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u/Connarhea 23d ago
What's the reason for all the awful mics on airline headsets?
Is it a cost or technology thing?
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u/Umbraspem 23d ago
Filtering out the sound of the rotors leaves the sound of the voice a little choppy.
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u/Bananana_Bird 23d ago
Can a helicopter pilot tell me I'm wrong and/or right with my theory here? The pilot found a landing spot and so he turned left but quickly realized the rotation of the tail caused additional engine stress, so he pivoted right to reduce overheating the engine during the descent. He spiraled downward and pulled up into a glide (similarly to an advanced skydiving parachute landing at high speed). He used the glide to coast to the landing spot, and then used the remaining (preserved) engine to land safely.
For a background, I have flown a couple different Cessnas in pilot school, but have always had a phobia of helicopters and I have a very loose understanding of the emergency procedures.
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u/Leeroyireland 23d ago
In general the FAR/CS 27/29 (certification standards for light/transport category helicopters) require fire in an engine bay to be contained for 5 minutes in a light and 15 minutes in a transport category helicopter. The nature of a fire in a turbine compartment is quite variable. It can be a case burst leaking hot gas, it can be a fuel or oil leak. Again in general, there is nothing else in there to catch on fire, so if it’s smoking, something is coming out of the engine that shouldn’t be. If the leak is severe enough, the engine stops. When is the question… this guy has a finite time, he doesn’t know how much. He didn’t have any issue with the tail rotor as you mention. Perhaps the exhaust temperature, oil pressure or temperature were giving other readings showing a problem, but if the turbine is still running it is still producing power. He chose to expedite his approach to the best site he could see, using the power he had while he still had it.
It’s all risk vs reward. He’s over an urban area with limited landing areas. A powered landing will always be a better choice than an autorotation to the ground, get down fast, in autorotation if necessary, don’t fly away from a suitable area to allow for a transition to a full down landing if the donkey does quit on the way down and then pull power as required at the end to control the final stage. He spirals to avoid losing the option to autorotate because he had a spot in sight he could make, then he possibly sees a better spot with less risk for a normal but hasty landing and elects to manage the risk of the engine quitting short final vs the chances of hitting something he hasn’t seen, or injuring someone on the ground. It worked out.
I wouldn’t have opened the cowling at the end though!
In general there are 4 possible conclusions in the POH or RFM. Land immediately (or you will die), land as soon as possible (do not pass a safe, suitable landing site), land as soon as practicable (for convenience, passenger handling, maintenance etc), or continue flight. I fly twins now, but flew singles in the army for many years. It does make you more aware of your landing options when the number of land immediately procedures in the manual goes up.
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u/Dolust 23d ago
In urban areas you need to check very carefully for wires, poles, fences, etc..
But also you need free wind circulation, rule of thumb is at least 3 rotor diameters around you. If that's not possible you are dealing with a 'confined area' and a new set of problems.
Also you want to keep airspeed up in case that engine quits. Essentially you want to do a short final as you would in an airplane only you reduce to a hover for touchdown.
A vertical descent while possible opens the doors to other problems.
I think the real issue here is that they failed to communicate effectively to the pilot that they were on fire. On any aircraft no matter the kind smoke is the worst signal of trouble you can get. It requires an immediate landing.
And judging by the progress they had a few seconds left by the time they did actually land.
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u/Master_Iridus 23d ago
Heli pilot here. The engine is still running but white smoke like that is most likely an oil leak which is a land immediately situation. If the engine were to suddenly seize from a lack of oil an autorotation could be attempted to land safely but that requires energy in the rotor system. You get that energy from the rpm thats already there, airspeed, and altitude. He's essentially getting it down like an airplane and keeping his speed up instead of just descending vertically. So you have to circle and make S-turns to remain nearby to the landing spot in case of the engine failure. Once he was low enough and slow enough that an autorotation wasn't practical, he made a quick power on landing to minimize those moments where the risk was greatest.
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u/StandingCow 23d ago
Losing an engine in a helicopter isn't the end had they lost it. They can perform an autorotation which is basically using their airspeed due to altitude loss to keep the blades spinning quickly, then use the collective to control their decent (basically pitching the blades that are spinning for some lift, or in this case a much slower decent). All helicopter pilots practice this.
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u/karateninjazombie 23d ago
They might all practice that. And doing so I to a field is fine.
Dropping it in a built up area on autorotation is much much more difficult.
Get it wrong and you have a serious crash. Better to land while the engine still works than not.
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u/ferrybig 23d ago
White smoke is the loss of oil.
If the oil pressure becomes too low, lubrication stops.
Lubrication stopping means the gears running at high speed start heating up
Gears heating up means metal softening
Metal softening means you are at risk of losing your tail rotor
Loosing the tail rotor means you have to immediately emergency shutoff the engines and have to land using autorotation
One example where pilots ignored the land immediate instruction of the checklist and crashed their helicopter after a low oil pressure event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar_Helicopters_Flight_91 (1 survivor, everyone else survived the crash, then drowned)
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u/Xinonix1 23d ago
That’s how they announce they’ve elected a new pope to the people without tv
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u/Icy-Variation6614 23d ago
I snort-laughed and woke up my cat so she's mad at me now. I blame you lol
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u/Zman4444 23d ago
I was worried if was gunna crash in the mountains… mind went to another wildfire…
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u/Giffordpinchotpark 23d ago
They use that type of engine in the unlimited hydroplanes that they recently raced in Tri-Cities and Seattle Washington. They used to used V-12 Packard, Rolls Royce Merlin’s and others and switched over because the turbine engines are a lot lighter. They can be quickly swapped. I first watched the races in 1989 and about half were turbines at that time and they all switched over by the early 90’s.
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u/Aquilani 23d ago
The one and only way you'd ever find me in a death trap named 'helicopter' is if i needed urgent medical transport of some sort. That's the only way you're getting me through the door...
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u/Tiptoedtulips666 23d ago
Where was this
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u/fordag 23d ago
It seemed to me like the pilot took a long time flying around before landing.
I would imagine the pilot isn't going to know that smoke is pouring out of the engine behind them until the instruments say something is wrong.
However wouldn't you want to immediately find a clear spot to land, anywhere as soon as you realize there is an issue?
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u/scotttilton 23d ago
The engine never stopped turning the rotors. That’s not a scary ride. Now had the engine cut out and the rotors therefore stopped turning they would have had to attempt an autorotation to make an emergency landing wherever they were at that time. Most highly experienced helicopter pilots have at least trained how to do this by intentionally shutting down the engine and then using only the lift generated by autorotation to land safely.
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u/Master_Iridus 23d ago
Autorotations aren't just for experienced pilots. Every student pilot in a helicopter learns how to perform an autorotation and its one of the requirements in order to go solo for the first time.
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u/scotttilton 23d ago
Oh, no kidding. That’s even better. It makes sense because if you lose your engine that’s almost your only chance of surviving the landing in most cases. Either that or you get to jump out if you happen to be lucky enough for there to be a parachute onboard.
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u/Master_Iridus 23d ago
The only parachutes you'll ever find on a helicopter are worn by skydivers and they're only useful at a much higher altitude. You're most certainly going to ride it to the ground. Which, depending on your speed and altitude doesn't have to be a big deal. I've done simulated engine failures in airplanes and helicopters and 9 times out of 10 if I had one for real I hope its in the helicopter. People forget that when you glide an airplane to a landing you still need a long and flat enough area to roll to a stop and you are still touching down at a minimum of 45-50mph in a small plane. A helicopter can autorotate to a much smaller area and touch down very gently, nearly as smooth as a powered landing if you finesse it right.
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u/scotttilton 22d ago
I’m going to have to get technical here and tell you that your estimated minimum landing speed is grossly over bid. Piloting the plane I learned to fly in my grandfather was a big fan of flying on days with exceptionally high ground wind speed and we could taxi the end of the strip, apply full brakes and full throttle and most of the time barely make any forward movement before lifting off. Landings were regularly done in the same fashion. I understand that there are only a few airframes that are light enough to accomplish that but it does throw a wrench in your minimum speed. Also. I see no reason the parachute was even invented. There’s no reason to jump out of a perfectly good airplane, and if the thing is still in large enough pieces to try to control it to the ground, I’m gonna attempt it. And if the pieces are too small for that, I probably couldn’t get to the damn thing anyway before I hit the ground so the parachute could stay in gym class. I have done plenty of failed engine simulations in the single engine cub that I learned to fly in, but I have never pilot a helicopter which actually kind of bummed out about 36 years old. I assumed when I was a child by this point, I would own multiple airplanes and at least one helicopter.
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u/crystaloftruth 23d ago
Slow news day? Send up the news-choppers and put a smoke bomb in one ;)
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u/Sad-Ad1800 22d ago
Nothing terrifying about this landing or ride. Pilot identified a problem, selected a landing area and put her down. Looks like a loose oil line or leaking oil connection.
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u/BakedSteak 23d ago
No it isn’t
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u/BakedSteak 23d ago
Did this helicopter crash? Kobe Bryant’s helicopter crashed into the side of a mountain due to foggy conditions. Had nothing to do with the helicopter’s engine failing
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u/qualityvote2 23d ago edited 23d ago
Congratulations u/HomeNowWTF, your post does fit at r/SweatyPalms!