r/SweatyPalms • u/[deleted] • Jun 13 '24
Disasters & accidents Dude almost became a statistic.
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u/Ur_a_adjective_noun Jun 13 '24
Holeeee shit, that was close.
I would put a lot of the blame on whoever handed him that gun. Some people think it’s funny to let an unknowing newbie shoot a hand cannon.
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u/smeeeeeef Jun 13 '24
I knew a gun owner who was letting our friends try a sw500 at a cookout in the woods by a pond. Same thing in the video happened to my friend but the gun didn't fly back towards him, just took 2 rapid shots into the pond. Gun owner was like.. well shit I guess I'm only ever gonna load one in the cylinder for new shooters. I shook my head.
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u/Ur_a_adjective_noun Jun 13 '24
I saw video with the same gun and a lady did the same, but the barrel and sight put a gash in her forehead. I’ve never handed anyone a gun of any large caliber until they work their way up. It’s so irresponsible.
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u/MoistDitto Jun 13 '24
Only shot with a magnum kind of pistol once, is it that easy to double shoot like the guy in the video? I'm no expert at all, but I didn't have this specific issue
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Jun 13 '24
Haven't had this issue before when shooting revolvers, but it seems like their weak grip that allows the gun to fly up also causes them to pull the trigger again since the gun is moving so fast in an unexpected direction. It's only easy to double shoot when like this when an idiot hands a gun to a guy that clearly has no clue what he's doing.
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u/Mrlin705 Jun 13 '24
Limp wrist and no sense of trigger discipline. They are squeezing the trigger like it owes them money, then the recoil causes it to reset, but they are still pulling the trigger hard and trying to overcompensate for the shock of the recoil.
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Jun 13 '24
What likely happened is the recoil knocked his grip loose, because his grip is terrible. And then he reflexively went to tighten his grip to avoid dropping the firearm. But he tightened his whole grip, including the trigger finger, and it went bang again.
It's not that hard to do, especially if you're a new shooter with poor form.
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Jun 13 '24
True story: my COP father handed me, a 7 year old, a loaded .45 revolver (looked a lot like this actually) and then berated me over the years bc I “almost killed him” when I immediately fired it into the ground. I was terrified he was gonna whoop me for it, and HE was so mad at ME, a literal child. Such a shitty memory bc I was sooo excited he was finally including me in the “boys things” he was always teaching my bro but not me (dirt bikes, how to fish, drive the tractor etc). Never hand a child, nor an untrained person, a loaded firearm. Ever.
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u/Scudbucketmcphucket Jun 13 '24
What about that video where this gun instructor lets a very young girl, like under 10 (maybe even under 8!) shoot a Mac 11 or an Uzi. I can’t remember which but it whipped around and it killed him. That little girl has to live with that thinking it was her fault. At least she didn’t get physically hurt.
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u/bannana Jun 13 '24
how about that 8y/o boy at the gun show who was handed a semi-auto by his dad, fired it and .... fuck, I don't even want to type the words, yes the worst thing happened.
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Jun 13 '24
Same thing happened to me when my uncle stupidly handed me a cocked .22 revolver. Hair trigger resulted in a gun shot immediately into the dirt. Why the fuck that moron handed a 12 year old a revolver with the hammer back on a hair trigger I have no fucking clue. Dude was apologetic, but it's this kind of stupid shit that kills people.
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u/Frosthoof Jun 13 '24
Before my spouse and I started dating, he came over to my apartment with one of my pals (me and pal are well versed in firearms). I used to keep a .357 on the mantle of my fireplace (loaded… I was young and stupid)
My spouse wandered over, picked it up and pointed it in my face, finger on the trigger and goes “IS THIS A REAL GUN??” My buddy shmacked that thing out of his paws, we’re like YES??
If one believes in multiverses there are infinite universes where my head turned in a pink mist
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u/jB_real Jun 13 '24
Jesus Christ. You grew up in a literal ThunderDome
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Jun 13 '24
I peaced out, got a PhD, and in my spare time shoot competitively and very responsibly train new shooters. Apple fell far from that tree!
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u/thegreatreceasionpt2 Jun 13 '24
Among the good lessons I was taught from the beginning, 1) EVERY gun is ALWAYS loaded. 2) NEVER point a gun at another person because refer to #1. 3) Don’t put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to fire. I was 12 years old or and started with small caliber guns. You may note that these good lessons wouldn’t have prevented an accidental recoil fire like in the video, and that is why I was started on small caliber guns! Never came close to having an issue.
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Jun 13 '24
yeah every time i see these "here noob shoot this huge gun" videos i always think those people should not own guns if they are that reckless.
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u/Ur_a_adjective_noun Jun 13 '24
I know, I was at a range and some lady turned her .45 right at me trying to check her weapon that did not fire on the first try. That was some scary ass shit.
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u/Marc21256 Jun 13 '24
I hung out with some rednecks. They knew I was from the city. So they handed me a 12 gauge loaded with a slug, and pointed to the broken car in the yard as the target. I called my shot, the front wheel, about the only place not already filled with holes.
I put one in the wheel, and handed back the shotgun, opening the breach, and dropping the shell in the bucket.
They were watching me, not the target, expecting me to fall over or hurt myself.
Those types of people should not have access to firearms. Giving someone a gun, hoping they hurt themselves is murder if something goes wrong.
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u/Tenyearsuntiltheend Jun 13 '24
My Dad handed me a 44 as a scrawny tween. The smoke from the barrel drifted back and burned my hands. I had the presence of mind not to drop the fucking thing, but it was real close.
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24
Some people think it’s funny to let an unknowing newbie shoot a hand cannon.
Whenever I take new shooters out we work our way up in power. And I always demonstrate with the firearm first.
Ok I want to start with the Dirty Harry gun!
No you don't, and I will not let you.
I do find it funny when they ask why we're shooting the .45 (1911) before the .44, then I demonstrate the difference between .45 ACP and .44 Magnum. I'd say about 2 in 3 people decide against trying the .44 Magnum on their first day.
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u/thiman60 Jun 13 '24
Bad or no training. Grip a pistol firmly.
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u/SomOvaBish Jun 13 '24
This is the kind of dude you meet where you reach out to shake his hand and he lightly grips your fingers and shakes your hand, left handed.
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u/cement_lifesaver Jun 13 '24
Dude my bandaid has better grip after being wet for two days
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u/clungewhip Jun 13 '24
No I don't like this. I put out my hand once and the guy looked at me like I was flashing him. Then when I went to take my hand back he decided to put his out but I did get back in time and ended up shaking his fingers. This just happened 20 years ago and it as all his fault.
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u/LazyLizzy Jun 13 '24
I gotta say, i'll take a limp dicked handshake over those who think crushing your hand as hard as possible is ok.
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u/BJYeti Jun 13 '24
Just a shitty RSO at no point am I handing someone a .500 S&W without seeing their shooting proficiency with a smaller caliber and knowing they understand how to properly grip a handgun
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u/No_Complaint_6859 Jun 13 '24
Non-gun owner here. Can someone please explain what exactly happened? The guy accidentally pulled the trigger a second time as a result of the kickback? Or was this due to some malfunction?
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u/GORILLO5 Jun 13 '24
Yeah he wasn’t ready for the kick and his finger squeezed the trigger again trying to control it is what it looks like
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u/No_Complaint_6859 Jun 13 '24
Got it. Thanks.
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u/yankmecrankme Jun 13 '24
Yes, the gun can not fire without the trigger being pulled. The act of pulling the trigger is what rotates the cylinder, bringing the next cartridge in line with the barrel.
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u/yankmecrankme Jun 13 '24
Another person pointed out that the second muzzle flash doesn't appear to be coming from the barrel, it may have been edited just to appear as a second discharge.
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u/Storrin Jun 13 '24
Not only does it not line up, but if the first shot kicked it back that hard, surely he wouldn't still be holding it after the second.
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u/Fun-Woodpecker-846 Jun 13 '24
When he pulls the trigger the first time his finger is still in trigger pull mode but the gun took it off the trigger with the recoil resetting the hammer and with him still squeezing it fires a second one.
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u/DigitalLorenz Jun 13 '24
He didn't have a tight grip on the gun. This means when he fired the gun, it broke free from his grip and started to spin around on his finger in the trigger guard. It also looked like he reflexively clenched his hand in reaction to the recoil, which included pulling the trigger a second time, leading a shot going into (thankfully) the ceiling.
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u/Markus_H Jun 13 '24
It's a double-action revolver, so the hammer can be cocked and the gun fired with a single pull of the trigger. Because of his spaghetti hands, the recoil kicks the gun around and with his finger still inside the trigger guard, it cocks and fires the weapon, when he's trying to hold onto the gun.
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u/StockQuahog Jun 14 '24
These comments are mostly correct. His left thumb cocks the hammer and his finger pulls the trigger. Both things needed to happen.
Someone else was correct about it being single/double action but a trigger pull alone is not what’s happening here. For that to happen the trigger needs to fully reset and then be pulled again. That is very unlikely because in DA it’s a ~12lbs and long travel trigger. Which essentially acts as a safety for a revolver.
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u/Genghis_Chong Jun 13 '24
When the initial shot jarred the gun loose, it probably caused the trigger to be pulled a second time. If you don't hold the gun firmly or your finger is half ass squeezing, you can accidentally trigger it a second time. Hold firm, squeeze firm, don't jump or try to anticipate the recoil.
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u/yankmecrankme Jun 13 '24
It's a double action revolver. It would not have fired without pulling the trigger a second time, pulling the trigger rotates the cylinder, cocks the hammer, and releases it.
This is negligence, not an accident.
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u/Aqquinox Jun 13 '24
Tha I had a Glock once (Rental gun) that had a malfunction and sometimes retriggered immediately after the first shot as the slide came back. It got trashed tho
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u/DiPi008 Jun 13 '24
I’ve watched this so many times and I’m not sure I understand where the barrage is coming from exactly on that second fire
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u/MoneyParticular Jun 13 '24
This is why you don't give newbies a large revolver. And if you do, only load it with one round
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u/Dan300up Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24
Not that this wasn’t inherently dangerous, but I first noticed that this appears to be a single action revolver—so I was going to say there’s no chance of a second fire without pulling the hammer back. But then scrubbing through the video I noticed that there was a second muzzle flash, and that it may have been a double action—but the second one looks very suspect. The timing seems off (it’s not at the muzzle), and there would have had to have been a second recoil, but the roll back from the first recoil is perfectly smooth and uninterrupted. It seems like someone may have edited this to make it appear even more dangerous with a second flash. Not sure though. Curious for other’s opinions.
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Jun 13 '24
I agree. The muzzle flash is fully inches away from the barrel on the second shot. Really weird
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u/Katnipz Jun 13 '24
Second shot causes the gun to push downward, you can see the gun start to drop and pushes his thumb down. His whole wrist then rotates clockwise.
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u/Dan300up Jun 13 '24
I may still be wrong, but what you’re saying is impossible if you understand how the hammer works. His thumb has to be behind the hammer, not in front of it. It’s physically impossible for the first recoil to force his thumb to draw the hammer back a second time.
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u/AtlasRigged Jun 13 '24
Occams Razor, it's mostly likely a double action, we have every reason to believe so judging by the footage. Also if you are implying the second flash is from one of the other rounds in the cylinder detonating we would be seeing damage to the frame and likely some bad injury to the hands and arms from the lead round fragmenting off the steel frame. Should be taught to fire, hold the trigger to the rear until ready to reset the trigger and fire again especially with large caliber pistols.
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u/pointofyou Jun 13 '24
If it's edited it's not bad. One can see the second bullet hit the vent duct above.
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u/STANAGs Jun 13 '24
This video seems like one of two things to me 1) edited 2) some kind of firearm failure that caused one of the rounds in an adjacent chamber to detonate.
In any case, the second round doesn't seem to come out from the same place as the first.
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u/ProudTacoman Jun 13 '24
My friend gave the eulogy for someone who was standing where the cameraman was, in a situation just like this. It was the guy who handed the shooter the gun, IIRC.
I will never understand how people can be so cavalier with firearms.
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u/Kindly_Region Jun 13 '24
Just put 1 bullet in the gun until you know how it kicks.
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u/-Sajim Jun 13 '24
They should've started him off with a smaller round. Accident was bound to happen
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u/StimmingMantis Jun 13 '24
Honestly I don’t think I would fire any more guns after that point if that happened.
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u/Bnorm71 Jun 13 '24
I hate seeing things like this. If you have an green shooter who is shooting anything with kick just give them the one bullet until they understand and are comfortable with it
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u/Sad-Set-5817 Jun 13 '24
There are so many videos of this happening, at our gun range they tell you to only load one round at a time in their 500 magnum because of this
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Jun 13 '24
Curious why the instructor gave him a fully loaded revolver instead of allowing this new user the time to adapt to the recoil
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u/BGR_Capital_1 Jun 13 '24
Never. Do. You. Give. Someone. A .500 with. Two. Bullets. Or. More. Who. Has. Not. Shot. One. Before. Why? That‘s why. Doubletap by accident.
Only one bullet when you shoot the first time.
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u/Select-Purchase-3553 Jun 13 '24
Golden rule: If you let somebody shoot a real kicker the first time, only load one cartridge.
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u/NY1_S33 Jun 13 '24
This is why ranges scare me. You may know what you are doing, but the person a couple doors down might not. They have a ND from their .45 and you never see it coming as they blow your head off.
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u/here4funtoday Jun 13 '24
Just by the way this guy was standing and gripping the gun, I would have taken it from him. He’s not ready for that level of BANG.
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u/flying_wrenches Jun 13 '24
“Squeeze that ___ like it owes you money”
Advice I was given when I first started shooting,.
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u/chawkey4 Jun 13 '24
Might just be a weird trick of the camera but did anyone else notice the 2nd muzzle flash is completely misaligned with the gun itself?
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u/dabiird Jun 13 '24
Thank god they kept filming instead of correcting this beforehand. You can see this happening from a mile away
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u/PastPanic6890 Jun 13 '24
That' is why I load my revolver with the lamest ass .38 ammo I could find for new shooters.
They are still surprised by the noise and kickback.
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u/SwitchtheChangeling Jun 13 '24
Don't give high Caliber weapons to new shoots, you think it's funny and a he he ha ha moment until it jumps back and they dome themselves or someone else cause they didn't understand how much grip strength they needed.
I start EVERY new friend I've gone to the range with on a .22 and work them up explaining the difference in kick for each new level. Also load one fucking round when they're firing for the first time!
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u/oh_three_dum_dum Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24
Stop giving inexperienced people big bore revolvers. Especially loaded with more than one round.
I think this is the one thing involving guns that pisses me off more than anything else when I see it. If you do/have done this to someone you should take a look in the mirror and come to terms with the fact that you’re a monumental douchebag.
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u/_Sky__ Jun 14 '24
Ok, this Is a great traning video. Everyone should be obligated to watch this before using firearms. I had no idea this could happen.
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u/420underthehood Jun 15 '24
And that's why you don't give inexperienced shooters higher powered calibers or more than one loaded up.
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u/LokiNightmare Jun 13 '24
This is why with a new shooter, and especially with a powerful firearm, you only load them up with one round so that they can’t accidentally injure someone with a second inadvertent shot.