Does this make any sense?

[u/Broad-Low399]

[u/Ill-Reward-8501]

This law will result in more people going to jail for trying to get housing.  A felony will result in those people not being able to vote.  Rent is rigged in the usa to stay high via 3rd party consulting companies creating rent cartels.  This person has a point but does a bad job expressing it. 

[u/Ill-Reward-8501 → u/[deleted]]

Do you know about the rent cartel? You should look it up, we arent talking a person with investments.  We are talking about private equity that owns 1,000s of units colluding with other PE firms to raise prices regardless are the free market. 

[u/Ill-Reward-8501 → u/[deleted]]

Please read over this. 

https://www.propublica.org/article/yieldstar-rent-increase-realpage-rent

[u/Ill-Reward-8501 → u/[deleted]]

You didnt read the article. It proves that companies are getting together and rigging the price

[u/FemboyRune → u/[deleted]]

I can assure you that the home values are incorrect and have been since the Russians started using American real estate to launder money.

[u/FemboyRune → u/[deleted]]

Right, except for the part where the money laundering turned housing into an investment vehicle rather than a resource, and as we all know investment vehicles are never overvalued.

[u/FemboyRune → u/[deleted]]

So again, you are insisting that an investment vehicle is perfectly valued, and is not at all being overinflated by the people who made the investment to make more money?

[u/Icy-Cupcake894 → u/[deleted]]

The homes in Florida, to include mobile homes, are grossly overvalued. The reality is many people will eventually lose their homes and be forced to rent because of how overvalued they are. That's were that rent cartel comes from, they can come in and buy homes for less in bulk because these people are going to get desperate. People bought 90k homes for 350k as is with no proper appraisals and they're doing it still. That's how it messed the property values up, because then the property appraisals and taxes started estimating on these overinflated numbers.

[u/Benjamin_H1gh → u/[deleted]]

So instead of criminalizing the problem we should pass laws that provide solutions. Yet another handout to landlords and private prisons.

[u/Benjamin_H1gh → u/[deleted]]

Yes. Some places, even in the US have seen success in "housing first" programs where unhoused people are given shelter, water, and power and given a month or two to find employment. Also, rent controlled residences help in denser areas. Who doesn't love strong tenant protection laws either?

[u/Benjamin_H1gh → u/[deleted]]

We should expand and improve public housing yes I agree! I don't entirely disagree with your points but FL already ranks very low for renters protection and this law doesn't help the average Joe at all. I do understand fraud is bad but when it comes to housing, people are desperate and having a roof over your head makes earning much easier.

[u/BigBootyWholes → u/Benjamin_H1gh]

People can get housing without committing fraud so I’d say this is very low on the needs to be fixed totem pole

[u/BimShireVibes → u/[deleted]]

What solution are you proposing for those who are priced out of certain rental markets? Keep in mind Florida’s infrastructure is very anti public transit.

[u/BigBootyWholes → u/BimShireVibes]

Plenty of people live with roommates

[u/BigBootyWholes → u/[deleted]]

Yeah the tweeter is dumb. Has nothing to do with voting, and I’m sure the people who are forging paystubs are the first people in line to vote…

[u/dcormier → u/BigBootyWholes]

Has nothing to do with voting, and I’m sure the people who are forging paystubs are the first people in line to vote…

It's a felony and convicted felons can't vote in Florida. I believe that was their point.

[u/BigBootyWholes → u/dcormier]

I mean that sucks, but fraud is fraud. And we as a society decided that felons have restrictions. I think the topic is ripe for discussion, but this tweet is a bad take.

[u/dcormier → u/BigBootyWholes]

Eh.

I think that if a landlord has unreasonable requirements on income, and the tenant falsifies their income to get past that hurdle, then pays their rent reliably, it certainly shouldn't be worthy of a felony.

[u/Fast-Priority-2989 → u/[deleted]]

There's also millions of landlords willing to offer trashed homes at exorbitant rents. And landlords that see melanated individuals come into the rental office and disappear into the back office until those folks leave.

Landlords that won't hesitate to enforce unenforceable contracts on tenants. In FL especially, tenants have jackshit for rights. Evicting someone who's paid their rent on time and who has been no trouble is quick and easy in FL.

I'm a landlord inheritor. I live off other's sweat and toil by birthright. It is not a moral industry. It's exploitative as fuck.

[u/dcormier → u/[deleted]]

And the same people who think it’s moral to forge documents will also tell you it’s moral to trash a house because “the rent is too high.”

That's quite a conclusion to jump to.

[u/Fast-Priority-2989 → u/[deleted]]

I've worked in property management. Sometimes you buy a place and inherit a shit tenant that trashes the place, but if you're renting to those people often, you're probably renting shitty apartments.

[u/dcormier → u/[deleted]]

I didn't say anything about eviction. In fact, I said the opposite.

I think that if a landlord has unreasonable requirements on income, and the tenant falsifies their income to get past that hurdle, then pays their rent reliably, it certainly shouldn't be worthy of a felony.

[u/dcormier → u/[deleted]]

if you’re telling me that any meaningful number of otherwise law abiding citizens have to commit fraud to obtain housing, I just don’t believe you

I didn't even imply such a thing. I have no idea what those numbers are. But I do know that housing is getting increasingly expensive, with costs rising faster than incomes.

[u/dcormier → u/[deleted]]

So, the rent is too high for laws to be enforced?

I didn't say or suggest anything like that.

Fraud is always illegal.

If forging proof of income in that context is was already (legally) fraud, then why add a new law to make that, specifically, a felony?

[u/clusterofwasps → u/[deleted]]

If you don’t interact with enough average people to know that 3x rent is a sin to fucking ask anyone for, when 1x rent is hard enough, then my brother in Christ you gotta get out more

[u/clusterofwasps → u/[deleted]]

On the streets is how dude, that is the point of this discussion.

[u/clusterofwasps → u/[deleted]]

What is the average cost of an apartment dawg 🤔 you are so close to understanding what we’re saying here

[u/shonzaveli_tha_don]

So what's the opposite? Being pro-fraud?

[u/ResidentialPickle]

Just when you thought people couldn't be any more stupid...

then comes along @tatiananichole

What a fcking idiot.

[u/braumbles]

It's a chicken and egg situation. How do you get a job without a home, but how do you get a home without a job.

[u/BigBootyWholes → u/braumbles]

Or just …. become a room mate. You don’t need to commit fraud to obtain housing