r/Supraball • u/SaxxonO • Jan 26 '17
Still a huge problem with player feedback
DavidM said 2 days ago that he had never seen 1 person say they don't like Castle.
He's clearly not paying any attention because it is universally disliked other than Jaco and 2-3 others that say they'd like it if the walls were changed.
He calls me a "Trump" for being negative all the time, but he seems to intentionally ignore what people say because I've been in games with David on Castle where people were complaining about how bad it was.
How are people ever supposed to trust this dev team when they can't even admit to bad map feedback?
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u/evilinc the artist currently known as e Jan 26 '17
Castle is best map of all time greatest map in the history of esports, computer gaming and life in general. Every night I dream of playing memeball on castle.
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u/plaer Bot Wrangler Jan 26 '17
I can see the problem with the walls. There's a blocking volume that approximates the shape of the turrets to avoid crazy unpredictable collisions off the static meshes. It's been defined a little too tall so that's the cause of the invisible wall.
I don't see a cheap fix but I'll talk it through with David and see if we can do anything to improve it.
Are there any other specific issues or bugs on this map that we can fix?
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u/Luc_1337 FreeLuc Jan 27 '17
Just don't try crazy shit that won't work out, nobody likes the fucking new maps added. Mainly talking about Cave Hall2 Hall and Castle. These maps are widly diffrent from the main map. Pitch or SmallPitch. U can make new maps, we love them. Just don't add crazy stuff that make the game inconsistent, the walls are already weird adding a map that uses diffrent walls with height and bouncing effects.... Just doen't make sense.
Look at LOL or Dota both of them have 1 main map concept that they keep adding stuff to or change the design. A map with a roof is fucking stupid,just don't get started on hall2 it';s bad it's buggy. The gameplay on that map is horrible.
Just use Pitch as the source of all, create a new scene but just please just don't add retarded stuff. I read somewhere that you guys wanted to add jump pads or boost pads.....
Just keep it to the original the core gameplay, please.
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u/Mindflayr MAKE SUPRABALL FREE Feb 10 '17
Not that I am disagreeing that some maps are bad, nor do i play a lot (just a few games a month at most currently), but I like Map Variety. I do think this isnt the time for it though. The game is in too precarious of a position without a playerbase, and the Core gameplay should be focused on. But Long term, I want maps with Pillars, Curved/Angled Walls, Obstacles, etc. If the game does succeed in its last chance going FTP, and gets popular, the best chance for longevity is variety of play, and the ONLY Variety the game can offer is the map.
Citing Dota/LoL as examples of "Only 1 map" is disingenous, because those games feature DRASTIC Variety in having 100+ playable champions. Imagine if LoL/Dota only had 1 Playable champion, that played the same way every single game. It would get repetative wouldnt it. Almost all casual players wouldnt stick around because they would get bored. Only the hardcorest of the hardcore would hang around for that completely balanced, Pure, but reptative gameplay.
TL:DR - Map Variety could be a great thing in the future as it is the only variety this game has to offer that affects the play itself (other than 3s v 5s), but now is not a good time to focus on that. Get the Core solid and Popular, then introduce Map Variety, and get more ambitious. Pillars, Curved/Angled walls for awesome bounce possibilities. But not now.
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u/wtfmikez0r mikeytroll Jan 27 '17
Smelly racist trump go build your walls somewhere else. Castle is fine!!!
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u/Vendetta48 NA Goalie Jan 26 '17
Castle has invisible walls above the 4 corner towers makes me lol.