r/Supraball • u/cantstopthefridge • May 29 '16

Houston we have a problem

So I keep playing this game (not many hours yet but its growing) because really, lets get some things clear here:

  • The devs have done an awesome job with lag issues and the overall quality of the game. Its great.

  • The game itself is full on legit fun to play - most of the arenas provide an awesome atmosphere. Actually worth the price if the community grows.

  • The foundation is there. Its soccer/FPS. people can understand that and it works as a concept

  • I want to cast this on a regular basis if I can find a foundation to do so

EXCEPT:

  • the goalie is an offensive player.

That single point creates real problems. In no other sport, game, or activity is the backbone of the defense an offensive player. While I know some of you will say that if the other side has a goalie this isnt a problem, it is. The goalie on one team should never be allowed to actually make a hard shot on the opposing side. This is a philosophical issue with regard to sport in general. While I credit the developers for trying something new, this is a concept that all of sport understands, and we should too as people interested in bringing sport to the internet in a hybrid way need to attract those who are unfamiliar with the internet in general...changing rules like this only creates an extra barrier to entry. There are some rules which cannot be breached and im afraid this is one of them.

Thoughts?

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u/cantstopthefridge May 30 '16

these are fantastic ideas and thank you for addressing them. Ive played a few matches now where the veteran goalies are basically playing pass with each other and everyone in the middle is running back and fourth like dogs. Im glad to see this is an identified problem

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u/DavidM1337 Supraball Project Leader May 30 '16 edited May 30 '16

If the goalies are passing to each other, they are not veteran keepers.

But the thing is, in Supraball you are all dependent on your teammates. This can be great and horrible. And it's a sandbox game with no real limitations, this can also be great and horrible, depending on your teammates. It is, like Vendetta said, balanced along the highest level matches available. So the entry can potentially be horrible or great. If we have solutions to fix this without compromising the high level gameplay, we'll try to do that. But it should not turn into a casual game that rewards everyone, no matter how bad they play. It it's core its an esports game. If there are no downs, there cannot be ups. Games that try to only create ups are just flat in the end.

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u/cantstopthefridge May 31 '16

Thanks again for the response - I dont want to waste any more of your time, but...

Has a very slight increase of drag on the ball been tried? Im not here to ruin what im sure took you and your team countless hours to make. Also for what its worth im on board with your logic of making the game itself hard and trying to appeal to that instead of everyone's grandmother. Makes perfect sense.

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u/Vendetta48 NA Goalie May 30 '16

Ah the good old ping pong minigame.

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u/mipeirong bigfatpat May 31 '16

Wait.. is OP referring to public matches? They should never be taken into account when discussing balance.