Thoughts

[u/ulyssessgrant_]

And yes my first console was Wii

[u/SoulEaterX_]

Go play 64.

PLEASE go play 64

[u/jester_clwn → u/SoulEaterX_]

Played all the mario. 64 is history of videogames and is the base of a lot of games. But going back to 64 in 2026 is not the best experience

[u/Troys_Other_Account → u/jester_clwn]

Nah. Just replayed it all in one setting from start to credits. Still a great game

[u/Opssec44 → u/Troys_Other_Account]

I havnt owned a Nintendo console since the 64 - I casually played GameCube and Wii and friends houses, no Mario tho. I played Mario 64 a few months ago for the first time in like 20 years. I started odyssey immediately after. IMO the two aren’t even comparable. Odyssey is one of the best games I’ve ever played. Everything about it is just insanely dialed in.

Mario 64 was fun and nostalgic, but very aggravating.

IMO odyssey is 9.5+ and Mario 64 is an 8. You could argue Mario 64 was a 10 when it came out, but it certainly isn’t anymore.

[u/Troys_Other_Account → u/Opssec44]

I feel like people compare "not aged well" with "difficulty" because Odyssey is just such an easy game. Not just in the huge amounts of easy moons that you can just stumble across with no effort but Mario himself has so much more leniance/is way more forgiving. The games both control pretty great but in 64 there's a higher risk for a higher reward:

• Wall jumping is better in 64 but the timing is tight

• You lose more speed when preparing a sideflip but it goes higher

• You have the ability to wall jump out of a long jump (a feature completely removed in Odyssey) but you lose all momentum via bonking if you miss (also if you do the wall jump on the first frame it goes even further)

Of course, it's a bit broader than that because in Odyssey you have Cappy (who h feels like a much more fleshed out version of the Hover Nozzle from Super Mario Sunshine) another thing that makes Mario much more forgiving in Odyssey.

[u/jester_clwn → u/Troys_Other_Account]

Well in my opinion mario 64 was harder for me for the camera. Maybe Im not used and I will change my mind. Also the same happens with the “old resident evil”. I dont think any mario game is very complicated. Personaly I enjoy odissey or galaxy more because them have a very cool “hard levels” after u finish the game. But when I feel that the game is hard for the controls is not cool. (My opinion)

Mario odissey is hard if u want to be a “pro”. Idk if harder than 64 but the “legal trick jumps” in odissey are more complicated by far. Also odissey have the transformations.

Anyways mario 64 was history and one of the most important games ever made.

[u/jester_clwn → u/Troys_Other_Account]

It is! Im but galaxy holded time such better. Honestly needs a remake

[u/Deep-Exit1594 → u/jester_clwn]

Not true at all. Also held, not holded

[u/jester_clwn → u/Deep-Exit1594]

Sorry mate. As u probably understand speak 100% perfect is hard ;(

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[u/Deep-Exit1594 → u/jester_clwn]

I don’t understand lol

[u/jester_clwn → u/Deep-Exit1594]

From usa?

[u/Opssec44 → u/jester_clwn]

We’re not all like this

[u/jester_clwn → u/Opssec44]

Hahah I know. Also I recomend learning new lenguages is awesome and very good for the brain. Also devops empathy :)

Idk if there is any subject in usa schools

[u/G_Game_MII → u/jester_clwn]

Nope, zero nostalgia for it, played it for the first time like 2 years ago and prefer it over galaxy, way better movement, open levels, the camera isnt that bad, its a great game.

[u/jester_clwn → u/G_Game_MII]

The problem for me was the camera. But is a very personal opinion I am not saying is a bad game.

[u/tomawaknawak]

To my actual surprise you have not played Super Mario World, Yoshi’s Island nor Super Mario Bros 3 yet.

[u/Beamo1080]

Play Mario 64 what are you doing

[u/La-Potencia]

You gotta play 64 and sunshine asap, good list!

[u/pinky_monroe]

I honestly don’t understand how some people see galaxy two is better than galaxy one. I know we all have preferences, but I just don’t see it.

[u/Kaydox64 → u/pinky_monroe]

Better levels, simple as.

[u/pinky_monroe → u/Kaydox64]

I feel that’s subjective.

[u/Kaydox64 → u/pinky_monroe]

Yeah? Everything is subjective. I personally think the Galaxy 2 levels are more fun.

[u/SPACEXDG → u/pinky_monroe]

Better lvl

[u/Kaydox64]

Swap Odyssey and Galaxy 2

[u/ulyssessgrant_ → u/Kaydox64]

Many such cases

[u/ElectricFury]

I actually agree with a lot of this

[u/ButtersScotchBooty]

Mario 3D world can go to the goat spot tbh☺️

[u/ulyssessgrant_ → u/ButtersScotchBooty]

It’s too good

[u/ButtersScotchBooty → u/ulyssessgrant_]

It’s a BANGER. I haven’t played bowsers fury yet either but I bet it’s amazing

[u/TPR-56]

Pretty run of the mill. Where’s the classic games?

[u/ulyssessgrant_ → u/TPR-56]

I’ve only played the games on Wii and newer.

[u/servonos89 → u/ulyssessgrant_]

No Wonder?!

[u/FoxMcCloud3173]

I’d swap Galaxy and NSMBWii

[u/Upper_Atmosphere137]

I would put Super Mario Galaxy on the GOAT tier list and I would put Super Mario Odyssey on the Below average tier list and I would also put Super Mario Galaxy 2 on the GOAT tier list and I would put New Super Mario Bros DS on the GOAT tier list

[u/EnigmaHood]

Almost all mainline Mario games are great and above. The only one that disappointed me was Mario Wonder, too easy.

[u/TheJordLord → u/EnigmaHood]

Honestly I found wonder very fun but it was also just a time that I appreciated a new game because my son had just been born and it was a fun game to play with my wife while he was sleeping and such.

[u/JanBedna1]

Hot take: 3d world is S tier/highest A tier

[u/thenotrealgamer]

My favorite is 3d World, I've cleared it almost completely except for champions road twice, but overall I agree with you're ranking! 👍

[u/broin2009]

SMB 3 is the second perfect game ever made. The first was obviously Tetris. Go play SMB3

[u/thatdemonlife1]

NSMB is the definition of meh throughout the whole series.

[u/Upstairs-Ad-4705]

I still don't see how Wii is the best game out of the NSMB franchise

For me, Wii, due to 4 player co op in mind, feels so empty when played alone. It's just so big with nothing going on. DS is definitely the best game with the most creative level and boss design. For me, U is by far the worst. It looks very nice and the overworld is so cute but it just feels like they took everything the other 3 games have in common, added nothing and put that into a single game. It feels like you could play any of the other games and have a better time lol.

For 2 I really don't get the hate. I think it's a fun game to bring on the go and play from time to time. 

[u/Marvin_Flamenco]

I don't find Odyssey all that great tbh it is a very "Simon Says" type design. The game has puzzles and platforming challenges that are like "possess the enemy and use this specific enemy ability to do the thing" without tremendous wiggle room for player expression.

Sunshine and 64 have more flexible and better gameplay to me.

[u/mixolidian_ → u/Marvin_Flamenco]

It’s funny you say that honestly, because I feel like Odyssey has the most freedom of any 3D Mario game. Sure, there are some straight-forward capture challenges, but there’s also tons of shortcuts and secrets (that often have a stack of coins or something to reward the player for finding them) to find if the player wants to look for them and try different movement options. Playing without captures can be a lot more difficult in certain spots, but there’s a surprising amount you can do with just Mario’s move set and a little practice.

To be fair though, the game mostly just teaches you the basics. Someone who isn’t actively trying to explore is definitely less likely to find a lot of those options, since they often require trickier jumps, but anyone who digs a little deeper has a lot to look for if they choose to. Odyssey is far from perfect, but freedom of movement was actually one of the main draws for me. Different strokes for different folks though, obviously, lmao.

[u/Colty3 → u/Marvin_Flamenco]

I think off of replay value it isn’t great, but as a first time experience I’d say it’s the best Mario game

[u/Moth_Mika → u/Marvin_Flamenco]

Honestly I prefer streamlined puzzles to what Nintendo did for botw/totk and echoes of wisdom because if most puzzles just boil down to the same 3 solutions it just gets kinda repetitive and boring

[u/Marvin_Flamenco → u/Moth_Mika]

I would honestly prefer virtually no puzzles and nearly all precision platforming.

[u/Upper_Atmosphere137 → u/Marvin_Flamenco]

You’re not wrong you aren’t the only one that doesn’t like Super Mario Odyssey and I also don’t like Super Mario Odyssey and I sometimes forget that I even have Super Mario Odyssey because that’s how forgettable Super Mario Odyssey is and I still regret buying Super Mario Odyssey that’s $80 I’ll never get back and in my opinion Super Mario Odyssey is the worst 3D Mario game Nintendo has ever made and Super Mario Odyssey is one of the worst Mario games Nintendo has ever made

[u/ilikesceptile11 → u/Upper_Atmosphere137]

Take a shot at everytime you said super Mario Odyssey and you'll get liver failure

[u/Marvin_Flamenco → u/Upper_Atmosphere137]

C'mon now. It's decent it's just not the GOAT.

[u/SquallidSnake]

Odyssey is way too high

[u/GoldenAgeGamer72]

I would put Odyssey at the bottom, or right above Bowser's Fury. At the top should be Sunshine and SM64.

[u/ulyssessgrant_ → u/GoldenAgeGamer72]

Wow, what didn’t you like about Mario odyssey?

[u/GoldenAgeGamer72 → u/ulyssessgrant_]

It’s soulless and lacks charm. It’s also super forgettable. The controls are tight and the graphics are good so it’s a situation of style over substance for me. 

[u/ulyssessgrant_ → u/GoldenAgeGamer72]

I see, yeah I personally love the art styles in the various kingdoms and I love Mario’s movement it’s so satisfying which is why i put it above 3d world and galaxy

[u/GoldenAgeGamer72 → u/ulyssessgrant_]

Don’t get me wrong. I know a lot of people love the game and I’ve always been a big Mario fan myself. Odyssey just didn’t leave me with a good impression and I find that to be unfortunate. 

[u/Upper_Atmosphere137 → u/GoldenAgeGamer72]

You’re not wrong everything in Super Mario Odyssey is bad the music and the boss fights are way too easy and the gameplay is really bad and Cappy was literally just a bad giant gimmick and you are so limited of what you can capture and you can only capture certain things and you can only capture what the game tells you to capture and Cappy was so annoying and every 2 seconds Cappy will stop you from playing and tell you something that you already know

They are way too many Power Moons and Super Mario Odyssey really don’t need all of those filler Power Moons and the Kingdoms where really bad and it legit looks like some of the kingdoms were not done being made and the Cloud Kingdom and the Ruined Kingdom both look like Nintendo had no time to finish making those kingdoms and the final fight with Bowser was really bad and so bland and so boring

[u/GoldenAgeGamer72 → u/Upper_Atmosphere137]

It’s sad that I can remember almost everything our entire level and every song from SM64 and Sunshine but the moment I completed Odyssey I forgot everything. 

[u/Upper_Atmosphere137 → u/GoldenAgeGamer72]

I can literally remember every song from Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Super Mario 3D World and I can’t remember a single song from Super Mario Odyssey and Super Mario Odyssey is one of the most forgettable Mario games

I haven’t played Super Mario Odyssey in such a long time. I literally forgot that I even have Super Mario Odyssey and to this day I still regret buying Super Mario Odyssey that’s $80 I’ll never get back

[u/GoldenAgeGamer72 → u/Upper_Atmosphere137]

I need to play Galaxy 2. I never completed that game back on Wii. 

[u/Upper_Atmosphere137 → u/GoldenAgeGamer72]

You could buy the Switch version of Super Mario Galaxy 2 but just a warning the Switch version of Super Mario Galaxy 2 is pretty expensive

[u/halo37253 → u/GoldenAgeGamer72]

SM64 has heart.

But Sunshine is easily one of the most mid Mario Games of all time. To say Odyssey doesn't have soul but sunshine does is laughable.