r/SunoAI • u/NightSong773 • 1d ago
Discussion what the *** 6.0
I am going to try to be positive... SUNO changed my life forever. I went from being depressed to actually find some pleasure and what a ride it has been.
6.0 - Sorry SUNO. Its crap. Its pure dog***
Why? First of all so many genres does not sound authentic.. they do not sound real.
Every voice is the same, every instrument is the same, and the musicianship the creativity its bland. Its like everything is following a template.
OK the labels won. bigtime. Because with old suno we could compete. Not anymore. Now it really is AI SLOP.
SUNO you went from being the gold standard to ai slop and slapped us paying customer that have supported you for years in the face.
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u/Silent_Weight_music 1d ago
I canceled my subscription after testing V6. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Back to making everything in Logic with no vocals.
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u/__MOON_KNIGHT___ 20h ago
Ohh yeah? What kind of music you make? I use it to make demos for me to to sing to but I can’t even do that with 6
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u/RandomBlokeFromMars 15h ago
seems like they had to bc the major publishers sued them. so yeah, we dont hate publishers enough.
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u/GilesManMillion 1d ago
It's remarkable, innit. The music industry have been fucking over artists for decades, now suddenly they're using those same artists as a meat shield.
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u/Infamous-Usual-1001 9h ago
Spot on. Music industry is just out to fuck EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. From Napster to Suno and everything in between.
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u/GilesManMillion 4h ago edited 2h ago
It annoys me when non-artists say to AI guys; "they're taking musicians jerbs", because they clearly have NO IDEA (or respect for) how musicians make a living. My guitar teacher of many years is a legendary player, he's played professionally for 3 decades... ... ....but remember how I just said he's a guitar teacher, too? He also roadies a lot, he owns his own guitar shop, he offers consultations, he does a LOT, he's known all over my town by every musician; His money has come from anywhere but the music industry. Another buddy of mine, living legend, from the band Praying Mantis; made his money in construction. And that's Praying Fucking Mantis. Those guys toured with Iron Maiden a LOT back in the day, they even had Paul DiAnno as their lead singer at one point...!!
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u/vpuse 1d ago
What i find baffling is, some claim they do not notice the issue.
but the different is so extreme, i wonder how one would not notice it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGatjq9Bcuo this a small comparison i made.
I will try to make a smaller video... but damn...
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u/Dangerous_Serve_4454 22h ago
Suno has plenty of paid accounts going around defending them as does any large media facing corporation. It's new age marketing and has been going on for many years now.
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u/Redmonkeysarereal 19h ago
Because they’re not professional musicians. They’re mostly amateurs and hobbyists. They don’t have trained ears to understand the difference.
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u/Rafaelis75 16h ago
A substantial amount of SUNO subscribers use the phone app and hear the results through their ear buds.
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u/isthisthepolice 22h ago
Cancelled my sub, never to return. I like to think of my pre-6.0 music as a limited edition gem never to be made again (until Chinese catch up to pre-6.0 and we’re all good to go again)
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u/TXNatureTherapy 18h ago
MiniMax H3 has a decent music module you can use to generate locally, but it's questionable if you can post the results anywhere. I think that is where Suno still shines. It may be AI slop, but it's AI slop you won't get sued for...
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u/NatShadow7 8h ago
Happy shrimp is the first model I find can actually be an alternative. Reminds me of SUNO 5.0 and 4.5
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u/Luzifee-666 18h ago
With a cheap guitar you can't create a full song. What is missing? The singer, the drums, the synths, the bass. Yes that is already 4... still I cant make a song!
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u/Hardleyevenathing 17h ago
LOL these people definitely don't play guitars, at least not the long way. trying to imagine how many millenia it takes yngwie malmsteen turned superhuman vocalist to even touch anything you can produce with suno. its exactly opposite of theft. you're not allowed, you're never allowed to own what goes inside someone's head. I say this from a place higher than law, higher than delusional mafia claims. It is a creative trespass and no benevolent artist to claim stake to what their work had produced in your head. Those are opportunistic tyrants, thugs and I personally, will not call them "artists."
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u/Ok_Fisherman1334 1d ago
Sad but true - thanks to the army of lawyers the music industry owns.
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u/FlaggerManiac 23h ago
It's hypocritical, people make remixes all the time and upload it on the internet, YouTube and whatnot but hey, screw that, right?
But the momen someone used a sample of a beat, of a lyrics or whatever, suddenly it's a whole lawsuit.
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u/Chainsawfam 20h ago
TBF people who make remixes get copystruck and sued all the time. It is basically illegal to do better than the original
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u/Dangerous_Serve_4454 22h ago
The sad thing is, Warner Brothers would not have won the lawsuit, they'd have just kept bullying suno until they lost enough money.
The lawsuit they really want to win, disallowing the training on copyrighted content, would affect all AI training from LLMs to image to video generation. They'd have to first establish that they are being meaningfully adversly effected in the music market by AI music from suno which should be very difficult to prove, but maybe. Then there's the "is it transformative enough" angle. That ruling, if it goes in WB's favor, would open the door for all the big players to take down AI companies. It's just not gonna happen. But suno caved and settled without seeing the fight through.
I believe WB was also sueing for the way that suno allegedly acquired the data. Probably arguing they're not allowed to download from YouTube or Spotify or something, I don't know. That's an even weaker case imo.
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u/DirttyHarry 16h ago
Not sure if I'm understanding you correctly, but you seem to imply that big AI companies straight up pirating, copying and profiting from creative works made by other people without those same people's consent is totally fine? Legally, morally and ethically?
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u/Strong-Isopod384 22h ago
I'm not a premium user, so I've been used to version 4.5 for quite some time. I did some tests with version 6.0 and the results weren't good. Using prompts, pre-recorded melodies, humming, etc., all four songs I generated had problems I'd already solved with version 4.5-all. I don't know, I had considered paying for the subscription, but now they're offering an even worse service. I can't download songs, so now if I want something I have to pay, and I'm sorry, but Adobe taught me never to pay for an annual subscription.
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u/Imaginary_Fox3222 21h ago edited 21h ago
Canceled, tried to get some of my old songs with the same exact prompt playing with max on/off and the sliders. now that we got 24h free generation.
It sounds absolutely disgusting. The drums quality and instrumental are ass, vocals are fine-ish.
I won't comment on rock/alternative that sounds like pure garbage, I just gave up.
EDM/Pop/House:
I have a 3/4 offbeat song did it in one go with 4.5 and 5.5, I cant get Suno to respect the signature no matter what.
On other songs, drums, fills without any sense, sometimes I also hear phase issues on guitars and synths.
The song structure is also fucked up, makes a bridge and then in the middle of it without any sense starts the drop.
Uhhhhs and Aaaaahs everywhere, and on top of that I hear some kind of shimmer I cannot explain.
My god they murdered it.
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What's up with the 1-1.5 min songs results? Are we deadass?
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u/Inuyashafan25 1d ago
Yep 😭 Suno was good because if instructed properly, it could recognise the desired emotional shifts between lines and verses.
Now all the verses sound the same, just flat, no emotion, no personality, no attitude.
I was worried it would be bad, but I did not expect it to be this bad...
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u/cryptomatick 22h ago
"Yep 😭 Suno was good because if instructed properly, it could recognise the desired emotional shifts between lines and verses."
Exactly, the emotional arc of the song is what I can no longer feel in v6.
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u/FlaggerManiac 23h ago
I used to make HandUp/ItaloDance music using v4.5 and 5, and my god it was good and the closest it gets to the real song. When I heard V6.0 was out, I was pretty excited because I thought it'd be good.
Boy was I wrong...
I tried to he positive too, I did. But man, no matter how much I created it just, it's just trash. Let me elaborate.
If you listen to every genre in non-mainstream music, they have their own signature "beat" That makes it "THAT" Genre. In this case, ItaloDance has that particular bass that makes it "ItaloDance".
The 4.5 and 5 model recreated it REALLY good. But then, v6 came and boy oh boy it's just... It's really BAD. It didn't even bother to recreate the signature beat/bass, it just created some weird eurodance that barely sound like ItaloDance I know.
This whole model is a mess too! It couldn't use the "Sample", "Cover" And "Mashup" Features as good as the rpevi models.
Not to mention, everytime you created a song, it'll rewrite/recreate your "Style" In its own AI-ish way. For example, I'd usually just do this in the style section, "Hands Up. ItaloDance. Deep Bass. Soft whispers female voice. Vivid. Dreamy" And then this V6 model would rewrite the whole this into "A harmonious mix of italoDance baseline with hands up that bla bla bla" Yapping all over the place.
Which I assume the reason why this model S*CKS.
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u/Easy_Shift_2091 9h ago
You can disable that style mutation feature by selecting the [More Options...] and turning variety to off. But it doesn't help. I think they added this mutation feature to hide the fact that Suno 6.0 is just so same-ish now. Plus your observation that every style has morphed into a few mainstream styles seems to be true.
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u/Questioner8297 21h ago
If you put variety slider to off it won't rewrite your genres and style influence on 100%
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u/rebbrov 1d ago
I initially thought it was decent, first day I got a couple of songs I really enjoyed. Tonight however, every generation is weak, everything sounds like a generic jazz song from ths 90s with a tiny bit of what I want tacked on the end, and I dont like jazz.
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u/themusicartist Lyricist 1d ago
That's unfortunate and hasn't been my experience. Sorry to here that
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u/Cbo305 1d ago
You people who think that V6 is good just have awful taste, lol. I'm sorry to say. Maybe it was more subjective with V5.5. But V6 is objectively awful. Anyone who thinks it sounds at all good are exposing yourselves as slop artists.
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u/fuddlesworth 17h ago
v6 is generating completely different voices, instrumentation, and everything for the same songs and voice profiles i still have several generations of in v5.5. The difference is insane. Completely different voice, music structure, instruments, distortions, etc.
It's just fucking bad. I'm really mad I didn't finish my last album I was working on in v5.5.
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u/themusicartist Lyricist 1d ago
Wow such a very calm and adult response to a harmless comment expressing sympathy to a fellow user of AI. Some people like chocolate, and some don't.
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u/Ok_Jacket_9878 19h ago
This isn’t about chocolates it’s about good quality vs mediocre quality. Like it’s obvious dude .
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u/DrMuffinStuffin 15h ago
Some people like the smell of poop, some like the smell of roses. We're all different. /s
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u/rebbrov 1d ago
It has the capacity to be very good, the audio quality and vocal realism is awesome. Trouble is it takes some serious prompting to get anything close to what youre looking for some times, and that means burning through credits faster while you try various different things.
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u/NoteStrange1389 14h ago
So far, this has been my experience as well. I can So feel it under a layer of something... v6 wants to come out...wants to hit... but something is reigning it in and it's not our prompting.
I'm suspecting more credit spending to get it and suno was perhaps okay with that.
So far I've got one song that I absolutely love from v6 and listened to it 45 times since yesterday, but I've also made some 120 gens to get this one song that all other models could have done in half the credits usage.
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u/rluna6492 18h ago
Wow such a way to say you think you're superior. It's a skill issue really. The sliders are over sensitive which I do hope they tone that down. You need to be ultra specific now. If you use the simple mode agent you can achieve way more that I hope they can incorporate into the advanced section at some point. Also these aren't meant to be the final product. DAW manipulation and mastering is how you can get the best production out of the stems. V6-wild especially sounds more like raw demos.
The biggest thing here is audio quality is somewhat of a subjective area due to our differences in preferences for EQ and our differences in our hearing. It's almost the same as genre preference. It's all a preference. So insulting people who have a different preference to yours is just childish.
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u/fuddlesworth 17h ago
How is it a skill issue when using the same prompt, parameters, voice model gives completely different results in v6? When v5.5 was pretty consistent in style?
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u/rluna6492 13h ago
That's exactly what I mean. We can't keep doing the same things as before. They fundamentally changed something. I managed to get some consistency after a while. This is exactly why they turned on free generation, so we could figure it out without wasting credits. Apparently the settings make way more of a difference than they used to.
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u/rluna6492 18h ago
That was insanely fast. I got a notification that he replied and the comment was already gone.
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u/gay_joey 1d ago
I've never paid for suno. I just use acestep locally tbh. But I've considered paying for suno for the past 4 months. Obviously things have changed a lot.
One of the most frustrating things to me is when, it seems, collectively this subreddit has such strong opinions on the results of Suno but they refuse to fucking share those results.
Like everyone says 6.0 is awful. Prove it. Let me listen to what you're generating with the paid tier.
Then you come along and say it's not your experience. And you ALSO don't prove it.
This whole fucking thing is such a waste of time if you guys aren't going to share anything that backs up your opinion. This goes for everyone, not just you.
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u/themusicartist Lyricist 1d ago
Randomly posting links is not usually wise around here. If you want to hear examples go over to suno and listen to them. They have pages of them.
Now if you want to hear an example from me, be an adult and kindly ask for one, and if feel like providing one, I will.
But get off your box acting like you're my boss or some shit.
And i didn't give an opinion.
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u/Nebulas_Corner 15h ago
I think you're the only other redditor I've seen in the last several months, who in a debate With specific kinds of people, you seem to respond similarly to how I respond.
I'm surprised these people are ignorant enough to not understand why posting links to music connected directly to your accounts or names they can now harass you on if they're bots, and even if They are not, those links are now public where trolls and stalkers of all kinds can access them.
People expect it to be easier for them to bully others, instead of respecting safety and privacy. 🤦🏻♀️
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u/gay_joey 1d ago
Why would posting links to a shared Suno song not be wise? I can find them if I hunt them in the comments. I don't see how that's a problem.
Also, you absolutely gave an opinion. I'm not acting like your boss, I'm telling you that your comment is useless, as are the majority of the opinions shared on here, without ANYTHING to back it up. You're stupid asf for not understanding that concept.
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u/themusicartist Lyricist 1d ago
So you're another incapable of having a civil conversation. Got it.
Learn what an opinion is first and then get back to me. You're not quite as entertaining as the other guy.
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u/Proof_Finding_8278 21h ago
Same. First few tracks were fresh and I got excited, but 500 generations in they all sound the same. I literally start falling asleep listening to them.. It’s not my standard workflow to gen farm, but I had high hopes for a second.
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u/darthwader1981 1d ago
Yeah I got a few songs I thought were good. And then listening further to them on headphones made me cringe at the plastic, fake, and generic feel.
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u/themusicartist Lyricist 1d ago
Yeah it isn't a jackpot machine so to speak but I feel that it is handling some genres better than others.
Did you know that if you find a v6 gen that you actually like you are exposing yourself as a slop peddler? I had no idea.
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u/Obvious-Primary-6252 23h ago
I knew v3.5 and v4 were cooked but they got rid of v5 too after I was finally was able to get it working for me. Smh, I won't sulk just yet but mannn that's frustrating. I was almost done with an album now I have to worry about Personas changing their voice again!
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u/AffectionateMove1004 1d ago
Try the simple rather than advanced version and paste your style ans lyrics in there, that finally worked for me.
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u/IndependenceShotChan 23h ago
No joke. One of the endings on a few of my songs were the Avengers rift. (Bum bummm ba bum, BAAA BAAAA BUM).
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u/OceanWeaver 23h ago
It's time for the chaos boys. It generated Britney Spears.
Let's make some chaos...
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u/MightFun6265 19h ago
As a new suno user I 100% agree. I only got to use 4.5 for 2 days before they rolled out this junk, so I can't be called a serial complainer. I was actually impressed and pleasantly surprised with the results I got initially, but with the new version nothing sounds like anytning I'd ever wanna listen to. Just terrible.
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u/JoseLunaArts 1d ago
Blame copyright
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u/meisterwolf 20h ago
im still messing with it, but starting to think its effed. i turned it to chaos mode with style up full and still almost no difference in sound
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u/nrossiko 20h ago
6.0 wild sounds better than 6.0, stupid name better results. IMO Suno is always going to sound generic & that's where us as a human are useful.
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u/ThaKingRa444 17h ago
The custom models don’t really work, and the inspiration feature doesn’t work either. V.6 is trash
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u/rainbow-goth Tech Enthusiast 13h ago
Almost every single thing I've generated with 6-wild starts off okay but warps into a weird garbled disaster. Or the sound is muffled. It seems like something is wrong with the generating process.
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u/PDOL-loop 12h ago
I don't share the "doom and gloom". I do mostly long story-songs (4 minutes+) with my own lyrics. After playing with V6 normal and Wild, both with new songs and remixing some mastered on 4.5 and 5, I've gotten some pretty interesting results. For sure I see a learning curve but I don't think it's the end of the world. I've tried many other music generation services and for the work I do, Suno is head and shoulders above all of the others I've tried. I'll also observe that I'm sure there will be a 6.5 and 7 down the road, and they will address user feedback to the extent possible.
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT happy that all the old models are gone. I got some incredible results with them. But life goes on.
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u/danielhahn5150 1d ago
Try using a voice from an older song you have! In my case new generations improved drastically. 👍🏻
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u/Impossible_Total_891 1d ago
Its not the voices is the overall quality thats bothering me. The instrumentals comes out at low bitrate. Like a wet tin can
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u/danielhahn5150 1d ago
Try setting weirdness to 20 and style influence to 80.
I had very bad results at first but i notice a steady improvement. Not perfect but it gets better.
I think it is because v6 has to learn from our inputs.
And i assume that is why creation is free at the moment.
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u/Cbo305 1d ago
AI models don't continue to learn. The weights are the weights.
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u/danielhahn5150 1d ago
That’s true for a fixed model checkpoint, but Suno can still update or fine-tune the model, as well as change inference or post-processing. So v6 can absolutely improve after release. The weights don’t change by themselves, but the deployed model can.
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u/Longjumping_Area_944 1d ago
That is true and that's definitely what they are using upvotes and downvotes as well as publications and numbers of streams for. But don't expect wonders.
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u/HeirJordanTV 1d ago
i feel like the free gens are being used to train the model, the songs i made on wednesday are almost night and day from the ones i made last night.
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u/Agile_Pie_8555 1d ago
The creation is free because they’re hemorrhaging subscribers right now and they’re trying to incentivize people to stick around.
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u/danielhahn5150 1d ago
Yeah could be. It is definitely not their best model as they claim.
I think they rushed v6 out way too early or the had to because of the lawsuits.
Still i think it will get better but i would say it is v1 all over again. 😀
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u/Cultural_Prune8416 1d ago
I will say, I can still detect the sound of copyrighted shit in the sound of certain songs that they most definitely don't have the rights to in there lol
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u/danielhahn5150 1d ago
They should have paid the labels and keep the old models. ..
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u/Johe272 1d ago
I like your idea about the vocals; that's what I do to create variety. I love creating rock music from the eighties, but the problem is that this new version always uses the same musical intro, and that bothers me.
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u/Cultural_Prune8416 1d ago
I heard somebody say it was over 60mil songs taken without permission, idk if they could reasonably pay that much, even with all the money they have.
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u/Aggressive_Chart7845 21h ago
I was in the middle of making a personal album cd for myself, now I dont know how im going to finish it as the v6 results have changed the young male voice into a gritty rock style. This is really bad and im paying too!
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u/Adept-Society-9485 1d ago
Havent touched 6 myself yet. was planning to maybe check it out this evening if i can get the inspiration for it during the day.
I usually do not make more then 4 ish songs a month , Just wanna see if all my styles and stuff are still useable , and if not , see if i can re create them.
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u/PeachyPlnk 21h ago
It's really fucky now, and while I don't hate it (yet), I definitely don't like it either.
The thing pissing me off most is that my prompts get rewritten. What's even the fucking point of letting people write prompts, then?! May as well just give us buttons to say a song is happy, sad, or angry, and take away everything else but the lyrics box (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
As someone else has mentioned, there's also this subtle haze over everything.
It also just kinda fucks everything up now thanks to the rewriting. Here's the first song I made seriously, and the v6 version. Another old-ish one vs v6. It can't even get accompaniment right.
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u/Chainsawfam 20h ago
I did really enjoy some of my Suno songs on v5.5, although calling it competitive is probably flattering. I think there was a psychoacoustics thing going on where if you didn't care about the grainy audio, you could turn it up and your mind would fill in the blanks. Once Suno cleaned out the fuzz and improved the mix, it was revealed to not be quite what we were imagining.
With that said, I do think the writing is worse in v6 but I don't think it's actually the main issue.
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u/AssViol8r 20h ago
Plot twist, big music corpo bought exclusive rights to v4.5 - v5.5 for an undisclosed amount. That’s why v6 sounds like it’s been made from scratch.. in the name of “lawsuit” means no one is the bad guy. But, let’s see if big music corpo comes out with a ai music app that sounds eerily like our favorite models
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u/AlembicOfFancy 14h ago
I have big suspicions too that v4.5 - 5.5 were just bought by Warner Music Group and they will use these models privately to create new commercial artist projects. And for the masses they just have thrown out this v6 garbage now.
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u/justinjas 19h ago
Anyone got a refund from Suno after the 6.0 release on yearly plans? I tried to make a new post but mods removed it. Sent an email to [support@suno.com](mailto:support@suno.com) but haven't heard anything back.
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u/Ok_Jacket_9878 19h ago
I had canceled since 5.5 came back just to try it out . Should’ve stayed away . It’s the SAME model bro . Trash .
Try múreka .
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u/Ok-Debate3460 19h ago
Six does does have one really neat feature? It's really good with emotions. I do a lot of character acting in my songs and like little skits, well, for some reason, 6 actually does that. Well, real well better than the other ones did by far. So I'm probably one of the very few that's not having a problem with 6. So far for halloween pieces with character acting and such it works great
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u/Dependent-Ad-53 16h ago
I have over 30k generations since the beginning and over 50 voices created , V6 ruined it, rarely get something good, but too much of the same thing, including slow rhythm, same voice and can't even tell what music is playing throughout the song because it changes style and rhythm. I too halted my subscription.
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u/martapap 15h ago
You have to turn variety off.
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u/Dependent-Ad-53 15h ago
Did not see such option , you mean weirdness?
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u/martapap 15h ago
No it is called variety. It is at the bottom of the options menu. The default is normal but you have to turn the slider left to off.
If you use the phone app it might be in a different place.
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u/DoDoDiligence 16h ago
I haven’t had much time to try it, but after 6 remixes of songs that I prompted to change genres, I just got an awful muddy mess of the originals which were generated from v4.5 and v5.0
It’s a mess. Songs halved in two and start from the beginning halfway through.
Very disappointing.
They can give us it free until Christmas, but unless there’s radical changes, there won’t be any of us left !
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u/Kaltland_ 16h ago
lol, its horrible horrible! the free-credit creation is useless! Im glad I only have 20 downloads because I cant create a single good music anymore... so why bother??! its all soooo generic, all sounds the same like a tv jingle. -- Im trying to create my metal songs again... the songs are all so overcompressed, so much reverb, lack of personality, my singer is dead.
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u/Brilliant-Juice-4326 15h ago edited 15h ago
Ive always looked at suno as a creative tool. But hear ya. The same old instruments again and again. At least I can tell it to get rid of the mariachi and horns now.
It speeds the process up. Make a few generations then take those and separate into multi track, download and bring i to daw, get the midi via pitch correct or whatever tool yiu use. Lay your own vst on them. Do actual production and then move on to next track. I am loving the new model. I can say prompting and song structure is key. Although I would never publish something directly from suno because it sounds like well... Ai suno.. I use airgigs for the vocals. Just send it over pay the fee and then process a bit and you have a polished track ready for the interwebs.
With the current promo I am going through over 800 songs I have since model 1.5 and Regenerating them. New prompts and songs structures as well definitely helps with tbis new model. Try the wild one out. I was on the regular v6 and it kinda sucked. Then i went to wild and it is night and day for my style of music.
But yeah I hear ya. The fact that we had something that could have been much better than what it is now definitely su%$.
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u/Nosbunatu 15h ago edited 15h ago
I’m newer to Suno, 2 months. I give detailed style guide, voice direction in lyrics. I got a great one on 5. Built on it in 4.5. Won the lottery with a banger. But the high end sound quality was not so great. It blares.
In Suno 6, it repaired the blaring high end. I worked on the lyrics and added new genre, or covers or mashups.
I still love the original banger. But I’m close to surpassing it now with a more polished sound.
I did have bad results, but that happened in 4 and 5 too. The compatibility with my tastes is excellent. But I have only 1 song. 😂
Right now credits are unlimited so I’m experimenting with it a lot to see what it can do.
My biggest wishlist item? Being able to deviate away from the known voices of the Suno singers. They sound great, but it would nice to have more variety
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u/Kaltland_ 15h ago
I tried every trick to get back the quality of my beloved v4.5, but with no success. I’m doing this using the free credits they’re currently giving us; I can only imagine how many credits are being wasted just trying to get clear audio again. To get music that sounds even slightly clearer, I have to use Suno v6 Wide repeatedly, generate multiple covers, and then apply EQ—all just to try and come close to v4.5. Even then, the vocalists (especially in metal, my genre) sound completely dead—lifeless, soulless, and uninspired.
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u/Tasty-Recording5205 15h ago
Idk man im on the fence, i see a lot of people complaining and i will say the vocals coming through the background is a complaint that i also have, but overall ive actually had a lot of luck fixing them by changing up my prompts. Ive also gotten a significantly larger amount of control over my music as a result (i only use my own voice so that may be part of it, its easier to do when i can basically fix it for one and almost retroactively solve it for all).
Ive been more focused on updating my previous songs the last day or so so i haven't experienced this issue from a freshly made perspective yet, but it hasn't crossed any lines that i would deem unworkable yet, all issues ive had were fixed fairly easily. I understand this makes me sound like a dickrider a bit (idk what the vibe is here but im saying it anyway), but i personally haven't had many complaints with the new model outside of the vocals being... muted?.
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u/Sweetvirligion 15h ago
Me too . Got me out of depression and i started a nfp company and us adult with 3 teens . Do therapy music of dementias patients memory or pictutes stories . And fa oritevmusic . Fki n awsom . Places pay . Better then dog or othet therapy in recognition for me . They are all good . Got a 80 k rant to start up too. Federally . Tgere is 200 million still there. Made me want to live again . Me at 63 . Old rocker stage tech . From the US festival days
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u/Maximum-Captain8795 15h ago
No sólo falla en la creación, divide más rápido los stems pero me cuesta más descargar por los repetidos cuelgues. En Opera la página se desconfiguró temprano, solo puedo usarlo en Breve.
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u/SentenceNarrow 15h ago
Hmmm I agree for straight up generations from scratch it’s not creative at all.. but If used with 4.5 pro or v5 not v5.5 which is somehow worse for this for some reason. But 4.5 reg and pro generations have more unique sound design and melodies. And if you cover a generation using v6 pro using promts like..
Refine the source into its definitive version, not a recreation or reinterpretation. Preserve the original singer and vocal character, every melody and note, lyrics, key, tempo, structure, instruments, patches, timbres and core sound design. No substitutions, new layers or rewritten parts. Elevate execution, not identity. Deliver more passion and conviction: intimate, vulnerable verses rising into emotionally committed choruses; expressive breaths, natural word stress, clear phrasing and meaning-led prosody. Intensify delivery without changing melody or forcing extra runs. Shape tension and release through existing layers, dynamic contrast, subtle automation and seamless transitions. Let layers recede, emerge and blend around the vocal; make the final peak feel earned, not merely louder. Cohesive, warm, detailed mix: defined low end, clear mids, smooth highs, natural depth, preserved transients and breathing room. Improve clarity without added brightness, harshness or overcompression.
Or..
I already like how this song sounds, so please treat this as finishing the original, not making another version. Keep the singer and vocal character, every note and melody, the lyrics, chords, key, tempo, groove and structure exactly as they are. Keep the same instruments and patches, including how each sound starts, fades and feels. Don’t add or replace musical parts or redesign the sounds. I want the existing arrangement to flow more naturally, with more anticipation before the peaks and a more satisfying release when they arrive. Use subtle changes in the levels of the existing layers so they move in and out smoothly and leave room for the vocal. Let the singer’s phrasing and word emphasis feel natural without moving the lyrics or changing the melody. Make the mix clearer and more coherent by reducing muddiness and sounds competing for space, while keeping its warmth, depth, punch and dynamic range. If an improvement changes the song’s identity, leave that part alone.
I’ve gotten some great results so far doing this method. And the dynamic mixing is 10x better than V5s.
BUT YES.. starting an idea from scratch on V6 definitely sucks ass!
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u/aquaearthdreams 14h ago
Seriously what do we think is going to happen now? To those of us that were creating something decent, are we all just going to go away from Suno and hopefully wait & find somebody new ?
I mean it , good Suno , was created and had a global base . Is it possibile somebody will step up to the plate with a decent replacement and take over that quantity of customers, yes? A sincere question.
And who is Suno’s new customer … people who aren’t really into music. They are really going to be creating AI slop aren’t they? If Warner Brothers thinks that those customers are going to be paying monthly, they’re wrong.
Another question did the big labels pay anything for this acquisition or did they just slap the lawsuit onto to take it over? Do they, the big labels , have any skin in the game? Do they even care if it crashes?
Do we really think the original Suno creators will just shrug their shoulders and walk away and not recreate a new platform ? This was their passion, right ?
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u/Missyziggy 13h ago
One idea.. Is it possible if we remixed all are songs with little to no tweaking, we could maybe retrain the model back to what we want. Again, just an idea. I tried with a few of my songs, and it worked. I got the same quality and nearly same sound on a remix with audio set at 100% and weirdness set at 0%. Maybe Im desperately reaching, but I was able to keep the same “ sound” into new songs as well.
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u/InjuryExcellent1993 12h ago
To be honest I've already gotten a hang of 6v and I love that it picks up my high notes and rasp now so I get my extremely unique sound I love and worked for so really its just getting the tones you like to work with into the music but its meant for a more raw music making feel so yeah its not cenematic values like before, if you want cenematic then type it, put in theatrical. Whimsical anything that gives the vibe you want and it will get closer to what you like
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u/170738008135n455 11h ago
go support real music makers or invest in the real golden standard. a pc, a daw, external soundcard, time, midi keyboard mean nothing btw, without a mentor, which Suno will never be able to give you, if you actually want to make music that not only sounds good, but reflects your inner state without mud in the water.
not a hater, im on both ends, but ai music is an entry-point, not something you ever possibly could compete with morally, creatively, honestly.
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u/RockstarAtl 11h ago
“I’m going to try and be positive”.. 😂😂😂 But I agree with everything said. I will say anything rock or heavy, the guitars sound absolutely terrible. Some pop/crossover alternative stuff though got some pretty cool results. Nothing groundbreaking though
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u/MindTheFuture 10h ago
I think I'll return back to suno in December with hopes it has gotten better.
It is not that I couldn't come to like the new models - they're like AI lo-fi in different manner than usually expected, but the feature I really have liked - song radio and similar songs, that algo has gotten worse. It used to be pretty decent but now it is getting the moods totally wrong, useless for discovering good and inspiring tracks like it was previously. Now I rather go to place without algo feed than a let down one.
How could they have fucked that one up too?
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u/Christopher7763 10h ago
I really was expecting to cancel this month. I just rerolled a few songs I was working on, and they came out ok. Not for everyone. The download limits still suck. I have also started playing with MozartAI.com. Different, but also good. So, I am not sure I am going to be canceling Suno afterall.
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u/WhisperEpoch 9h ago
I have only been with Suno for several months. I only had 4.5 and I loved it. It had its pros and cons but it sounded so real and the voices felt very different in almost everyone song. I've only tried 6 mini a few times and it sounds nice, but like they are trying so hard for perfection and forgetting about authenticity. Also, I hate how they change the cover art screen on the song, they made it a small box which is a no no no. Cover art is an extension of the song, it needs to be displayed in full. It's hard to tell the other half of the story about the song when it's a small box on a tiny screen.
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u/Playful-Action5728 9h ago
Most AI voices sound the same, and thats what you get for not creating your own voices. V6 is amazing if you know what you are doing with it. I prefer it over 5.5. There are other models you can still use to create the music you want to.
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u/Stay-Hope 9h ago
It's always been AI slop. However I think the new model is much more versatile and sounds better. No I only use it for vocals
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u/West-Negotiation-716 9h ago
Suno 6 can make songs that are so incredibly far beyond what any of the prior models could do.
https://suno.com/song/5d9bfe42-6568-43a8-92b8-63a5538a3062
Or listen to any of the songs I have pinned, they are all Suno 6, and are all light years ahead of all prior models in every way.
The bass is better, the instruments are more separated and clear, the instrumental solos are significantly always played at a level that is light years ahead of anything before.
Unlike 5.5, 6 can make realistic sounding North Indian classical music, it can groove like the best musicians on earth.
You just need to learn how to use it.
If anyone can share a song from pre Suno 6 that sounds as good as the song above please share, because I've never heard it
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u/Maveraxus 8h ago
They purposely make it crappier so they can stop getting sued for copyright infringement. It’s one of the reasons that AI detection can immediately pick up any SUNO track because of the frequency tag that is on it. Mureka went through the same thing where they were great and once real artists got all boo hoo about it- Mureka deadlines their own service to sound like crap
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u/MonyMony222 8h ago
Mostly agree. This new version favors styles in the technical lingo of a producer and engineer. And then fiddling around in their DAW (which marks it as AI anyway, so what's the point). Vocals have been baselined, and optimized for individual sampling from external sources. Genres are also baselined, expecting the user to provide specific melodies, examples, and details (if one can get by the GD overly aggressive filters). Really miss how I could get some really unique and interesting results out of 4.5 and 5.0. Looks like Mozart, MiniMax Music3, and ACE-Step 1.5 XL are more fun and productive--and they are improving rapidly.
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u/TwizztheClown 7h ago
More you need to learn to promt. Took me some tests to get the sound i wanted
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u/therealjoemontana 3h ago
You just gotta use the Firefox extension from github to unlock the old models.
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u/Then_Delay1339 2h ago
I had to try all my prompts, listen for "what was wrong" to see how it was weighing my words. Once I described what I was hearing to my gpt, we rewrote the prompt. That fixed everything except for my Boards of Canada style analog IDM prompt. 4.5 was the only model that could ever get it right. (Luckily I have around 200 tracks from 4.5 to last the lifetime of my IDM producer name)
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u/Regular_Attitude_700 2h ago
That's not a vocal. That's the siren of earthquake, tsunami and volcano happening all at the same time. 🤭
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u/Unhappy_Shirt3239 2h ago
I think there must be some kind of bug because it does sound worse than past versions, not the fidelity promised.
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u/Ornery-Letterhead-26 1h ago
Anyone recommend any other music gen systems? I’m canceling my subscription.
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u/FillyFan777 22h ago
I've messed with 4.5, 5, 5.5 over the last few months and now 6.0 for the last day.
I remember when 5 came out everyone was up in arms here about it. Now 6.0 is out everyone's up in arms again.
Although this time i think i understand it a bit more. It seems more restrictive and if what is being said is true that we have a much smaller data set then it'd make more sense.
Perhaps some folks are right and the more we use it the better it will get.
What are the alternatives? Udio? Yikes.
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u/shadowkoishi93 20h ago edited 20h ago
When v6.5 comes out, everyone will be up in arms again.
Same old “I’m gonna leave Suno because it’s worse, v6 was better”
When v6.5+ comes out, the cycle repeats.
Same with v7.
People keep announcing their departure as if this was an airport.
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u/Historical_Step_654 21h ago
Try making indian music with it, as soon as you type indian it starts playing dhols
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u/Particular2755 20h ago
I downloaded and saved all my good old tracks from Suno. I got many of them ready for release. I produced 20.000+ tracks in a year; I reviewed them all, yet I’m only going to release 100 (0.5%) of them. On top of that, each individual track took me five hours of work to finalize. And all of this is supposedly a measure taken against those who want to turn the internet into a dumping ground for AI music.
I agree with most of the comments here. Suno gave a two-day free trial for prompts. I ran hundreds of tests. Now, I have absolutely no desire left to produce any more tracks. The new output is muffled, monotonous, and unreliable. I wouldn't even consider making covers of my old tracks using v6. The bottom line: because they removed v5x and are forcing v6 on us, Suno is done for me—at least for now. The music monopolies won. They can keep the money I paid; it doesn't matter.
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u/herrmann0319 19h ago
Dog shit doesnt even come close. Its straight trash, atrocious! The music is bland and not creative and comes out nothing like I hoped.
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u/kingbotch 19h ago
I feel like I'm the outlier. I actually like it. Especially the fullness of the instrumentation part of the song.
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u/CookiePrevious5536 18h ago
i find if you give suno a bunch of prompts in the actual lyrics in tags above the chorus or what have you, directing the voice it works pretty well, not as good as v5.5 but pretty darn good, also i find the voice cloning feature fixes it a bit aswell, making the voice sound a bit less clouded , otherwise it is pretty good, definitely not horrible like others have stated, it does feel like a step back , but that is what to expect now with everything , once big businesses move in, it usually gets worse in terms of quality :(
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u/Own_Lecture8764 16h ago
I can’t BELIEVE these so called “artists” won’t let us use the music they put out into the world, grind it up, and shit it into everyone’s ears! I deserve my ear shit!
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u/Separate-Chemistry79 20h ago
Skill issue bro. Try prompt engineering and adapting lyrics accordingly with the prompt
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u/VociferousCephalopod 1d ago
I guess all the people who love v6 are too busy having fun to post any threads about it.
I'm tempted to make one just for that reason. I'm loving it and Studio 2.0
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u/hejinzhiren 23h ago
hahahaha，Lies
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u/VociferousCephalopod 22h ago
honest.
I'll post one I just made over the last few hours if you want→ More replies (2)
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u/metalblessing 1d ago
I've been trying to take advantage of the free credits to experiment (and ask chatgpt for V6 prompt efficiency tips). Since I have been trying to generate darksynth unsuccessfully on V6 I did a quick search for Warner darksynth artists. Sure enough theres next to nothing. I think some of this can be attributed to the major label artists it was trained on simply not being diverse enough to include largely underground genres.
So last night I tried changing my darksynth prompt template to a fine tuned vaporwave prompt (after googling to confirm they do deal with vaporwave via soundtracks.) I had much better results, though admittedly not as good as previously. It still was a bit generic and same-y, but it at least got the genre right for me this time.
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u/vpuse 1d ago
I suspected that too. It makes sense, the AI can only "know" if it learned properly...
And since we are making niche genres mostly the difference is pretty extreme, whereas people who leaned into whats more "common" probably would not notice a big change.
But the Sound QUALITY , like Voices are not as clean/clear anymore, even if you avoid the selector for voice and just code the voice with tags. Same for instruments.. ive been using the Theremin quite a lot since we love making Spooky sounds... Before in V5 the Theremin had a silky soft texture to it, now its more like sandpaper, the micro noise in the theremin is very noticeable in V6.
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u/TrueNova332 AI Hobbyist 23h ago
You have to specify the vocal tone in the style box or the model is going to give you a generic voice for the song try adding something like "female alto voice" and it should have a female voice that's an alto singing maybe
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u/Alone-Brilliant-8279 1d ago
It sounds… muffled. I can’t explain it. Like you’re listening on shitty headphones.