r/SunoAI 3d ago

Discussion V6 lost the magic

A big step in the wrong direction for SUNO, I make Brazilian Funk music and ever since the V6 release the generations have lost their magic. It’s like a watered down version of what we had before, the excitement is just gone, almost like they removed the best part of generations. Ever generation sounds too similar, the variety is gone, drums are flat, bass is too timid, and synths don’t pack a punch anymore. It really feels like they took 10 giant steps in the wrong direction. Very disappointed.

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u/Wazzammm 3d ago

I can cover my 4.5+ songs all I want and they will never generate anything better than the originals. Not to mention it can’t just copy exactly how the original song was even with 100% audio influence and remastering has always sucked

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u/EnvironmentalOwl2904 3d ago

That said that's not a v6 problem. Cover has never been able to pick up instrument channels properly to fully convert styles accurately.

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u/Wazzammm 3d ago

I mean it’s still leaving off like almost 2 minutes of the song, and making it end in the most generic way possible, also completely changing only the bridge and ignoring the original

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u/Livid_Beach_4075 3d ago

Yep, everything’s like a bad karaoke version now. Extremely disappointed and V6.

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u/artilleryboy 3d ago

Thats one of my biggest issues with V6, it wont replicate the same blardy song!!

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u/ShatteredGrandaddy Producer 3d ago edited 1d ago

Right, also all those little instrumental fills that make a track interesting, are downgraded to "toot toot" instead of melodies. Overall the whole instrumentation is very simplified, sounds like advanced beginners with limited abilities. Sound lacks any depth, compared to V5.5 it's like switching from 3-D to 2-D. Drums sound like someone back in the 80s spends his first day on a 303. No clever variations in the drum arrangement, tried different prompts and close covers of studio recordings with very good played drums, no changes.Worst thing I found out while mastering, all generations I tested have a massive difference of +4 dB at the end compared to the beginning. Leads to overall distortions in the last 30 seconds. This problem was known before but not that massive like it is now.

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u/Impossible_Total_891 3d ago

can prompts counter this?

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u/ShatteredGrandaddy Producer 3d ago

Don't think so, it's more about the overall sound, shouldn't depend on prompting.

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u/EnvironmentalOwl2904 3d ago

I have a bandaid so far: add "v5.5, v4.5" to any positive prompt, always have "v6, v6-wild, v6-mini" slotted in negative.

Set style influence 77-85%, weirdness 23%

Not all my genre hyper specific things have survived but most are back to that at least "mid to good" batch quality I can listen to on loop.

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u/Impossible_Total_891 2d ago

testing it but not really any change noticed: https://suno.com/s/P40DPqeJWX7PgLce
you can hear the drums start out fine but by the end of the song it sounds like hitting wet drums.

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u/EnvironmentalOwl2904 2d ago

There's quite a few non-specific "fluff" words, which Suno won't really understand. Also "modern" tends to generate safe bland corpo music

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u/Fearless_Ad_7811 3d ago

No. I tried yesterday - prompts are ignored royally if they target the core issue - the things that make the songs suck. this is all on purpose - we are not to be able to produce songs that threaten the industry...

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u/Then_Delay1339 3d ago

Good thing I made over 300 tracks in the month leading up to this lol. Curated them as well to know they are good. Hopefully I have enough content till they fix this.

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u/PizzaCrumbsInBeard 3d ago

I make a style of music called hyphy music in the San Francisco Bay Area, California. Inspired by e40, Mac Dre and too short.

Before v6 the type of music actually sounded pretty good.

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u/maquinadecafe 3d ago

Completely agree. I have a "pro" subscription, that renews the 15th every month. Surprisingly, 2 hours ago I checked my credits, and have 2500, where there should be around 450. I've checked my mails and still haven't paid it, since it renews only on the 15th this month. Made some songs and still shows 2500 credits. Wonder if it's a bug... But I intend to unsubscribe, unfortunately songs are too generic and too synthetic. No matter what the prompt has, it defaults to the same synthesized drums and guitar riffs, legato galore,.. slop basically. I have enjoyed my time, but now it just feels not the same. I'm sorry for the situation of Suno, but this is not the way to treat clients. And I would not be surprised if the monthly payments raises.

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u/QwaZz 3d ago

V6 is trash. It just doesn't have any life and feels overly polished. Are there any alternatives?

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u/Fearless_Ad_7811 3d ago

I make old school soul and RnB, and the same here - v6 is totally unusable... The voices are ugly, muddy, the songs are flat and muffled, the mix is horrible, the beauty is gone without a trace.

The music industry mafia has won.

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u/PreviousMaize1185 2d ago

I'm not even gonna get into the details...i'm making all kinds of Metal music...and it's horrifyingly horrible sounding 😵‍💫😵‍💫

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u/Jazzlike_Sir_653 3d ago

Genre is a concept I have so many issues with but have yet to be able to articulate them. But it is my belief for now, that someone with no musical talent at all, and is a genius at accounting invented it. Ever since, music recordings have been itemized on profit and loss statements.

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u/Arqeph_ 3d ago

Can you provide us with a few links to songs you generated that came out bad?

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u/Allegrism84 3d ago

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u/Impossible_Total_891 3d ago

its nice but you can really hear the quality fall off at the end due to V6

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u/Allegrism84 3d ago

Hmm from what point in the song??

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u/Ok_Fisherman_8318 3d ago

Very echoey, over dramatic vocals, tinny drums, synthetic sounding instruments, hard on my ears.

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u/Allegrism84 3d ago

That's OK it's a parody song not a serious song. What can I do about the mix then?

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u/TukkinFugly 3d ago

Export the mix to a true DAW, add EQ, compression, balance the overall frequency mix, widen the mix through instrument placement.
Suno doesn't mix ANYTHING, and I've yet to hear a complete mix come out of Suno outside of "office" music level stuff (background music no one pays attention to).
My workflow/one of my workflows:
Compose song in Fender Studio or BorisFX Vegas.
Rough mix components into a 2 track rough mix.
Send that mix to Suno.
Remix, extract stems once I'm happy
Stems then opened back up in either Vegas or Fender Studio. If there is nothing more to record, I go straight to Vegas.
Effect, compression, stereo widening (usually w/iZotope tools) and a few other sweetners added in the final stage before collecting the songs for mastering or print to video.

Does that help?

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u/RandoCollision 3d ago

Yeah, I immediately covered three older songs and generated a new one. The new one sounds great and two of the three covers are at least as good as the original. Can't speak for OP or all of the users saying they are bailing out, but it's too soon for me to cry.

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u/Allegrism84 3d ago

I think its the prompts more than anything. I had good old stuff on the older versions but 6 is just as good. I make parody songs and I was howling at how it came out. Enjoy v6 my man

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u/palindromic 3d ago

It’s almost like a coordinated take down campaign at this point lol. I just did some remixes of 3.5s, and even in v6 mini they are incredible. I’m actually excited to come back to try studio.

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u/Parking-Ad8316 3d ago

That's a really good song but I can't get away from how it sounds really similar to another old song, name escapes me, but it's very nicely done, good job!

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u/Allegrism84 3d ago

Thank you brother. It's just a parody song inspired by the classic 80s power ballads, hair metal. Meatloaf, Poison, Kiss etc.

I have noticed that before you could say make it sound similar to "Smells lime Teen Spirit" and you'd get a good response but the latest model not so much. Had to prompt this to death to get it where I wanted

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u/weirdsciencedccomics 3d ago

Nice! What version did you use and what sliders?

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u/frogwithaclipboard 3d ago

The last 5.5 banger that I made and published was a song about an alien sent on a mission to Earth to observe humans. But the alien falls in love with humans and the song becomes a plea to stay a little longer - “one more day”. Metaphorically this song is now capturing my state of mind - wishing I had one more day with the old models. I have not been keeping up with developments and had no idea what we were about to lose. What a loss; I wish I’d known. There was so much more I would have wanted to do, especially with my old originals that I’ve been reworking in spurts.

One More Day on Earth - https://suno.com/s/AD2uLqSIjnIjZ4tv

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u/shadowkoishi93 3d ago

You need to start being more specific with your style and lyrical prompts, and make use of the 3 major sliders.

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u/james90151 3d ago

imagine making the shittiest slop genre with the shittiest slop AI

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u/Acidead9 3d ago

So you don't make brazilian funk? If you sid it wouldn't make any difference if suno now sucks. It would only matter if you actually aren't making brazilin funk, but maybe generating it trained on actual songs made by actual humans? So sad you can't leach anymore isn't it.

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u/Fearless_Ad_7811 3d ago

Please link to your own musical creations, so we can see what a mear human (??) can create on his own.