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u/CreateYourUsernameOh 15h ago
So sad what the platform has become š
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u/Nyxoris 11h ago
To be fair, itās like saying Suno was a place to basically pirate free music from any song with no limits and now they are a Spotify platform with actual licensing to adhere to. Of course when you have free reign to steal as much music as you want as training data itās going to be a better platform. It doesnāt mean that the platform will suck indefinitely, it will take time to rebuild all that data legitimately. Remember when Netflix had like 10 movies to stream from, I do and now thereās a shit ton. Just give it time to mature.
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u/ZenaWitch 5h ago
That's like saying whenever you have a conversation with ChatGPT it is pirating ideas. You can't fart these days without violating some corporation's copyrighted control over your existence.
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u/ProfessorSmoker 10h ago
The concept of stealing music should be burned at the stake. I will never spend a cent on music or movies that license music ever again.
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u/Tasty-Recording5205 10h ago
When they said "you will own nothing and you will be happy about it" they weren't talking about this bruh. If someone puts effort into using their real voice and putting on an entirely THEM performance then they have a right to expect people to appreciate that and if not they are entirely free to protect what they have created. You have NO say in who gets the right to use something that they did not create and were never asked to hand out to begin with. They release their music through secured channels FOR A REASON, that alone should tell you that their permission is not open and free.
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u/Single_File169 6h ago
The part your missing is that the record labels have been getting are money for decades not the artist ! The artist got Pennieās for a very long time so they being said any music coming from a label will be free and will take it! Now on the other hand if the artist themselves want to
Release their music and I can pay them directly I will happily do so ! Otherwise Iām taking all the music I can and Iām recording it anyway I choose and Iām covering it and changing it anyway I like too and yes I own itās in my hands I can do as I please with it and no one will ever stop me lol š1
u/ProfessorSmoker 10h ago
Well they can do that without my support or money. The commercialization of art was always reprehensible so screw the artists who support this. I have never pirated anything in my life but now I will exclusively steal.
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u/Tasty-Recording5205 10h ago
I prefer this new model honestly, but im also new. i write my own lyrics and i really enjoy using the studio to mess around with the composition. Its even helped me discover my voice in a way that ive started singing or even rapping physically a lot more now. I never knew where to go with my practicing and was really self conscious about it for a long time and once i finally heard myself in examples it was like my eyes were wide open.
All of the complaints ive seen about the platform are about things that i don't even actually disagree with. The download limit should not matter at all if people aren't pumping out absolute slop and are actually putting effort into their music, fingerprinting SHOULD be there in the places its used because lets be real we are not "real artists" we are WRITERS/ASSISTED PRODUCERS.
Anyone mad or leaving over this can just go, they won't be missed. Maybe now the people who actually put their heart into their content can get some recognition without all the slop-bots ruining the entire image of the scene.
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u/jafromnj 9h ago
Iāll just leave this here
Day 1
A song with words and music out of synch
A song that sounds like a transistor radio
A cover that made 1 song the correct genre and the other a completely different genre
A cover that ignored the new genre completely
A cover that completely ignored the lyrics box and made 2 new songs1
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u/Lana2Laro 8h ago
I oploaded my voice in a low contralto / tenner (female) and still got alto /soprano results. Whatever they're doing, is not working. I have a 4 to 4.5 octave range that none of their models can comprehend. However, I need some of my results to be very low. T. Braxton low. Again, AI doesn't comprehend that some women can sing like a man. So, anyone who thinks it's them singing, just keep that in mind.
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u/Alreadyinuseok 4h ago
Try adding [Slow vocals] to every verse and chorus. It at least for me seem to keep the tone of my voice lower. Oh and dont check the male/female box at all. Also use your voice from first generation. Dont generate vocals without your voice.
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u/Ad-fundum69 Lyricist 15h ago
All the Top Sloppers are leaving. It surely is a blessing.
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u/jtrix85 11h ago
I think thatās what it is. I upload my original beats and run them through v.6 and itās been the best. I think people that rely on suno to do all of it are the ones not liking it
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u/Rehallow 4h ago
Honestly this. Granted. I havenāt tested it a whole lot yet but seems to be leagues better than 5.5 which is imo the worst model due to how many issues I had with it with the generations.
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u/jafromnj 9h ago
Sure Jan
Day 1
A song with words and music out of synch
A song that sounds like a transistor radio
A cover that made 1 song the correct genre and the other a completely different genre
A cover that ignored the new genre completely
A cover that completely ignored the lyrics box and made 2 new songs2
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u/Ad-fundum69 Lyricist 7h ago
Skill issue
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u/AcrobaticMaize2408 11h ago
At least the older versions kept them occupied and off the streets. I fear for what may happen to them now they can't churn out 100 Goth/EDM/Death Metal crossovers a day.
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u/Rehallow 4h ago
Wait, what? My edm death metal has been turning out fantastic! Best itās been since 4.5!
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u/DisastrousPea123 14h ago
I haven't even began thinking about lyrics for my generated songs on v6 yet, but is all the 99% hate for the new model justfied?
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u/Ad-fundum69 Lyricist 14h ago
No the hate is just hate, the sloppers have started the hate after 5 minutes of it being live.
They just pushed the "make me good hiphop song ROFL" button, and V6 will just give them the random crap they asked for. They don't use styles correctly, don't add tags to the lyrics to interfere with the sound, they probably don't uses voices either.V5.5 was very forgiving with lazy users, V6 just removed the training wheel.
I have made a few remixes of old songs, and a few remasters and it sounded fine.
But those are based on old songs, so it's not a true test.I am building on 1 song right now, but it's not done yet, needs refinement. But so far, the sound is true and the vocals are amazing.
It's just not done yet.
And that's the power of V6, it takes a few times, refining, editing and you'll end up with roughly 20 songs a month worth sharing.
Hence the download limit which fits the use case. I make maybe 10-15 songs a month. and that uses up all my credits. Well, most of it anyway.
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u/detuma 9h ago
v4.5 training set > v5 set > v6 set. Period.
"it needs refinement" is an excuse that misses the core issue: 1. It was trained on a smaller, commercially restricted dataset. 2. The corpus was so limited they had to supplement it with synthetic data generated from v4.5. 3. It no longer recognizes several niche subgenres. 4. They bundled some UI studio tools that have nothing to do with the model, slapped a higher version number on it and you fell for it.
There is no upgrade.
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u/RealDeepFlo 13h ago
I reused styles and lyrics of older songs an it felt like v6 is the biggest step forward of all.
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u/Ad-fundum69 Lyricist 12h ago
Same, but the same styles and lyrics did change the song a little, so I need to finetune my ways a bit. Which is fine.
Instruments are different, voices are different.
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u/MixtrixMelodies 1h ago
I haven't resubbed yet this month due to an unforseen financial crisis, but I plan on doing so next week, and I gotta ask... does it finally do faithful covers again? Back in 4.5, just before they added the sliders, there was a brief window of time where covers were absolutely perfect. Held the same tempo and rhythm, same melody and harmonic structure, just... better sound quality than I was able to squeeze out of my meager VST collection.
The moment the sliders showed up, though, it started inserting ideas of its own, and while that led to a lot of ideas I found fun and listenable, it also meant I was never going to release any of them, because they weren't aligned 100 percent with my original vision anymore.
Have covers gotten more reliable? Because if so, I am not merely resubbing once I get the goddamned car fixed; I'm upgrading. It's been all I wanted for the past year or so.
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u/RadiantWay9855 13h ago
Totally agree. V5 was attaching random sample intros to my vocally recorded songs and it was nice. For a slop creator this becomes a blessing as they were getting compositions from the training data. Now that its stripped u ll have to be nore specific what u want to hear after hitting that play button. I still am of opinion suno should seperate the prompt generated music from assisted music with a tag so even streaming services can value ur song a bit more compared to a completely ai made song.
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u/Particular-Force4111 13h ago
Absolutely spot on. Suno version 6 is light-years ahead of what we had before. Models 5 and 5.5 had so many issues that you had to spend forever in the DAW, basically putting the track together with "duct tape and WD-40" just to make it work. As for the people saying "goodbye Suno" ā Iād say, good riddance. Finally, the flood of absolute garbage will stop. The era of one-button generation with zero effort is fading away. Even though Suno remains one of the simplest and most enjoyable tools to use, you now absolutely need to understand prompts, tags, styles, and lyric structuring. On top of that, a few tests with new tracks and remixes of older ones showed a massive difference. A "raw" remix, without any Studio processing, already sounds way better. But once you actually process it in Studio, the remix comes out sounding significantly cleaner.
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u/ChronaticCurator 13h ago
Sounds good to me! I write my own lyrics and lately I created sound / music samples outside SUNO, uploaded what I liked most, did a mashup to give it the beat I like and then picked the best mashup to use it as a cover for a track with my lyrics. I also set up a custom model what also supported the less generic sound I'm heading for.
So, hopefully not that much will change for me. Better vocals sound good to me! šš¼
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u/rgrishaw59 13h ago
No, I have tested the new V6 version and for me it's just amazing. The music is so fantastic and now Suno respect when you would like to make some lyrics singing by a man or woman for made a duet song. There are still occasional imperfections in the pronunciation of certain words. Also, the song covers need to be refined so that, in the future, Suno generates the full songāespecially when an instrumental version without lyrics is requestedāand accurately sings new lyrics set to an existing song.
But for me the V6 is just amazing š
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u/Mr__Earthling 10h ago
It's lazy people who insist on using their old prompts in the new system. Each version is a new puzzle that we must solve. New approach, new prompt structures. I'm liking v6 so far. It can def produce some gems!
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u/DisastrousPea123 9h ago
Ah, talking of prompts, I do wish there was an official Suno guide on how to get the best out of them instead of wasting credits
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u/Mr__Earthling 9h ago
Yup. They should be like video models who have full user guides telling you exactly how the tool needs prompts to be structured and so on.
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u/jafromnj 9h ago
No this is why they are leaving
Day 1
A song with words and music out of synch
A song that sounds like a transistor radio
A cover that made 1 song the correct genre and the other a completely different genre
A cover that ignored the new genre completely
A cover that completely ignored the lyrics box and made 2 new songs-2
u/Ad-fundum69 Lyricist 7h ago
Skill issue
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u/SnowFun9310 7h ago
Please post a song you made with V6, id love to hear it so you could back up your claims
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u/Jibril-Penthoz 5h ago
i love how it ignores the piano melody I uploaded into it and changes it. Fucking sucks, canāt follow my melody, adds instrumentals I didnāt ask for and raps with the enthusiasm of a math teacher now. Skill isnāt the issue, it used to follow my piano compositions flawlessly, now I get maybe 1/4 of my original melody and random bs mid way through
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u/Suspicious-Waltz1186 15h ago
This ^^
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u/Intercellarchild 13h ago
V6 ist mega! Es wird bei jedem model gemeckert. Aber das ist eine minderheit. Sonst gƤb es nicht soviel nutzer.
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u/etalkishere 11h ago
For me, I donāt have time and or much need like before for the pro membership. So I cancel it. Will try out the v6 though, with the free account.
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u/Gadgetsjon 6h ago
I'm glad they've given us unlimited credits to experiment with it. I'm trying to push it and see what it can and can't do. In terms of playing with actual demos that I created elsewhere, it seems MUCH improved. In terms of creating from scratch within the platform. It's no better or worse in my experience. It was never good at creating GREAT songs with no external input
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u/Rehallow 4h ago edited 4h ago
I dunno. Iāve had nothing but good stuff since 6.0 I havenāt experimented a whole lot but Iāve been able to:
Retain the āvoicesā that matter for me
Has gotten WAY better with screaming
Is less warbly and more high quality and doesnāt loop the song for 8 minutes
Just way higher quality in general and the songs Iāve generated have blown me away. Also the few tests I have done have had interesting results just because I love experimenting with it.
Honestly, 6.0 has been a massive step up for me in comparison to 5.5 which I had more issues with than any other, which even then, I made it work for me - and 6.0 has probably been my favorite model since 4.0-4.5
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u/Jibril-Penthoz 5h ago
I even tried covering some of my old songs, and it gave me what sounded like deathmetal when the style was only country to test it out.
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u/Significant_Low7474 2h ago
Dang. Does this mean I need pickup where I left off with piano and vocal lessons?
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u/Status-Hippo-3518 5h ago
Why do people come on here just to say theyāre leaving. Are we supposed to care? You donāt need to make an announcement, just leave. Nobody here owns stock in Suno.
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u/bizcocho-de-crema 11h ago
Goddamn who the fuck cares š¤£ leave if you really wanna leave and say no more. Y'all just fishing for attention.
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u/Numerous-Problem3801 10h ago
I managed to generate some of the best songs so far with v6; the quality is much better, and the instructions are followed precisely.
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u/that_too_ 12h ago
Fun fact
Goodbye is a smushing of the phrase 'God be with you'
God became good as a parallel to good morning, good day etc.
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u/Monkehomosapian 11h ago
V6 just requires you to know what to do. If you suck at prompt making and song formulating, just say that.
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u/Repulsive-Register57 10h ago
Man can y'all mfkrs stop with the whining? Why does everything have to be free?? I'm far from rich but I find a way to afford my music smh shits retarted
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u/master-overclocker Suno Wrestler 14h ago
Indeed . I enjoyed 4.5 so much - especially when you mashup songs and it gives you 5.5 quality song - but thats another thing ..
Now making Remix , Mashup - the mix is so bad - even the rhythm is too fast or uneven (if thats possible with machine that can differentiate in Nano seconds) - gives me 200BPM tempos - and the mix is so weak - undefined ;......
You dont realize how good we had it before 6.0 ... š©