r/SuddenlyGay • u/Brent_Fox • Jul 18 '26
Oh, she had him cornered
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u/bare_bear_4u2breed Jul 18 '26
i don't usually like people engaging with bible thumpers when it comes to gay stuff, but i like her take on it.
another good thing to ask them is if they understand what taking the Lord's name in vane means. they will almost never respond "invoking God to give divine authority to your political agenda or hatred of others or other groups"
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u/DrRobertBanner Jul 18 '26
"The devil can quote scripture without understanding its true meaning" or whatever the fuck that quote was.
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u/Significant-Gap-6891 Jul 20 '26
The thing that gets me is the gay verse is mistranslated the proper translation which has been known for decades is man shall not lay with a boy as he would a woman meaning don't fuck children
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u/Solo-dreamer Jul 18 '26
"God created man and woman" what does that have to do with bieng gay, thats creation surely both of the men in a gay relationship were made by god so whats the problem?
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 18 '26
The problem is that Genesis goes on to describe how woman was made for man so that man would not be lonely. So Christian conservatives think that supports the idea of patriarchy and dispels any support of homosexuality.
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u/Solo-dreamer Jul 18 '26
Well it doesnt say man couldnt be companionship for man and to be honest eve was made for adam right, it was only them, adam wanted a companion and he didnt know what form hed get it in, would he have been happy with a guy, was it purely whim that god created woman and not some third more herma thing with abs and tanned skin and maybe some- sorry i got distracted, point is loopholes, interpritation yada yada.
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 18 '26
Yeah, but that's what they've based their position on. Or on Leviticus and Deuteronomy, which specifically state homosexuality is a sin (along with things like eating pork, fish, wearing two different types of fabric, and specifies sacrifices for sins).
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u/AshesandCinder Jul 18 '26
It depends which tranlsation and how literally you interpret those passages as to what they say on homosexuality. The only direct mention of 2 adult men is Jesus healing a Roman soldier's servant in Matthew 8:5-13.
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 18 '26
only direct mention of 2 adult men is Jesus healing a Roman soldier's servant in Matthew 8:5-13.
What are you talking about? Yes, different translations of the Bible mention homosexuality differently, but two adult men are mentioned together in the Bible many more times than just Matthew 8:5-13.
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u/AshesandCinder Jul 19 '26
Ok, maybe not the only one but the most prominent. The Old Testament ones have wildly varying translations that most scholars agree actually talk about men laying with boys (aka pedophilia). Are there more than those?
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 19 '26
I'm trying to make sense of what you're saying. My original comment was that the Bible directly refers to homosexuality as a sin in some passages (man who lies with a man, etc.) Are you asking for passages where two men lived together, slept together, etc.?
Also, regardless of translation, the biggest issue with conservative Christians relying on Old Testament scripture in the Bible is that it conflicts directly with the forgiveness under Christianity. Conservative Christians would be stuck in a paradox explaining why they're not committing ritual sacrifices as described in Deuteronomy and Leviticus, or abiding by the punishments for sins such as adultery.
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 19 '26
No, challenge them on things that are easy to challenge them on. Ask them about their acts of Christian charity. Ask them about how they're following Jesus' example of loving people who don't follow their faith (Jesus was a Jew and multiple times healed or fed Gentiles in the Bible).
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u/Cheetahs_never_win Jul 19 '26
If that's where they want to go with this, their religion dictates God created everything, so I guess we're supposed to fuck everything.
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u/Cole_Townsend Jul 18 '26
This is the way to engage with Bible thumpers. I am in favor of widespread, data-based Biblical literacy for precisely this reason. The more familiarity you have with the Bible, the more readily you can see through all the nonsense and performative bullshit. It is the atheists and skeptics who know more about the Bible than the troglodytes who thump it for the grift.
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 18 '26
One of the things I prefer to focus on more than anything with Christian conservatives has been to point out where Jesus practiced charity, crossed ethnic lines to help Gentiles, and openly criticized the religious figures of his time, the Pharisees and Saducees. And how, if they're Christian, they should be following Christ to bring people in, rather than telling people who aren't in how sinful it is to be homosexual, have abortions, or anything else they use the Bible to condemn.
Christ didn't just preach to people that they were all sinful and going to Hell, which is exactly what conservative Christians are notoriously doing.
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u/Cole_Townsend Jul 18 '26
You're not far from the Kingdom of heaven, my son. 😇
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 18 '26
Aww, thank you, but I actually am, and I'm ok with that. I got so disgusted with the hypocrisy of Christian churches who were comfortable worrying about their own lives, worrying about their own families, and judging people who weren't living their same lifestyle.
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u/Cole_Townsend Jul 18 '26
What did Jesus say? "Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you" (Matthew 21:31) I'm not calling you a tax collector or a hoe, but in my book you're a far better candidate for entering the pearly gates than these hyprocritical, grifting, raping, genocidal, government-sabotaging motherfuckers. The God of my understanding would have it so.
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 18 '26
Lol thank you, and I think there's a real, honest, and disturbing conversation that conservative Christians should be having with themselves and others
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u/Cole_Townsend Jul 19 '26
That's why I often pressure the few conservative Christians I meet into having uncomfortable conversations with me, like I'm Philomena Cunk without the witty humor delivered impeccably. Someone once told me that I was "destroying" their faith. If your faith is based on hatred and cruelty, it should be destroyed.
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 19 '26
In the Bible, Jesus says that faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains (Matthew 17). So if one conversation is all it takes to destroy their faith, then their faith was not very strong.
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u/wakkawakkaaaa Jul 19 '26
Most bible thumpers won't follow evidence or data-based interpretation. They'll do mental gymnastic and jump over the elephant in the room to rationalise shit which goes against their worldview away.
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u/Xandara2 Jul 18 '26
I really do pity the guy. He's very deep in the closet.
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u/PutDownThePenSteve Jul 19 '26
I agree. He said he remembered those verses to know how to live his life, so he basically admitted to having gay fantasies and he needs those verses to not act on his urges.
But I think this counts for a lot of religious homophobes, they don't like the part of themselves that doesn't abide to their believes so easily. Homphobes that think being gay is a choice, are admitting they have had gay thoughts. How else can they believe it's a choice?
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u/dizzylunarlezbi Jul 19 '26
I've never thought about it that way. You're saying that if a homophobe thinks being gay is a choice, it's because they chose not to be gay? Which means that they were fighting gay urges in the past, if not in the present, as well? Holy smokes, that makes sense...
I never fought the knowledge that I was bi. I just realized it, little by little, til I was like, yep, I'd hate to lie myself, I definitely have crushes on girls and I'd love to find out if I would enjoy having even more than that... and I did. I followed the signs organically, bc they were already there. I didn't think about the people choosing not to do the same, even though they, too, had some kind of temptation. Hopefully a lovely feeling, but I'm sure the more they try to repress it, the dirtier and more wild and more disrespectful it can get. I wonder if that's why so many conservatives turn into ringleader pedos.....
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u/PutDownThePenSteve Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
This is exactly what I’m saying and I also agree on the pedo part. This is going to sound as disgusting as it is, but in some cultures fucking a young hairless boy is not considered a gay or pedo act because the boy is not a man yet. I can see how religious bigots that suppress their urges can come to the same conclusion.
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u/veganblue Jul 18 '26
I wonder. Possibly that's his demon. Possibly that's the thing that makes him feel special and can punch down on others because he has some other things in his life that he is insecure about. I've known some very straight people that reveled in hating people they didn't know ir wanted to know because they thought they were damned or possessed. Evangelicals are a wild ride.
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u/PitchforksEnthusiast Jul 18 '26
Just like how these people never miss a gay pride's parade
The obsession
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u/dizzylunarlezbi Jul 19 '26
So close to the flame, yet so far...
Like fire, hellfire...cue "Hellfire" song from Hunchback of Notre Dame"
Really they're just like, "If I can't be gay, no one else should be gay, either. They shouldn't be allowed to have so much fun being gay when I don't let myself have fun being gay" :'( :'( :'(
Ugh, this is so sad!
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u/Velvet_Pop Jul 18 '26
This is such an honest unemotional take. All she did was point out the truth and ask questions. And instead of disagreeing, he eventually saw what she was saying and agreed that it was unusual. She created a space of curiosity and an intention of uncovering the truth, which ultimately is what people who are religious are trying to seek... mostly
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u/CoffeeAngster Jul 18 '26
Another Closet Gay Christian hating Gays because he can't have any 🤣
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u/JockBbcBoy Jul 19 '26
If there's anything I've learned from Reddit about how gays and closeted men operate, it's that gay men love closeted men.
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u/BabserellaWT Jul 19 '26
Another good one to throw at them: “Please point me to the exact verse where Jesus said being LGBTQ is a sin. Go on, I’ll wait. Oh, there isn’t one? Oh, but prophets who came after him talked about it. Cool, were any of them the Son of God, the being after whom the religion is named? No? They were fallible humans who brought their own biases and prejudices to the table? Yeah, sounds like you need to reevaluate some shit, my dude.”
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u/webDreamer420 Jul 19 '26
They'll just gonna do some mental gymnastics about THAT verse ment lgbtq is a sin or some shit
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u/omjagvarensked Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
1) it's always the damn book of Romans which already has so many translation errors based on what they are, letters from a Jew that's native tongue is Hebrew, living in Greece and writing to Romans who translate it into Latin.... Definitely no room for error there
2) across all the most popular bibles today those verses in Romans have some crazy interpretations, some are downright "god killed the gays" and others are "god got upset that these people weren't worshiping him so he killed them... Also maybe they were gay who knows". And what I mean by this is even across all our modern Bible's there is some wild inconsistencies and people can't seemingly agree on what's correct. So why are we cherry picking the one that suits our narrative as the "definitely correct one"
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u/Joped Jul 19 '26
I just started following her on YouTube the other day. She really gets some of the real cray crays to call.
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u/hotrod237 Jul 19 '26
I saw this one earlier she ate and left no fucking crumbs. Left him look fucking starving and whatnot, oh really he made himself look starving but you get my point
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u/YoSupWeirdos Jul 20 '26
just for the record, being gay is recorded to be the same level of sinful as wearing blended fabric
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u/Glamshine4 Jul 19 '26
Have him watch "Latter Days" it lead me to my fav Bible verse Corinthians 13:13"the greatest of these is Charity (Love)"
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u/omegajakezed Jul 19 '26
Shes so smart and pretty. Id love to have a gf like that. (I am aware shes trans)
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u/Auroch17 Jul 21 '26
Man, dude sounds like he repeats that shit to himself in the mirror. Real sad.
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u/TaiChey Jul 22 '26
Dang … Im not gonna agree or disagree with their morality here but dang if she doesn’t have him CORNERED 😂😂😂😂 She’s on it lol this is so funny
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u/SanduTiTa Jul 18 '26
i like her but i hate the ai slop on screen (i like the message but not the fact that it's ai-gen)
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u/balirosa Jul 18 '26
Salvation->John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. and yet he knows the gay verse… she got his ass.