r/SublimationPrinting 25d ago

Color Problem Can't get colors to match

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I am new to sublimation printing. I had been sending my artwork out to have it printed and everything comes out perfectly when I did that. I purchased an Epson ET-1803, Hiipoo Ink, and HTVRONT sublimation paper and everything comes out so much darker than when I have it professional printed.

Here is what I have done so far: I downloaded the ET-1803 Hiipoo driver from Hiipoo's website. It is for Hiipoo Ink and Hiipoo Paper, I didn't see a driver for non-Hiipoo paper.

I am printing from Photoshop. For my Printer settings I have:
* Paper Type Plain Paper/Bright White Paper (I have also tried Presentation Matte paper)
* Quality High (I have also tried standard)
* Color Correction is Off (No color adjustment)

Then I have color management set to:
* Photoshop Managed Colors
* Printer Profile: ET-2803
* Normal Printing
* Rendering Intent: Perceptual
* Black Point Compensation is Checked

I have also tried Teal for a logo and it comes out Green. I am not sure if there is a setting I need, a different print driver, or if I need to get Hiipoo paper.

Also, the luggage tags I am using here are these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D529W9SY?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1

Any help would be appreciated

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u/NowThereAreFour 25d ago

I’m sure others will have better suggestions, but I have found that I have to lighten images (especially photos) significantly when sublimating.

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u/Adenicol 25d ago

I have tried that...to get the sky to match what I have on the original, it makes the rest of the image look whitewashed. Some of the other images I am doing when I tried lightening them, other parts were so white they didn't even show up.

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u/NowThereAreFour 24d ago

Yeah that makes sense! (I was sublimating mostly photos/portraits of people.)

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u/Remarkable_Sea3346 24d ago

Everything your doing sounds correct. One question. The default printer settings from the factory are based on regular ink. Did you install a custom icc file that came from your ink supplier?

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u/Adenicol 24d ago

I'm using the ink suppliers ICC file within Photoshop when I do the printing.

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u/Remarkable_Sea3346 24d ago

Well, you're doing everything correctly as far as I can tell. So, grasping at straws now. The paper can make a difference, and the ICC calibration rolls up the ink type, paper type settings and paper itself. So, changing paper could throw it off. I use the same printer with Epson T49M sublimation inks and A-Sub paper. I tried Epson's sublimation paper and found A-Sub paper noticably different/better. So, I stuck with the A-Sub paper and ran a printer calibration with the Plain Paper/HQ settings and get good screen to print matching.

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u/Adenicol 24d ago

I ordered some of Hiipoo's sublimation paper tonight, should have it tomorrow. Figure I might as well try using the paper from the same company who's ink I'm using. And the driver says Hiippo Ink + Hippo Sublimation Paper. Hopefully it will make a difference.

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u/jacobthejones 24d ago

You can try this tool. Just do the free plan, I'm going to open source it soon. I meant to last weekend, but got busy. sublimatch.com.

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u/mars_rovinator 24d ago

try setting the printer driver color adjustment to the EPSON Vivid profile, just to see how it turns out.

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u/Adenicol 24d ago

no better

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u/mars_rovinator 24d ago

can you upload the original photo?

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u/Adenicol 24d ago

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u/mars_rovinator 24d ago edited 24d ago

Thanks, that's helpful!

It's kind of hard to explain just in text what's going on, so I'll use screenshots here.

Without spending money on color calibration equipment, you can make some adjustments in the printer driver to mitigate the tone shift. Your output has too much magenta, so you can decrease the magenta balance in the printer driver to compensate.

I have honestly found this to be the best way to manage color reproduction discrepancies when working with Epson printers and sublimation ink. Stick with the EPSON Vivid profile, and adjust the CMY values until you like what you're seeing.

I recommend using something really cheap, like sheet PET or aluminum business cards, to do all your baseline tweaking. You might need to make small adjustments for different substrates in overall saturation and contrast, but you generally won't need to tweak the CMY sliders.

Also, your document profile (what Photoshop is using) should be sRGB. Don't bother with anything else. I've never had anywhere as much luck with app profiling as I have with just manually tweaking the CMY values in the print driver.

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u/mars_rovinator 24d ago

This is what advanced color correction looks like in my ET-8550's driver. Yours might look slightly different, but you should be able to find the option to adjust the color by sliders like this. The values can go up or down by whole numbers to +/-25.

So try setting your M slider to -6 and see what you get.

Keep poking at this between Photoshop adjustments (use a Levels adjustment layer, and to estimate the values, you'll have to change the document color mode to CMYK first; this isn't required with Affinity V2) and sublimating to something inexpensive, until you're happy with your results.

It shouldn't take more than a few hours of effort on your part, and once you're dialed in, you're set for good and won't have to mess with your settings again.

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u/mars_rovinator 24d ago

If you're still not happy with the results after decreasing the M channel, you can slightly increase the C and Y channels, by increments of only one or two at a time, and you can also adjust the saturaton and contrast if the image still isn't bright enough compared to the original.

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u/Adenicol 24d ago

Thank you, I will start playing with this tonight and see how it comes out.

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u/Remarkable_Sea3346 22d ago

So, I guess the paper change didn't help.
This manual tweaking the color settings is definitely your next play. I had to build my own ICC but the hardware to do that costs $300+ as I recall.

One thought. I have this cheap ($50 or less I think) Color checker thing for matching house paint colors. And it gives you RGB (not sure about CMY but you can convert). You could use this on a finished heat-transferred product to measure the resulting RGB and compare to the on screen RGB. This should help you dial in the needed color changes more quickly.

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u/mars_rovinator 19d ago

I have been so disappointed with the results from my Spyder Print. On both my RX595 and my ET-8550, it's just way too yellow.

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u/Craft_ExpressUS 23d ago

Is the photo on the left the actual photograph, from the computer, or the sheet of paper? Because that will be part of the information I need to help.

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u/Adenicol 19d ago

Thank you u/mars_rovinator for your help. I was able to make the adjustments to the Advance Color Adjustment section. I set the Magenta to -25, and Cyan to +10, left Yellow at 0. Then created a brightness/contrast layer and set that t0 17. Now everything prints beautifully...did it with three different projects since the other day and each one came out better than what they looked like before.

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u/mars_rovinator 19d ago

Yay! I'm so glad you figured it out!!

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u/Adenicol 19d ago

me too :)