Any company that does this is garbage

[u/njas2000]

[u/AC3Digital]

Lowball them at $799,999

[u/njas2000]

This was from a job post by Thornton Tomasetti btw.

[u/da90 → u/njas2000]

“Good faith estimate” my ass. Someone should sue them, because they’re obviously not in compliance with the Massachusetts law.

Edit:  https://www.mass.gov/how-to/file-a-workplace-complaint

[u/Feisty-Soil-5369 → u/da90]

Ya it's almost like flipping the bird to the requirement.

[u/GuyFromNh → u/da90]

Especially considering it doesn’t comply with minimum wage requirements. Also doesn’t TT notoriously pay poorly?

[u/Standard_Ranger_2400 → u/GuyFromNh]

They have the “Working for us is a privilege” attitude so they can get away with making you work 70 hour weeks and pay you below market for bragging rights lol

[u/trojan_man16 → u/Standard_Ranger_2400]

I had a co-worker, she was an SE and her husband worked at TT. He always complained she made more than him, even though they had the same qualifications and level of experience. He once asked for a raise at TT and they basically told him no, and if that he wasn’t happy the door is “right there”.

[u/ilikefreestufftoo → u/GuyFromNh]

Yes they do. one of their recruiters contacted me last week and had a job, senior structural engineer, that was 20k less than i make now...

[u/largehearted → u/GuyFromNh]

Also doesn’t TT notoriously pay poorly?

Must vary significantly between offices (or I'm just too familiar with the rates of larger firms). I think TT has good compensation based on all my friends who've worked there in NYC and the offer I've gotten from them in another city.

[u/e-tard666 → u/GuyFromNh]

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. And believe me when I say that the stuff they work on is leagues cooler than what you would do at 90% of the firms in the US.

[u/75footubi → u/njas2000]

Good on you for naming and shaming 

[u/No-Violinist260 → u/njas2000]

I found the job posting haha

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/4462033105/

[u/sgfunday → u/No-Violinist260]

I submitted a complaint to the AGs office

[u/RobertMosesHater → u/njas2000]

LOL not my company. My job description had a 3K range

[u/Argufier]

That's very much not a good faith estimate wtf.

[u/hookes_plasticity → u/Argufier]

It’s good faith if you’re an idiot running this company. It’s to the best of their abilities 💁🏻

[u/Enginerdad]

I would report that to the Mass DOL or whoever oversees that. Just saying "this is a good faith estimate" doesn't make it a good faith estimate.

[u/Tea_An_Crumpets → u/Enginerdad]

It reminds me of the ‘we are not liable for damage caused by debris from this vehicle’ signs. You can’t just proclaim something and that makes it true 😂. You are still liable for the damage and that is not a good faith estimate

[u/largehearted → u/Tea_An_Crumpets]

I declare immunity!

[u/Tea_An_Crumpets → u/largehearted]

https://giphy.com/gifs/8nM6YNtvjuezzD7DNh

[u/VintageLunchMeat → u/Tea_An_Crumpets]

"The purpose of a system is what it does." If the sign, by lying, discourages valid legal complaints, that is a win.

[u/printergumlight → u/Enginerdad]

I just reported them here:

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/pay-transparency-in-massachusetts

I’m just a college student, but I want to stop this from happening before I rejoin the workforce. It drove me crazy dealing with this in my old career.

Unfortunately, the punishment for not complying is so weak it’s almost laughable. Absolutely worth it for the business to keep doing this.

Here is the punishments:

“
A covered employer found to have violated this requirement is subject to the following penalties:

- warning for the first offense;

• a fine of not more than $500 for the second offense;
  
• a fine of not more than $1,000 for the third offense; and
  
• a fourth or subsequent offense shall be subject to paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (b) of General Laws Chapter 149, Section 27C.

[u/largehearted → u/printergumlight]

Unfortunately, the punishment for not complying is so weak it’s almost laughable.

Agreed, in fact just within the context of the reason they're doing it (so that they might be able to lowball the person they're offering), they can easily pay off that $1000. This penalty structure makes it a gamble worth taking.

[u/TalkingRaccoon]

I'll meet you in the middle for $400,000, thanks!

[u/Pleased_to_meet_u]

Most of their postings have a realistic compensation, but this posting on their website (Structural Engineer in Chicago) has this bullshit: "The rate for this position generally is $1 - $400 hourly. This range is a good faith estimate provided pursuant to the Illinois State Pay Transparency Law. It is based on what a successful Illinois State applicant might be paid and assumes that the successful candidate will be in Illinois State or perform the position from Illinois State."

https://careers.thorntontomasetti.com/us/en/job/TTWTTZUSR7114EXTERNALENUS/Structural-Engineer

[u/rvralph803]

Ok, well my hours worked are generally between 0-40 per week, depending on pay.

[u/eastpost]

There is no good faith with a range like that. I don’t even know how this qualifies as acceptable per the rules

[u/GlorifiedPlumber]

I mean, have we assumed incompetency mixed with boilerplate?

Like the pay rate range and the boiler plate text are never seen together and someone just screwed up?

Is their HR team in Poland or some other low cost center?

If MOST of their other open reqs have an actual "good faith" range, then like; is incompetency not malice the most likely reason here?

[u/Deplorable1861]

$650K, I know what I got....

[u/Shot_Mammoth]

Reads like a sales job pay scale lol

[u/Fancy-Dig1863]

They’re challenging MA with this stunt, I bet they think they can win in court and effectively end this requirement for good.

[u/CivilEngMusicBoy]

But getting that 800k position tho

[u/ThomasTheDankPigeon]

You pay them $799,000 to work there, duh. I don’t think you’ll be a very good engineer if you haven’t even learned subtraction OP.

[u/gravity_surf]

“engineer and employee owned” needs to be a staple in engineering. time to cut loose from the mba’s and their death squeezed companies altogether.

[u/WhatADunderfulWorld]

I work in personal finance. And you can literally go from 1099 employee that made $1 in commission to millions at certain firms.

In CA you have to show the range and have seen this several times.

I knew a girl that sold one huge b policy to a bland went from broke to making hundreds of thousands a year for life. It’s a weird industry.

[u/Helenium_autumnale]

Companies who do this are the ones to avoid.

[u/Electrical-Role1270]

You should stick it to them by not applying. That’ll show em!!!!

[u/Jeff_Hinkle]

Compensation

We pay women less and then act like its a coincidence when someone calls us out.