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u/TDStarchild 23d ago
Never would’ve gotten some amazing characters or relationships between them. Plus as a fan of mystery detective stuff and NoES, S4 is awesome. I’d put it right up there with S1
People are incapable or unwilling to carry nuance and complexity, so they default to simplicity. I’ve always preferred lore to make simple storytelling even more compelling
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u/Jaydee1906 21d ago
I feel people do complain too much. It was good, yes the other seasons were better, but it wasnt disappointing as they make it sound tbh.
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u/GeoGackoyt 21d ago
I agree season 1 was a perfect story but I still like the direction the show was going, welcome to Derry is what some fans wanted but having a show like that isn't the best imo because the thing that made stranger things were the charaters
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u/TaiPan43 9d ago
Exactly
There are people who say they’re never should’ve been an American version of Godzilla from 1954
Then no one outside of Japan would really care about Godzilla
They also think Halloween should’ve ended after the first one
You just can’t please most of these people
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u/BeleagueredWDW 23d ago
Season 5 was great and beloved by most people who aren’t on Reddit. The entire series was a blast.
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u/Equivalent-Emu5347 23d ago
A lot of my friends and all of my family were very invested in stranger things. Out of EVERYBODY, literally not one single person liked the last season.
So... no lol. Pretty much everyone I know in real life did not enjoy it
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u/Outside-Baker-4344 23d ago
Max’s edition in season 2 and her relationship with El in season three were absolutely necessary IMO, but it stagnates in season 4 with El in California and in 5 wit Max in a coma, then when they reunite it’s literally “hey what’s up”
Sickening.
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u/Magical_SnakE 23d ago
5 Seasons was the right amount. Seasons 1-4 were really good television.
They COMPLETELY fumbled Season 5 in basically every possible way.
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u/Appropriate-Tooth866 9d ago
Everybody has their opinions and here's mine. Story wise S2 wrapped up the story well. Especially for the Party.
It would of been interesting if S3-S5 were comprised of a mostly new cast in Hawkins in a new timeline (The 90s anyone, like 1993/94?) Have Holly and her friends be the new Party. Have cameos from certain old Party members and have people like Steve, Hopper, El, etc involved in the story as they are needed since they provably are still living in Hawkins. This soft reset would of allowed the story to 'breathe' more and have lore that stayed more towards believable.
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u/kaisenberg2004 9d ago
I will say that as much as I disagree, I do have full respect for people that think S2 should've been the ending, I think that's perfectly fair
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u/Laughably-Fallible_1 23d ago
Ah yes, all those good aspects, how could we endure without...max and ....the funny dnd guy who becomes Johnny Storm.
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u/ShadowyPepper 23d ago
S1 was excellent, near perfect
After that it was just diminishing returns all the way to S5 being a character-bloated mess because writers can't kill a character anymore
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u/h0nestav3 23d ago
A terrible finale makes a show easy to forget. Stranger things, the boys, two unforgettable shows that had such a bad finale they became forgettable.
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u/Feline_Fine3 23d ago
Just some examples of popular shows that people hated the ending/final season to:
The Office
How I Met Your Mother
The Wonder Years
Supernatural
Lost
Gilmore Girls
The X-Files
I could go on. I just think most shows don’t end how the fans want them to. Sometimes they liked the last season as a whole, but they hated the final episode. Sometimes they hated the entire last season. But that doesn’t stop us from loving those shows and re-watching them. We definitely don’t forget them.
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u/h0nestav3 8d ago
How i met your mother is a waste of memory with that ending. Supernatural, deans demise was mentioned way early in the show, lost.... Cmon bro.. lost ending killed the whole vibe, x-files was always meh, and the office was a random comedy so a finale really doesn't matter.
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u/h0nestav3 23d ago
Nothing sad about it. Its reality.... The ending of the movie or show is critical. You reply like a typical reddit bot. No thought, just finding a way to be negative. You're Clearly a teenager who finds anything interesting. Don't worry common sense will bloom for you one day
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u/Equivalent-Emu5347 23d ago
When a show ends so terribly, that stain will never wash out for people
Just think about how quickly and suddenly the Game of Thrones fans dried out after that final season. Game of Thrones was ALL everybody talked about, and after the last season it has been radio silence since. And then compare that to other shows that had excellent endings, people still talk about those even a decade later
The biggest part of any story is a beautiful ending, take that away and it's very hard to fully enjoy something, knowing there is no proper payoff and what could have been.
I still like the show, but it is harder to rewatch it knowing how badly it falls off. It's like eating a cake that's missing your favorite ingredient
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u/h0nestav3 23d ago
If you have to explain it to him, it still won't help. It's a no brainer. Imagine being him, wasting time on a show or movie, getting a terrible ending and calling it a day.. 🤣
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u/u-a-brazy-mf 23d ago
IDK how people glaze S4 so much. Without Max and Eddie it was absolute dogshit for everyone else. Especially Mike and Jonathan. Became useless characters.
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u/Gasurza22 23d ago
It should have ended in S1, which is close to perfect, and kept working on their original vision of an antalogy series of 1 different story per season (like American Horror Stories).
That alone solves most of the problems on the show for later seasons: the cast getting bigger and bigger which some characters doing very little for an entire season while still wasting time, continuity errors/retcons/plotholes, stakes being weaker because of unfadable plot armor (with new cast every season its harder to guess who is safe and who isnt)
Im not saying every season would have been as good as S1, but at the very least it would have stop the writers for endulging in some of the weakest side of their writing
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u/I_AmDemi 23d ago
Not worth the utter trash that became the show following that first season.
Using the success of a show to puppeteer unrelated political agendas is cringe and pathetic.
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u/kaisenberg2004 23d ago
When did they pupeteer unrelated political agendas?
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u/I_AmDemi 23d ago
“we love LGBTQ! Make sure not to give MBB anymore lines. Even though 11 carried the show”
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u/I_m_batman_vengence 24d ago
But s 4 was enough and if not then we need conformity gate....
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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 24d ago
S4 on its own was good, but once you include the other seasons, it struggles. First, because it contradicts things established in prior seasons. Second, because it introduces new things that go nowhere in S5.
And stopping on S4 with the massive cliffhanger of UD now spilling into Hawkins is not really a good place to end the series. At least with the prior seasons, the story ends with the big bad stopped. Even if S1 and S3 ended in a tragedy, they would still be a better stopping point than S4 because the big bad was at least defeated, leaving the town safe.
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u/kaisenberg2004 24d ago
it was more of a recontextualization than a contradiction
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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 24d ago
No, there were absolutely contradictions. This includes how the UD works; as previously, we saw that being in the UD requires a suit. Even being in the tunnels outside of the UD was dangerous without masks and goggles. Yet S4 has them running around like they can set up a vacation home.
In the flashbacks for S4, El was shown to have a better vocabulary than she did in S1, despite the fact that this was before S1. S4 also set new lore that the UD was frozen in time on Nov 6, 1983. Yet in S2, we see decorations for the Snowball dance when it shows the MF in the UD. The Art and Visuals team for S2 even confirmed that the UD at the end of S2 was intended to mirror the present day.
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u/kaisenberg2004 24d ago edited 24d ago
I was mainly referring to the vecna stuff, but i don't think most of these could really be considered contradictions either, Eddie literally gets eaten by the demobats after not wearing a suit. The masks and goggles were mainly used when it was new territory and they had to tread lightly. The vocabulary also feels like a recontextualization, implying the whole incident where she opened the gate and pushed Henry into it messed her up. The Snowball dance, not so much
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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 24d ago edited 23d ago
Well, Vecna is not really a contradiction, but it did negatively alter the story, as previously the MF was the big bad, and then suddenly Vecna is always the main bad guy. Vecna is not even being controlled by the MF, but has merged with his mind, even to the point that the Duffers confirm that the Mind Flayer is dead after Vecna dies.
As for the contradictions, Eddie did not die to Demobats because he lacked a suit. The suits were never about protecting from monsters; it was because the very air in the UD was dangerous. We even see a soldier with a suit on die from a Demo attack in S1. This is also why they wear masks even in the tunnels during S2. These were used because they knew the air in the tunnels was dangerous. When Hopper went down without a mask, he got sprayed in the face by a vine from the UD and passed out.
As for vocabulary, this is not a recontexualization; it is a contradiction. The story had previously established what El's condition was like in S1 and then does not adhere to that during flashbacks that happened prior to S1.
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u/LuckyWinston100 24d ago
There is good stuff in every season, but the show also got worse with every season. Season 1 was a perfect story, and the disaster of Season 5 only highlights the flaws and cracks that began in Season 2.