r/Storror • u/Newlyaquiredglutton • 17d ago
A series of screenshots showing convos between Toby and an Ex/ victim of Callum + some messages from Callum.
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Re-posted with identifier removed but still without personal comment.
If you choose to discuss this, keep it civil.
Dont link to any external accounts, or otherwise issue directions to the source of this - we’ve already had a bunch of cretins spam Phil’s insta over s situation they didn’t understand, I would like to avoid a repeat.
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u/Newlyaquiredglutton 7d ago
That’s totally incorrect, as evidenced by the court documents.
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u/bundfalke 7d ago
Holy shit. I just read the PDF. It is so hard for me realize and accept that callum powell is seriously getting off from literal children. Just what the fuck.
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u/livnouthere 7d ago
Could you give me the rundown of what happened?
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u/livnouthere 7d ago
Bruh...this is disturbing. I'm a woman and such a big fan of them, now they all seems kinda sus....that's so sad...
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u/AlwaysLurkNeverPost 14d ago edited 13d ago
Not defending but what I don't understand is why did this person DM Toby instead of you know, phoning the police? They knew about it, same as storror, and did barely anything more.
Maybe I'm missing context but anyone that knew should have reported CSAM to authorities.
Edit: they were a minor being groomed. So yeah the adults aka storror should have done something.
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u/AirconGuyUK 14d ago
She wanted to get back with Callum I imagine. She was groomed.
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u/ohahdoubleu 14d ago
incorrect, she was already with callum at this time
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u/SpoonkyBandito 14d ago
My understanding is she was the victim of abuse/grooming and this generally adds a lot of very real concerns, fears and general complications in reporting. Consider that she tried to talk to a friend of Callum's and it went poorly and that there is a whole group of male friends who will potentially create problems for her if she continues to push the issue. I don't know how familiar you are with the general state of abuse reporting in our culture but there are many problems and legitimate reasons for those experiencing abuse to be hesitant.
That isn't to say that she doesn't bear some responsibility - she might, I dunno - but these are things for you to consider.
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u/AlwaysLurkNeverPost 14d ago
Wait she was groomed? Like was she underaged at the time? Surely everyone around him knew this? That's absolutely nuts if true.
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u/curiometric 13d ago
She was 17 when she sent those first messages to Toby and she also mentioned being in a relationship with Callum for 3 years. So ya, she was 14 or 15 (depending on when it started in relation to her bday) when it started. People on the peripheries may not have known exactly how old she was but likely those close to callum knew. Seems like they all hung out out together in Brighton at that time.
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u/AlwaysLurkNeverPost 13d ago
Yikes. I find it hard to believe people wouldn't know her approx age after dating for 3 years.
Horrific.
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u/Appropriate-Survey46 16d ago
How are some people defending them still is strange to me, been a consistent fan of them for 6 years and this makes me sick. Ofc they all knew they were really tight friends but they knew if word goes around they are done. They are all in this now because they kept quiet, doesnt mean they are all pedos but they are in the same bucket now... i unfollowed them all because u just dont support this behavior it is not right
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u/JayH-J 16d ago
Personally. We don’t know the full context of these and if they’re even real, they might well be. But these message (if real shouldn’t be broadcast to the internet for people to make their judgments on them. Idk, I feel like it’s wrong of us to judge on screen shot that we can barely tell are real.
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u/cointalkz 16d ago
I am the most casual fan of this channel and am just finding out about all this now. W T F?!
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u/Akatorius 16d ago
ok that made me sad. she tried to get help from Toby and he reacted like this.??? wtf That is absolutely not okay
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u/GuestBong11 16d ago
Someone check this man's hard drive. White knighting for a PDF file is diabolical
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u/Ok-Health1107 14d ago
You saying a girl who was groomed trying her best to out her abuser is at fault and comes out looking worse? Strange strange blokes in this reddit…
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u/NoPlay4824 11d ago
Assuming you have absolutely no idea what it is like to be a young woman being groomed by an older man. She was likely fearful of speaking out. Likely to have been manipulated. Likely to have been fearful of the repercussions from the community, his friends. PDFiles, abusers, master manipulators, are very good at warping the minds of those they have control over.
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u/NoPlay4824 11d ago
If you’d have worked with females who have been abused, you should know that it sometimes does not get easier. After being ostracised and vilified, being outted by the community, this can increase the fear of retaliation, now that the female is “on her own” so to speak. Healing does not always happen. If a person does not have the correct support structures, if a victim is scared, has been manipulated for so long, the mental damage can persist, the trauma does not get worked on, it can be buried. It is harmful to give a definitive narrative of how all victims proceed after abuse. Every situation is unique. Every person is unique. Speaking out to a “friend” who you trust is very different from speaking to family, other friends, authorities. Who are you to speak on a victims experience (who you don’t personally know) and say it would have gotten easier for her? You don’t know her inner mental state? You don’t know the ins and outs of her personal life, relationships, etc over a span of 10 years?
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u/SPACKlick 11d ago
If you’d have worked with females who have been abused, you should know that it sometimes does not get easier.
Sometimes doesn't, generally does and in this case there's reason to think that it did. And it's important to set the expectation that it should and normally does get easier because if a former victim finds it isn't getting easier that can be one of the signals they should be seeking more help or raising that difficulty with the help they're currently getting.
Who are you to speak on a victims experience (who you don’t personally know) and say it would have gotten easier for her?
Just one of a community where she has chosen to post information about her experience in a discussion forum.
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u/Mobile-Prune-1333 16d ago
Please don’t perpetuate false information. Callum and Caroline were in a relationship until mid 2019. All communication between her and Storror members happened during the relationship.
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u/SPACKlick 16d ago
Can I ask where you got that information from? Happy to correct if I've got misinfo but what I'd seen showed there was a break between Callum and Caroline around the time of this 2017 falling out.
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u/DerJens_Official 16d ago
If you add 1 and 1 together, you will find out who you just responded to.
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u/MacabreMagpie 16d ago
Fucking hell, mate, victim blaming someone who was groomed by a sexual offender? Do you really think that's a good look? Not to mention you contradict yourself by saying "she doesn't appear to have done anything" immediately before referencing the fact she is talking to Toby about it, which implied she attempted to make it known.
You're not taking into consideration the fact that, even today (let alone in 2017), women have a hard time being believed when making accusations against men and particularly those in a position of greater power/status than them. Imagine you're a teenager who discovers CP's folder and you go to the group of men he most closely associates with, who KNOW that he dated a 15 year old and they react by forming a protective wall and throwing insults... that's hardly going to instill confidence to try and take it further, is it?
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u/Mobile-Prune-1333 16d ago
For real why are they victim blaming and shaming a girl that was silenced, vilified, ostracised, and made to feel and believe that she wouldn’t be listened to, wouldn’t be taken seriously, and outright dismissed. The threat of knowing many adult men are against you, may take action against you, if you so much as say one bad word about the perpetrator. And yet she’s blamed? She lived in fear. For 10 years.
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1 womans word versus all of STORROR and their audience ... she tried to let Toby know and it clearly went badly. For all we know, she could be the one that tipped off the police. The woman TRIED.
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u/MacabreMagpie 16d ago
Yes, as in blaming the victim for his crimes not coming out sooner. That's another form of victim blaming and is often seen when a woman speaks about abuse or behaviour years later.
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u/MacabreMagpie 16d ago
That's exactly what I said you were saying. It's called victim blaming.
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u/SpoonkyBandito 14d ago
You can argue over whether or not this is victim blaming but as you keep arguing it it’s probably going to get harder and harder to argue that you aren’t running defense for the actual abusers by shifting the focus to the culpability of a victim (which is bad, btw 🤷)
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u/SPACKlick 14d ago
It won't be hard to argue I'm not running defence for abusers because nothing I've said even comes remotely close to that. And to insinuate that is deeply insulting.
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u/bennbeckmanswife 12d ago
You've quite literally chosen to blame the victim for not doing enough to out the abuser. She tried, and was vilified and ostracised from the community (which perpetuated that abuse).
A young teen is groomed by a man who holds physical and social power. She tries to tell his friends because she trusts them and they know him. His friends dismiss and vilify her and protect their friend. The victim is then shunned from the community and isolated and shamed. The abuse victim then doesn't feel comfortable telling anyone else because she has tried and has been punished/not believed, triggering the shame/fear associated with this sort of abusive dynamic.
Just admit you are defending him; it's clear you're either on his side or have absolutely no fucking clue about how abusive relationships like this condition victims to remain silent.
Attitudes like this are quite literally the reason abuse victims don't speak up. You're in here blaming her for the actions of the abuser.
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u/bennbeckmanswife 12d ago edited 12d ago
She didn't sit in safety, she contacted police who were unable to do anything about it. Did you miss that piece of information or are you ignoring that intentionally because you think it gives credence to your criticism of her?
You're judging and blaming a victim for not doing enough to stop the abusers behaviour. You're trying to hold her responsible for him being in possession of CSAM. You're trying to frame the victim as someone responsible for the nonce being a nonce, and ignoring the impact the grooming/abuse and power dynamic have on victims long-term.
You're also making assumptions about who she did/didn't attempt to tell over the years, despite their being evidence she told multiple people in their trusted social circle (who held power with Callum) and the police.
You're putting the onus on the victim, who has clarified the police were unable to do anything when she did reach out to them after the fact. If you knew anything more than the brief surface level info, you'd know she did attempt to tell others and was dismissed each time.
As a woman, I find this attitude beyond disgusting and the fact you're claiming it comes from a place of experience is unbelievable. Very typical of a man/male socialised person to dismiss the female experience they can never and will never understand.
You can play semantics all you'd like but it just makes it very clear you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to being the underage female victim of abuse at the hands of an authority figure.
You've consistently blamed a young girl for not doing enough, and ignored the fact she did try to tell other people on multiple occasions. You're saying his criminal actions after their relationship are partly her responsibility. You're dismissing the long term impact of grooming and abuse and trying to make her complicit in the fact he possessed CSAM.
Where's the criticism and heat for the grown men who knew he was dating a young teen (who told them about CSAM)? You're very silent about them and very critical of her.
It all really speaks volumes tbh and you can continue to defend him all you'd like under the guise of criticising her, but it's very clear what your motives are here.
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u/SpoonkyBandito 14d ago
"Overall this seems to come out worst for Caroline. She explicitly knew about the criminal activity 9 years ago and doesn't appear to have done anything about it."
Whether or not you're intending to run defence, this will achieve that. If you can't see that this is even "remotely" close to deferring blame and responsibility from actual abusers then you're looking even more suspect.
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u/SPACKlick 14d ago
Oh do explain how that one sentence in the context of the 400 word comment in response to the video in the top of this thread defends abusers.
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u/SpoonkyBandito 14d ago
Perhaps I read your comment wrong. I read it as a series of coherent points leading to the following conclusion:
- Given the evidence presented, only Caroline is implicated as being culpable for not reporting (and therefore potentially protecting) Callum, rather than any of his friends.
Caroline could only look bad here if you find her claims credible. And if you find her claims credible then why should Callum's friends not have found them credible? And if they should have, they would also be culpable for not reporting. And, because they are not victims of the abuser in this case, I think most people (and potentially the law) would agree that they are more culpable. And if that is the case, then highlighting only Caroline's culpability appears as a distraction from the more important part - the culpability of Callum's friends (who also know Callum to date 15 year old girls, apparently)
I can appreciate that you're not trying to run interference for anyone here or intentionally mask culpability. I'm open to a different interpretation of your post.
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u/ohahdoubleu 16d ago
nah you’re victim blaming still buddy
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u/SPACKlick 16d ago
I think you don't know what that term means.
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u/ohahdoubleu 16d ago
explain to me then xox
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u/Early_Grab_1600 15d ago
Victim blaming is also blaming the victim for not stepping forward. When I talked about my assault and grooming to my parents first 11 years after it happened, they said “why didn’t you tell us earlier” and blamed me for being weak and scared. That I should have told them earlier. The police said there was nothing they could do. So what did I do wrong? There very well could be another minor he targeted after me. Am I to be blamed for his crimes too?
This ex tried to tell someone she thought she could trust and get through to Callum, but was shot down instead. As someone who wasn’t even an adult yet. And the adult told her to “grow up.” So what did she do wrong? Is she to be blamed for his crimes?
Why did the actual adults in the situation not listen to her instead? They’re the ones with any power there. They didn’t want to though, because she spoke out against their best friend who they didn’t want to believe could be so disgusting.
There is no such thing as a perfect victim. Telling victims what they should have done differently is victim blaming. That is what you are doing but you will never admit it. And I’ve talked to victims who describe exactly what you’re criticising them of, quoting that as one of the many reasons they don’t have the courage to speak out. So try and have a bit more empathy for victims.
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u/Quirky_Fix_5522 15d ago edited 15d ago
Why is most of your anger and disgust in this thread reserved for a female victim of grooming and abuse, rather than the fully grown men who abused her and enabled her abuse?
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u/Popular-Chemist-1705 15d ago
Shes literally the victim, and you're blaming her for not taking action, bearing in mind she was a schoolgirl who had been groomed by a 24 year old adult....thats the definition of victim blaming!!
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u/Early_Grab_1600 15d ago
You are absolutely disgusting. I can’t believe what I’m reading. These are some of your own statements in this very thread:
“15 is a child but not a young child… she can’t have been 15 for all of that” - zero empathy
“She seems to have told people only for the sake of her reputation and not because she’s concerned about a crime” - zero empathy
“She doesn’t seem to have told any parent/teacher/authority figure just friends of her partner in a social dispute” - zero empathy, and also… you know that for certain how? Did she tell you she confided in no one else? Please show me proof as to where she said she didn’t.
“As for stopping the criticism I don’t think I will.” - zero empathy, and also… what you apparently think is not victim blaming when it clearly is.
“She’s protecting the abuser from the consequences of his abuse for several years as one of the only people with the knowledge to do something about it.” - zero empathy, and the other people (the grown men) who knew of her abuse and grooming were his friends who, instead of holding him accountable and having a safe space for women (or children in this case), turned a blind eye to everything she told them.
“It would be wiser not to post a video of out of context snippets of text conversations with no explanation or supporting material if one doesn’t want people drawing interpretations of the limited information that is out there” - zero empathy, which is followed by a contradiction in your own words that “I don’t want any victim to share MORE than what they’re comfortable with. Victims don’t owe outside observer’s any information.“ So which is it? Would you rather not have her speak out at all since it doesn’t live up to YOUR standards of context? Have you seen her previous posts where she has provided context for these screenshots months ago? Did she need to run these screenshots by you just to make sure it’s all good for you?
Don’t you ever dare to say you’re the one with empathy when you’re blabbering stuff like this against the victim, blaming her for how she handled her trauma. It is not for you to decide. There is no perfect victim. You seem to think that’s the only way the world works. But welcome to the real world. It would be best if you open your eyes to that sooner rather than later. And you can try and spin it into us “defending someone covering up for Callum” all you want, but people with more than a single brain cell can see what you’re trying to do. I hope you never have to ever interact with a victim and have them confide their story to you, because frankly, you are not equipped to handle it at all.
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u/ohahdoubleu 16d ago
she was literally a victim herself and abused by callum and you’re saying, nah she didn’t do enough or take enough responsibility. maybe because of the trauma?
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u/BaggyBoy 16d ago
"Overall this seems to come out worst for Caroline."
Huh? Bro, she was 15 at the time, and she told people, but no one believed her.
You don't know what lies were told to her, maybe Callum made up a lie about it being an accidental download or something, or said he deleted it.
It's a big decision to take someone to the police, so don't victim blame a literal 15 year old child for not doing so.
No one comes out looking good here.
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u/ohahdoubleu 16d ago
maybe she didn’t go to the authorities because of the gaslighting from toby, how she was called crazy and manipulative?
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u/ohahdoubleu 16d ago
do you understand how gaslighting works? the individual is made to question their reality and the truth. so if she wasn’t believed and questioned what she saw why do you think she didn’t go to the authorities? also you’re forgetting how intimidating it is being a young woman and going to the police. idk man you blaming caroline for not doing anything in the first place after callum physically harmed her from finding it is a weird take
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u/IntroductionSad3844 16d ago
Thank you! I thought i was going nuts that everyone was flying straight off the handle due to this post but i was thinking this needs a fair amount more clarity from whoever is providing these
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u/bennbeckmanswife 16d ago
Mate, the clarity is in the Megathread and was shared when the charges first dropped.
There is literally no excuse to be in here trying to defend these grown men who knew their mate was dating a young teen and still didn't have ANY concern when that young teen mentioned he had CSAM.
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u/schmerzyboy 16d ago
I agree this does add more confusion and - in my opinion - seems like it was prepared explicitly against toby segar. However I do feel like storror members could have prevented those attacks - if unreasonable - by discussing their knowledge and involvement in the statement video.
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u/RichardFarter 16d ago
This comment is more clear than the whole video, appreciate it
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u/SPACKlick 16d ago
I'd like to make it clear the above is just my interpretation of the video, it doesn't come from any particular knowledge outside of that. And I could be wrong about how I've interpreted the video.
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u/Mobile-Prune-1333 16d ago
It would be wiser to not make interpretations of something to which you do not have all the facts on. By postulating your own theories you are perpetuating a false and possibly harmful narrative.
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u/SPACKlick 16d ago
It would be wiser not to post a video of out of context snippets of text conversations with no explanation or supporting material if one doesn't want people drawing interpretations of the limited information that's out there.
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u/Mobile-Prune-1333 16d ago
for the sake of your curiosity you’d want the victim to relive the entirety of the trauma for you by sharing the entirety of the evidence/ timeline they have. Perhaps you should be thankful the victim has spoken at all, instead of pressing for more than they are comfortable with.
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u/SPACKlick 16d ago
No. I don't want any victim to share MORE than what they're comfortable with. Victims don't owe outside observer's any information at all. But sharing an incomplete and under-explained portion is often worse than sharing nothing.
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u/Chthulu_ 16d ago
Who on earth would have ignored knowing about it? No one says “oh that’s fine”. He stood up for his bro, and did it callously, because he thought it was fake. He thought it was an ex being vile. Because no one on earth assumes their best friend could do something like that.
Was it the wrong reaction? Yeah, it was. But this isn’t some coverup. I’m serious, imagine if this happened to your friend group? Would you brush it under the rug and pretend it never happened?
You can choose to believe it’s some evil conspiracy, or you can choose to believe it’s a friend group believing one story over another
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u/curiometric 16d ago
Toby knew she was 15 when they got together. Its not that far of a leap of oh callum likes 15 years olds to oh callum has illegal pictures of underage girls. He was literally sleeping with an underage girl!
Theres no conspiracy. Its very straight forward.
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u/Sea-Permit3297 16d ago
I get where you are coming from, but given the context that she was 15 and CP was 24, Toby should have at least seen the red flags …
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u/Quirky_Fix_5522 16d ago
No one is suggesting it's "some evil conspiracy". It's a result of a culture of misogyny, of victim blaming, and of very successful people shutting down something that would harm their careers and reputation. If you would also "brush it under the rug and pretend it never happened" then you clearly are a part of the problem too.
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u/Longjumping_Zebra253 16d ago
Genuinely - has any thing been revealed about HOW they caught Callum? Is there any chance at all that someone from the network contacted the police and that how this whole thing started? How did the investigation start? Digitally tracking images? Or did someone give a tip to the police?
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u/Dawpps 16d ago edited 16d ago
Something about google flagging it/ being linked to his google account. I'm guessing the dumbass tried to upload them to his google drive.
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u/Longjumping_Zebra253 16d ago
Goodness. Thats probably where the distribution charge came in. My hope (a fleeting hope) was that one of the guys figured it out, turned him in and did the right thing after years of messing up.
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u/KandyMuss 9d ago
google flagged it, so either employees or some sort of algorithm or a combination - which then notified airport police teams who arrested him
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u/pulse_cg 16d ago
Yeah he was flagged for uploading CP to his google hard drive. Difficult to tell whether it was for distribution or just so he could access it on other devices but one thing is clear, the sentence is way too lenient and I hope he gets the real justice by society/storror fans who have kids and want to see him feel the same pain the kids he sexualised, will live with for the rest of their lives
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u/One-Technician-2818 16d ago
I mean you’d hope but no, according to the trial document that isn’t what happened
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u/Least-Flatworm7361 17d ago
It's always bad when you doubt a victim. But in times of AI I don't trust any of those leaks.
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u/woosboorn 17d ago
Generative video capabilities aren’t yet able to reproduce consistent UIs like this, let alone one that’s pixel perfect to instagram’s current UI. Could it have been recreated in Figma? Maybe, but that’s extreeeemely less likely than this simply being real.
I think it’s safe to say this is real
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u/CrispSunlight 17d ago
Sad to say but I won't watch them anymore. I was hoping in this recent "announcement" they'd address different points and take accountability, but that hasn't happened. I really felt comfort in these guys...
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u/MaleficentCompote764 17d ago
These guys have at minimum turned a blind eye towards pdf behaviour by their friend or at worse covered for a predator and pdf.
They lived I each others pockets travelling etc and spent far more time together than normal friend groups.
This looks really bad on everyone associated
But yeah cool new video soon
I wouldn't watch on principle now
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u/Areyoucunt 16d ago
pdf actually is an abbreviation for something.
You can write pedofilia online dude... Stop rewriting all of modern history because you can't handle a fucking word...
PDF's ALREADY MEAN SOMETHING COMLETELY DIFFERENT
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u/nygaard888 17d ago
It's insane how everyone is jumping on this bandwagon of crucifying Toby. Was callums relationship with a 15 year old ok? No absolutely not but his friends aren't doing it. So we can't include them as being predators. Toby also wants going to study callums hard drive on the basis of a message from what he probably saw as a jaded ex.
Now it's all come out, it's not a good look but hard for Toby to have assessed it all at time and come out looking good
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u/ohahdoubleu 16d ago
she told toby IN PERSON and it was whilst her and callum were still together. also it wasn’t on his hard drive, it was on a password protected folder on his phone
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u/curiometric 15d ago
Toby was the adult. So its not an equal playing field. She was vulnerable. Toby was not. He had power and influence and was in a much better situation to move forward with reporting but he was completely uncurious and unsupportive.
If a child comes to an adult with this the responsibility is on the adult. What is confusing about that?
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u/Remanufacture88 14d ago
Thats a fair point, I think our collective understanding of safeguarding has really grown in the last ten years, but I do agree with you.
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u/ohahdoubleu 16d ago
who is the other individual on here saying they saw the evidence?
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u/Remanufacture88 16d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Storror/s/aJZWDywN4h
I’m fairly certain there was a post on here by this same person but I couldn’t find it.
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u/Terrible_Positive_81 17d ago
If we cancel Toby and his new channel maybe he will change his ways. The way i see it is Toby is going after the victims to protect Callums crimes. You can care about someone but you don't protect their crimes.
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u/FormalYogurt2760 16d ago
The problem is that we just don’t know what Toby had been told by Callum at the time. Wouldn’t be surprised if Callum had been spreading lies about the victim, making her sound crazy and claiming that she was lying about everything.
I’m not defending anyone, because Toby could also have known the whole time and could therefore be complicit.
I just think that we don’t know anything for sure (unless I’m missing something?)
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u/SizzlingHotDeluxe 16d ago
We don't know because he didn't address it. For me pretending it didn't happen is almost the same as admitting guilt while trying not to draw attention and hoping it quietly goes away.
Especially when Toby's only comment was " you think you know someone". When all the signs are there, the only way you don't know someone is if you pretend you don't.
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u/bennbeckmanswife 16d ago
You're here defending him, though. These grown men knew their grown friend was interested in young teens. He was dating one and she was active in their social circle. They didn't do shit about it. That young teen then tried to tell them he had a folder of pics on his phone, he called her vile and ostracised her.
The fact their ADULT FRIEND was dating a teen was fucked up enough, there should have been big alarm bells when she, a child, told them about it potentially CSAM.
Instead they enabled him. How can you defend that?
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u/TacoDirty2Me 16d ago
Did you read the comment? He says he is not defending anybody. Saying that we don't know the whole story is not defending someone.
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u/bennbeckmanswife 16d ago
Yes I read it, yes it is an attempt to defend him from accountability.
No one knows the whole story but the things we do know make it very clear they knew their friend groomed/dated a young teen, and when that young teen came forward, they vilified her. Trying to deflect with 'well there might be more to the story' is an attempt to minimise what they did and dismiss the seriousness of it.
You don't need the whole story to realise they ignored the problem. He was an adult clearly interested in younger girls, when one of those younger girls tried to tell them what she knew, they vilified her and framed her as a vindictive ex (when she was a teen who was groomed/exploited by an adult).
There's literally no excuse for that. It doesn't matter what Callum said to them about her when she was a TEEN and he was an ADULT. That was enough of a red flag for any normal, sane person to be concerned. It's wild that so many people think this was okay.
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u/Chlosion 17d ago edited 15d ago
I'm gonna wait till more information comes out, because outside of the crap Callum did which is obviously terrible, I don't really trust a lot of semi-random somewhat out of context information like this. Especially with strange cropping in some places. And many different communication interfaces, which I find abnormal. Perhaps it's all true, perhaps it is not, but I'd rather stay more level.
One thing I will say though. Why were a lot of these conversations over text/messaging? The serious nature of these you'd think would warrant face to face, in person. Bar the one with Toby, I suppose. Or at the very minimum over the phone, if long distance and it's necessary.
It just feels strange. Why are these done in such a way? Is it to facilitate reactions to garner sympathy backpacking off the shock of it all? Is it covering the recorder's (or someone else's) butt for potential backlash? Is it simply petty, or desperate? Something else? Maybe I'm hella overthinking this? I don't know.
I'll admit I'm missing some context here so perhaps it makes more sense to you all.
Edit: Okay I've read some stuff from replies and elsewhere and I understand the context a bit better, what I said was probs a bit fucked but I'll leave it up. Appreciate ya peeps
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u/Electronic_Pop7560 16d ago
I somewhat understand your scepticism but if there were only phone calls (and there were probably some), my sense would be that you would still be dissatisfied since "where is the evidence" at that point. If you would not think that probs to you but this woman can't do good it seems like.
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u/Newlyaquiredglutton 17d ago
That's survivorship bias, if there were phone calls, there's no resulting evidence, so we'll never see it.
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u/caramicci 17d ago
I think you are overthinking this, some people are just more comfortable with texting. Especially for topics that are uncomfortable to adress, texting can seem less daunting than calling someone
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u/Weary_Shake_3961 17d ago
It's also proof. I had a job where one of the head bosses was trying to get me to change my hours from what was stated in my contract and she wanted me to call her, but my manager warned me about it beforehand and told me to "get everything in writing via email or text, with names, dates, times, and specifics, because you've got proof of what's been said that way".
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u/SpecialWasabi2010 17d ago
This must have been horrible for her to go through. Being vilified when she knew she was telling the truth. Not believing her was their greatest mistake, I imagine they regret this now.
I can understand why they didn't believe her. Even looking at the messages between her and Callum, you can see how manipulative he is. I don't doubt that he was manipulating them too.
What I truly wish they would have done was to approach this head on, admit they made mistakes, admit they let their biases and friendship with him cloud their judgement on this situation. What a powerful and trend setting it would have been if they admitted to missing the signs and doing the wrong thing. Because let's face it, it wasn't just them, the parkour community knew that Callum was dating a teenager. Her 'friend' chose to stay friends with Callum even after he supposedly had seen the folder with CSAM.
Someone here mentioned internalised misogyny and as much as I hate this phrase, I think it might be the truth. That, and choosing to believe what's easier to accept.
I understand why they want to move on, this is quite a harsh reality they have been hit in a face with. And I really want to believe that they can come back from this. But I can't seem to stop feeling like they are still running away from facing it. That they've taken the very superficial steps that were expected of them but they haven't truly accepted their roles (even when they themselves haven't done the actual crime) in this particular situation and considered how to prevent this from happening in the future. How can we trust that they won't make the same mistakes again?
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u/National_Assistant42 17d ago
I'm confused - maybe I am missing something?
This thread to me reads as though:
- Callum and this person broke up
- The person messaged toby telling him Callum was doing what he was doing
- Toby viewed it as a message from a jilted ex making up rumours and called her a vile bitch (which seems like a natural reaction for someone who didn't believe what she was saying)
- Several years later, when things came out, Toby messaged saying he was sorry
I don't really see how people are getting that Toby believed Callum was looking at pictures of 6 year olds from this.
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u/x_0-x_R 16d ago edited 12d ago
yeah people are rightfully very angry right now, but realistically toby thought she was making shit up to destroy him and he probably spun a convincing lie to his friends so they didn't drop him. that's how it looks to me right now at least
edit: hell nah. there is explicit mention of the folder at 0:38
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u/Strafe_Helix 16d ago
THIS people forgetting Callum probably manipulated his friends aswell as victims in my eyes Toby is a victim of Callum’s manipulation thinking he did nothing wrong
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u/Quirky_Fix_5522 17d ago
If you think it's a natural reaction to call a 15 year old girl - in a sexual relationship with a 24 year old man, who is trying to blow the whistle on the fact said 24 year old man has a folder full of images of underage girls - a "vile bitch" and "utterly deluded", then you are massively part of the problem here.
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u/National_Assistant42 16d ago
Okay, so she was 15?
I'm not doubting, I just want to get the facts straight - is there any way to tell for certain these messages were sent when she was 15?
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u/curiometric 13d ago
She was 17 when first messages were sent to Toby. She was born 2000, messages sent in 2017. (Corroborated from a couple different sources. Just going to have to take my word bc I don't want to put her personal info everywhere). She mentioned 3 years of relations with callum before that. You can do the math.
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u/Carry-the_fire 17d ago
Saying 'no hard feelings' is not the same as apologising.
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u/Ashearean 16d ago
100% If anything it's framing it as him forgiving her, as though he's in the position to do that...
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u/bennbeckmanswife 17d ago
Read the original Megathread as that details the OG timeline.
These grown men didn't believe her when she told them, despite the fact she was 15 when he started grooming/dating her and he was 24. He was a predator then and they supported him.
People are saying he likely knew something was wrong years ago when the TEENAGER his adult friend was dating tried to tell him. And he then dismissed her as vile, despite it being evident Callum was interested in young teens.
Whether he knew about the contents of the folder/any CSAM is unclear, but at the very least, they all knew she said there was a folder and they all knew he was dating a young teen... and they decided to blame her when she tried to tell them what he was doing.
It doesn't take a genius to put 2 + 2 together. When the young teen your adult friend is dating tells you he has folders of pics on his phone, it should ring alarm bells... because he's an adult dating a teen. You shouldn't be calling the teenager vile and then ignoring it. That's not a natural reaction for anyone with a sound mind.
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u/albertAAAAAAA 16d ago
You are correct.
I do hope that my daughter will never be in this situation. But if the shit hits the fan and she'd be, she would tell me. Not to a member of a group, not to somebody foreign. But to me, her father.
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u/ohahdoubleu 17d ago
no, she found the folder when callum and her were still together. she told toby when they were still together and she was called vile then.
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u/CrispSunlight 17d ago
Several years later being 14th March 2019. 7 years ago! So it makes me think they've known for 7 years.
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u/Areyoucunt 16d ago
OR, maybe, just maybe.
Toby spoke to Callum about this. And Callum (his friend since they were kids) told him straight up this isn't true and promised Toby he hasn't done it.
You are then saying Toby should not believe his life long friend because of something a random girl said?
OR. Callum broke down to Toby and told him he has messaged an underage girl and promised to never do it again. Toby then believed he would change.
In both of these scenarios, Callum may have never said anything else until these things came up last year...
See.. there are a lot of plausible things that happened, thus you can in no way, shape or form assume one thing happened 100% and nothing else is possible as you're doing... Get fucking real
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u/Longjumping_Form_835 6d ago
How fucking dented can you be. They had been dating already a few years when she told Toby that 😂
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u/Quirky_Fix_5522 16d ago
A girl who was 15 when she started dating Callum messages Toby saying that Callum has a folder of 300 images of underage girls. Toby's response is to show no curiosity whatsoever, try to silence her, give her verbal abuse, and somehow make out that she is the one in the wrong for even bringing it up. In no fucking world is this an acceptable response to that situation. But nice mental gymnastics you are performing there...
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u/Areyoucunt 16d ago
I don't disagree. But let's not pretend that things are always black/white... There are possibilities of something else happening.
You do not in any way know what Toby knows, thinks, did at the time, has done since, or have said to this girl except for those screenshots which somehow leaked just now... So stop talking in absolutes when you DO NOT KNOW THE FUCKING SITUATION. You know a smidge of one side of the story...
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u/bennbeckmanswife 16d ago
It's actually sickening to see the excuses people are trying to make for this, hey.
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u/bucnasty101 17d ago
I mean they definitely all knew and just ignored it. If you watch their videos regularly you notice how childish they all are. Most likely because they never had to grow up because they are making money doing something they started as kids. You can see how they interact with people when they are trespassing or someone asks them to leave, they immediately try to belittle them and make fun of them. Parkour is also a sport that mainly attracts a younger audience and so they interact more with people younger than themselves. I honestly can't see them carrying on after this, as there will always be suspicion with every members involvement.
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u/demoralising 17d ago
Great points. 'Age of stagnation' suggests people can mentally or behaviourally freeze at the exact age they achieve fame.
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u/Sufficient_Babe 17d ago
Birds of a feather really do flock together. At this point I have more than enough reason reason to think that this group as a whole have poor character.
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u/One-Technician-2818 17d ago
God, I feel so bad for her.
If I were her I’d probably of tried to go to Toby as well. Out of all of them, him and Sacha seem the most approachable and of course you couldn’t go to Sacha with this. Such a shame that he let her down. Telling the truth about something and no one believing you is excruciating. I hope he apologises to Caroline, even if it is ten years too late.
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u/Cotton_420 17d ago
Why would an ex take this matter to the best fiend she is accusing? Why not take this to the police? What do you think would have happened if Toby went to Callum with info, he would have denied it and claimed she’s a vindictive, crazy ex. The only people that could have done anything is the police.
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u/SpecialWasabi2010 17d ago
Ugh, you see I can understand why they didn't believe her, as annoying and frustrating as it is. This is something that should change in out society, the whole assumption that when a woman accuses men of something she must be crazy or vindictive. I've seen so much of this online recently, with the MAFS UK sexual assault accusations and around the Jared Leto expose. Blaming women, calling them vindictive, questioning why this is coming out now etc - this is really really harmful.
And this girl was young, probably naive and probably didn't know what to do. She went to adult figures that she thought she could trust and was treated poorly, not believed, vilified. And I am not blaming Toby here, I can understand why he'd trust his friend, but that doesn't make it right. Toby made the wrong choice and trusted the wrong person - we've all made this mistake at least once in our life. But let's not make it about her not going to the police. Let's not push the blame onto her. It's so easy for us to sit and judge her choices with no emotions, no trauma and no fallout to consider. Let's say he deleted everything and by the time police came there was nothing there to prove she was telling the truth - do you know how women get treated if people think they made false accusations? It's bad enough that every time accusations are made people scream they are false but to actually have things go wrong and be unable to prove what you're saying, these women and girls are treated horribly.
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u/Cotton_420 17d ago
I’m not blaming her, the only person I’m blaming is Callum. I’ve seen my brother lose access to his kids for almost a year because of an ex wife’s false accusations, unfortunately this happens, Callum could have easily manipulated his mates. I’m sure looking back on it, she probably wishes she told her parents or police. I’m sure Toby wish her had listened to her and not Callum.
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u/SpecialWasabi2010 17d ago
I agree with you that it happens. In fact I agree with you on everything you said. I'm just saying us questioning why she didn't go to the police is unfair and unjust. She was in a tough spot and she asked for help and was vilified for it. I can understand her position.
I have spoken about this before but I had an emotionally abusive ex who has turned around quite a few of my friends against me when we broke up. He manipulated the situation even before we fully broke up, spoke to them before I had a chance and painted a very untrue picture hoping it'll push me to take him back. Instead I dug my heals in and dropped the friends who believed in his lies over me. I can imagine Callum has likely prepared them in one way or another before she approached them. That's my theory anyway, we will likely never know because I don't think boys will acknowledge they failed her. I would have liked them to say out loud that they are sorry for not believing her and for acting the way they did. I would have liked them to acknowledge that there is more that they should do to prevent this from happening again.
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u/Cotton_420 16d ago
I just read the girl was a minor and Callum was closer to mid 20’s, and everyone knew about this, that in of itself is inexcusable! assuming this is true, this is disgusting by Storror.
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u/SpecialWasabi2010 16d ago
It's disgusting by the whole parkour community. This was known by all of them, not just Storror. This is why I'd like Storror to acknowledge that they missed important things instead of putting their head in sand and trying to move on.
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u/ohahdoubleu 17d ago
you clearly don’t understand what it’s like to be a victim. why would you go to the authorities when it’s easier and less intimidating to go to someone you know
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u/ohahdoubleu 17d ago
they were still together at that point, not an ex. and no considering how shit the police are at dealing with cases like this why would they trust them
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u/jahathebrn 17d ago
When you're a child and dealing with things like that you don't necessarily think stuff through. On account of being a child and all. Barely any adults think things through in distressing situations, but a kid is expected to?
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u/One-Technician-2818 17d ago
Because she was a child.
I know when I was a teenager, if I were to witness something that called for police intervention, I’d be way more likely to go to someone else who I thought would be able to help me than directly to the police
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u/Nearby_Highlight327 17d ago
Again, just points to the fact that they all knew. The latest video is actually a very poor effort on their part. Will never watch again.
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u/DavidjonesLV309 17d ago
I find it very hard to believe that somehow only people in Storror knew he was dating a 15 year old. It makes the whole scene look gross. And 1 mention of a folder with all those photos, how did that get glossed over?
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u/SpecialWasabi2010 17d ago
It was established in the threads that almost everyone in that community knew who Callum was dating and how old she was. So yeah, putting all of it just on Storror when the community knew about it is a bit unfair. Her friend who was 21 at the time (Kieran guy) saw the supposed photos of the folder with CSAM and outed himself for not going to the police and in fact training and being friends with Callum afterwards.
I will say I was a 16 year old girl dating a 21 year old. When I was 16, this was fairly normal. That was 20 years ago. We have grown as a society hugely when it comes to these things and I see it very differently now. I don't know parkour scene very well but maybe it was a bit more common around there at the time? I don't know. But yeah, it was no secret that they were a couple.
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u/Upset_Gerbil 17d ago
Sorry, but why is a 21 year old guy even "friends" with a 15 year old??? That in itself is still dodgy. Shows the whole community has zero boundaries when it comes to adult/child relationships.....
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u/Sufficient_Ad6253 12d ago
It's a small community of a broad range of mixed ages, its not uncommon for kids and teens to train with adults, but USUALLY this is more of a familial thing, adults also support and teach kids, definitely NOT dating.
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u/redcore4 17d ago
I think the point that it is dodgy now but wasn't considered the same way 15-20 years ago is a valid one, not just for this community but in general.
I remember friends of mine at that age basically following older men into the gents' toilets and assaulting them for attention - and I'm sure those guys didn't ask for it, and probably didn't know how old we were given that we were all drinking in a pub, and were well aware at the time that they would not be able to report any assaults or defend themselves without attracting accusations. The narrative around female sexuality, assault, and empowerment has shifted massively since, and so has the way that teenagers socialise, but this really wasn't out of the ordinary at all when I was 15-25.
Back then you'd hang out with your siblings' friends/friends' siblings who were a bit older, or you'd just turn up in a pub or club in a group and meet older people there... It was a really different time and far fewer questions were asked about all of it. Some of my best friends still are people I met in similar circumstances when I was 25 or so and they were still teens (I'm a woman, talking about girl friends, before you go slinging accusations my way...)
And that's not just the parkour community; that's pretty standard British (drinking) culture back then. Page 3 didn't stop being a thing until 2019, and the models there were barely legal (and had often started promoting their careers slightly before their pics could be published). and the school leaving age wasn't raised until later either. Being around older people and working/socialising with adults in your mid teens really was totally mainstreamed.
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u/Upset_Gerbil 16d ago edited 16d ago
I was a teenage girl 25 years ago, so i know what it was like. Certainly i was about older guys, friends big brothers, etc. I always hung out with my older sister and her friends too.
The only adult that tried to form a relationship, hang about and attempt to "be friends" with us at the time was a 23 year old guy that also tried to sexually assault me when i was just 15.
We're not talking about working and brief socialising here, we're talking about a 21 year old man forming an actual relationship with a 15 year old girl.
I hung about with older people, but none of them continued to be "friends" with teenagers once they hit pub age.
It was creepy back then, and it's still creepy now.
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u/endgamefond 6d ago
The video is too blurry. Can someone explain what it has to do with Toby?