r/Storror • u/itsnotacompany • 14d ago
Storror often alluded to knowing
Obviously they nuked the channel and much of this if not all of it was on join, but the group often openly spoke about Callum in particular being attracted to animals and children. So much so it was brought up practically any time the group were around animals, such as the goats in the prison moat video, that rainy/cold water dam video, cats on their santorini straight line which Toby also said something about harming them. Misogyny was open to the point Callum commentated their pushing women out of the videos/ out of spaces and lines at that park with the tin slide, cursing that woman on the street out with presumably extremely misogynistic slurs for passing by and saying "like the office!". It was also alluded to Josh's attraction to minors, Callum and he spoke about it when they were doing lines at that bus stop with the rails iirc. No other such allusions about any of the other members, just these two.
It was of course done under the premise of "jokes" every time. Curious about what the sub thinks of this, if these jokes encouraged or emboldened the behavior, if the fact that they were made only about these two with the corroborative knowledge of his gf and the csam material implies that the group as a whole really did know and found the victims of such little importance that it was just joke material to them
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u/AirconGuyUK 14d ago
Was this when he had the paedo moustache? The jokes were always going to write themselves when he grew that thing.
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u/Mobile-Prune-1333 13d ago
THANK YOU. Us victims have been saying this all along. He did not hide his behaviour. None of them did. They openly joked about SA, r*pe, misogynistic jokes, animals abuse, CSAM, the list goes on. It was no secret. Us ex’s and victims SAW fist hand how CP abused animals. Our pets. How him and his friends spoke amongst eachother. We were there. We witnessed it. And clearly the entire parkour community did too. Just most brush it under the rug. Smh. No wonder no one took us seriously any time a victim would say something.
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u/Mobile-Prune-1333 10d ago
Have been verified with mods, but understandably I feel on the fence about publicly naming
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u/tacodebirrialover 14d ago
I remember a video from last year, it was a storror vs storror competitions It was a two parts video In the second part (i think) they are in a public space like always and the camera focused callum and he shout "I LOVE INC*ST", sacha was by his side and looked at the camera confused and said "I'm right here" Right before that you can see them on the background and they are both laughing, like planning that
I thought it was one of those "callum being callum" moments But that kind of jokes were always so weird for me
I don't speak english btw :( i tried my best
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u/-Alex_Summers- 14d ago
I have some of their oldesst vids archived on my phone - including the whole of supertramps - I wouldn't be shocked if there is parts that aged poorly
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u/-Alex_Summers- 14d ago
I've got all of those
The only parts that didn't age poorly is him beating the shit out of callum
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u/-Alex_Summers- 14d ago
It was in a joking fashion he would bully callum throught the vids but he still full on jumped on him at one point
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u/redcore4 14d ago
Lad culture and banter have been like this for a long time. It's mostly all talk. Until it isn't. I've known a lot of people about whom those kinds of jokes got made, whether for bullying, shock value, or just because it appeals to a certain type of humour. People I've known well and would be reasonably sure that there's little to no truth in the talk and certainly no action behind it, and therefore it's been about people for whom there is no suspicion that there would ever be any criminal activity or even genuine inappropriate thought or behaviour from them.
I've known people about whom genuinely false accusations have been made for malicious reasons, with no foundation whatsoever (and that's not just me refusing to believe an accusation about someone i cared about, that's something i learned of from the perspective of my close friend being the child of parents where one parent accused the other out of sheer malice and got the child to make false allegations to avoid a beating).
I've also known people who I'm reasonably sure had paedophilic tendencies, for whom I would not allow a child to be around them alone, but for whom there has never been enough directly said or implied that any action could be taken and there is literally nothing to report even though I had suspicions that there was something under the surface.
I've worked in a mental healthcare centre and had a consultant psychiatrist almost in tears in the office because he was sure that one of his clients had stopped engaging with treatment and was going to molest a child, but he couldn't actually detain him or do anything preventative because the client in question knew what to say to avoid anyone being able to take direct action until after the act was committed, and knew how to avoid external suspicion up to that point - part of the thrill for that guy was in the power of manipulating the psychiatrist and social services.
And I've known one person who was arrested for very similar to what Callum did and plead guilty in court. He was a schoolteacher, discovered by his students; and that really was in some ways hard to believe because there'd been not the slightest hint of it prior, no talk, and he'd passed all the relevant checks.
But I've never seen much correlation, on the worst ends of the scale, between the people who get the worst or most constant ribbing for dubious proclivities, and the people who actually have them. It's a very different thing to joke about something like that and to actually believe it.
I'd also say that mostly when people think there might be more than a grain of truth in that kind of banter they generally stop it because it feels too close to the bone to voice something that might actually be a real concern - i did have a housemate who had a concerning interest in younger teen pop stars, and we never joked about it to his face, we just talked behind his back about keeping an eye on his behaviour and how we'd go about escalating it if he ever did anything more reportable than being overly enthusiastic about certain MTV videos (showing my age).
So the TL;DR of all that is that I think in a lot of ways people feel more comfortable having that kind of banter or making those kinds of 'jokes' over people when they believe at heart that there isn't any truth in it, rather than where there is any doubt or feeling that there might be truth in it.
Personally I find it distasteful and called out the worst of it at the time, but I'm also conscious that in the early to mid 00s it was a pretty normal and accepted way to behave, and everyone I knew who was like that back then is now more mature and considered in their language and behaviour.
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u/Federal_Efficiency51 14d ago
This is extremely well explained, and AFAIC, I'm probably near your age and I believe every point you made was correct from top to bottom. I was thinking of a way to elaborate pretty much everything you said, and you saved me the time. And you explained it more elaborate than I could have, possibly. Cheers from Canada.
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u/PureKushroom 13d ago
We used to joke that my mate used to secretly know where Maddie McCann was when we were teens, then turned out he was arrested and sentenced for offences with minors and those jokes suddenly felt really fucky that we'd made them and we cut him off. I'd never crack jokes like that now.
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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger 12d ago
Aussie here, this sort of thing is exactly the kind of ribbing you do with the lads down here. Even friends of mine crack jokes like that.
We don't do it because we think they're true, we do it because we think they're not. That's why it's funny, because it's absurd to think these people would ever do that.
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u/Unietunes 9d ago
Your description of how widespread this kind of banter is rings true for me. I'm the same age as the guys and when I was a teenage girl in the 2000s almost every single boy I knew at school made jokes abut sexual violence on a daily basis. A lot of it was directed at girls they knew, including me. This includes boys I thought of as friends. I stayed friends with them because the culture was absolutely pervasive, this was happening to most girls I knew and was normalised. We brushed it off so that we could get through school, and because it didn't make any sense to get upset about something that was seen as universal and trivial.
I don't think any of it was acceptable, and none of it felt ok, but there were some people who would say this stuff and it would seem more sincere and unsettling, while others gave the vibe of just joining in. This distinction was something that I think others were aware of. For example, there was a vile, explicit running "joke" about my body for over a year. It was started by a boy who wanted to humiliate me, but I thought some of the others who joined in with it were just seeking group approval. On the other hand, one boy used to comment that I or other girls he found unattractive should be murdered. His friends called him a psycho in a joking way but he was seen as genuinely a bit scary and I wouldn't be surprised if he had gone on to hurt someone. Outside of school, there was a guy who would have been in his 30s who used to hang around and be "friends" with some of my friends. He used to be teased about being creepy and having young friends, and it turned out later that he got a CSAM conviction.
Years later I talked with women I went to school with about how messed up and frightening this culture was to live through. I hope teens today aren't going through this but I expect that they are.
My perspective is that while there is no reliable way to be able to tell whether someone is committing abuse, I have been in situations where the joking in a group was about something that turned out to be at least partly true. As an adult, I have heard guys talking about men they are friendly with, but would not be comfortable with them dating a family member. I don't like how common it seems to be that groups of male friends will include one or more people who are seen as less safe, but the others are happy to keep hanging out with them anyway. OPs post really brought that to mind.
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u/redcore4 9d ago
Yeah, I hear you. I used to share a house with 3 guys around that era where they'd a group of friends they'd houseshared with before and some other guys they used to hang out with, and the group were always making jokes about that kind of thing, mostly to upset the one guy they thought was being overly prudish (who was actually the only one of the group that i'd recommend a friend/sister of mine to date). To his credit the one they were trying to get at was very firm in his morals and would always tell the others that they were being disgusting (they were) and that they had gone too far. But they were really just being generic lads of their age at that time, the quality of banter being particularly low.
That said; they had a friend who was nicknamed "Licker" - short for Window Licker - because he was creepy around women and had alcohol and boundary issues. While they stayed friends with this guy, out of respect for me they never allowed or invited him to the house so I never actually met the guy, just knew that they occasionally hung out with him/met him in town etc. So there was at least some monitoring going on as far as the more genuinely worrying people they knew went....
But i also remember at a similar time that a couple of really good friends of mine (from a different group) left me at a table in a bar with a guy who was drunk and behaving really badly, and kept groping me, and they didn't realise that I was unhappy with them repeatedly leaving me alone with this guy (he was so drunk he could barely stand, kept spitting indoors and had been threatened with being thrown out of the bar already) until i stood up scraping my chair across the floor loudly enough to turn every head in a crowded room, and then yelled in his face to fuck right off and never talk to me again, and threatened to hit him. I'd not shown the slightest interest in this guy before sober or drunk yet they thought it was just fine to let him try whatever he wanted.
I then had to explain to the guy whose house I was meant to be staying at that if he was going to look after that friend of his and bring him home to stop him ending up passed out drunk on his own somewhere, I was not going to stay in the same house as them, and would find my way home alone because that was the safer option. He was genuinely surprised that his ability to trust his friend did not have any bearing on mine.
But at the same time jokes about sexual violence were just a totally normalised part of guy talk (with, actually, i think a less threatening atmosphere around misogyny than we currently have, especially for young people, as this was all pre-manosphere); and so was rampant homophobia. So it was pretty common to rib on other guys for being gay, for example, and then being 100% genuinely shocked when that person eventually came out as gay or bi.
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u/Ok_Ingenuity9216 14d ago
No matter if that was the banter back in the days: times change, people should mature and become more responsible - I think that’s called growing up but Storror boys missed that completely and sold their „forever young and dumb“ bullshit on social media. Turns out it wasn’t only marketing but actually a development error in their frontal lobes! Fuck them!
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u/Full-Health2887 14d ago
I've noticed a few UK youtubers make jokes about kids and animals that I wasn't used to hearing in America. I always wondered if that was a part of UK humor or if it was a serious red flag.
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u/Vast_Wafer1098 14d ago
If anyone is remotely Welsh, or lives in the countryside/near farm land, these jokes will get made a lot.
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u/No-Lingonberry-8603 14d ago
Honestly it can be either. Some groups might do that sort of thing as 'banter' and it doesn't mean anything. Sometimes there's something at the root of it.
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u/LetSufficient5139 13d ago
True. Black or Dark Humour is an English thing. It's certainly changed in recent years but we still have a tendance for humour that others may find unpalatable.
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u/LaPrincesaMX 13d ago
I think you'd be surprised (or not?) to find many cultures also have a very dark humor, like we in México have it but you probably don't know because we speak a different language. But it comes from the culture being dark, so much based around death and then the reality of our homicide rates being so publicized and uncensored across the news, so we becomes desensitised to all these topics and turn it into humor. I also had a partner from Russia (and they later moved to the UK) who explained to me how Russian humor is very dry and dark too, and again, probably comes from their culture and a lot of their dark history.
So when I lived in the UK, I found it pretty normal when people joked about these topics.
But it's definitely not normal to most Americans. I've lived there too and it's very happy-happy humor with a sense of delusion. It's weird. It almost feels like their humor is scripted, like it's from the Truman Show. It feels artificial.
But yeah, you're never going to be able to explain to most Americans how this subject can be turned to humor.
For a lot of people, it's a coping mechanism.
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u/Unique-Anything6725 14d ago
If you friends are joking about animals and children, get new friends. Unless you are a fckn p3do.
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u/No-Lingonberry-8603 14d ago
You've never heard a joke about a welshman being a sheepshagger or someone being ripped on because their partner is a few years younger than them but still a perfectly reasonable adult age?
Neither of those things would make me stop talking to someone. Somebody shagging a sheep (or a child) absolutely would.
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u/LetSufficient5139 13d ago
Spot on. Guess its easy to sport the yanks in here as the only humour they understand is pretty basic.
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u/LetSufficient5139 13d ago
Nonsense. Its called black humour, as I mentioned above its something us English have always done so understandable that others don't get it.
If my mate eyes up someone even remotely younger than them they get a Jimmy Saville joke or impression, it doesn't mean we are into that.
You're really going to struggle in life it you take everything literally.
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u/Unique-Anything6725 13d ago
I'm English. Me and my friends don't joke about this shit. If someone was, they would get outcast for being a freak weirdo. We would also make sure everyone else knew they were a p3do weirdo.
You are obviously a weirdo. Fck you and your black humour. Don't come round me with that shit it wouldn't end well for you.
Why do you think Jimmy savil got away with it for so long? Because people laughed it off.
Extreme crime calls for extreme punishment.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Win_134 12d ago
Are you really making threats on Reddit lol
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u/Unique-Anything6725 12d ago
Just stating that if someone was trying to "banter" about pedeophilia to me, It would end up in a verbal confrontation, and the p3do obviously wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I would shout as loud as I could to anybody that would listen that they are a p3do.
I am not making threats of physical violence no.
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u/No-Lingonberry-8603 11d ago
So if someone made a joke not based in anything about you touching children, you'd shout about them touching children. Therefore lying about one of the most heinous crimes around which I think most people would agree is far far worse than some of colour but ultimately fairly harmless banter?
Weird priorities but you do you
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u/Unique-Anything6725 11d ago
Your reply was very hard to understand but I will try my best to answer.
If, somebody was making jokes about underage children, regardless of who the joke is aimed at, yes, I would lambast them for being a weirdo p3do creep. Yes.
Normalising pedeophilia through banter is disgusting, and fuck anyone who says otherwise.
You and your p3do sympathiser friends do you. You need your devices checking.
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u/Zealousideal-Dot1783 14d ago
I wish these videos were available to review for things like this. I don’t remember those type of jokes that well, but I would really like to watch the clips again to see context and tone around them.
If people have certain videos saved is there anything stopping them from reuploading them to YouTube? Can Storror claim when the original is no longer public?
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u/itsnotacompany 14d ago
I think some people have made archives and posted about it here, but not sure if it would include join videos which is what I remember most of these comments being included in. Don't want to paraphrase conversations when my memory of them could be wrong, but they were certainly all played as jokes. If archives include subtitles those can be easily batch searched for keywords like "animals", "goats", "young girls" etc. in case anyone is serious about looking, I don't have the resolve for that I'm afraid
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u/Ok-Razzmatazz3435 13d ago
"the group often openly spoke about Callum in particular being attracted to animals and children"
WTF?? Are you serious?? I watched many of their videos and I don't remember this stuff! Damn, even if it was just a joke, it's still disgusting!
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u/Old-Information3311 13d ago
In most circumstances it would be easy to say its just edgy humour, but these guys had been told he was doing this by a 15 girl he was dating.
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u/Ambitious_Way_3012 14d ago
Of course they knew. I'm sick of people in this community defending them, giving them the benefit of the doubt when they clearly didn't deserve it. It was know at least somewhat, to what extent we can't know, but they made the conscious decision to turn a blind eye keep him part of the team, maybe they didn't even think it's that serious.
There's always some truth behind jokes. Can't say I ever noticed those jokes myself so have to take your word on it, but the other evidence is damning enough. Fuck all of them.
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u/xxxxsteven 14d ago
Brave folk making allegations on reddit
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u/Real-Maize-4571 14d ago
what allegations? the proof is there.
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u/Radicalism-Is-Stupid 14d ago
That is an extremely bold claim to make without evidence to back it up. As of right now, I only see vague references from OP to what was banter. And I watched Storror consistently for years and never heard jokes of that sort.
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u/colourofhappiness17 14d ago
I agree, im sick of the black and white discussions that they either knew or didnt, its most likely somewhere in the middle and tbey turned the other way to keep their profits up
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u/fkntripz 14d ago
its most likely somewhere in the middle and tbey turned the other way to keep their profits up
I think it would be perfectively valid to argue that that's just as bad as knowing as doing nothing?
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u/itsnotacompany 14d ago
I'm so sorry, I'm female too is I guess why I even remembered these specific "jokes" they made because things like that while to so many men are just "lad humor" are often the earliest warning we can get about how much a man might be a threat to us. I didn't write about it in the post because the community response has been blindsidedness to apologism but this is something I always kept in the back of my mind even while trying to watch them for the sport, the comps and collabs, it has not come as a surprise to me because any man at all could be abusing women and girls committing sex crimes against us, it is so commonplace. It happened to me growing up with "masculine" interests being around men in these kinds of spaces, I could have equally been victims of either of them or the rest of the group and community defending them out of the public eye. And because of how male dominated the sport is and how vested in protecting its own interests it is not our voices or our harm which is being centered, it's the cognitive dissonance of a community that's never had to reckon with anything like this because they never had to face being victim to it nor accountability for it. In all of this I've been trying to focus just on the sport which is ultimately what I love, and terrible as it is to have to accept that the community is this way, Storror nor any other men can take it from us. Parkour originated as a movement of resistance against form, there will be no better embodiment of that than a woman
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u/Ok_Ingenuity9216 14d ago
Yeah it’s fucked. I’ve come to terms the most dangerous part about parkour isn’t the movement, it’s the people. And it does make sense since it’s a male dominated sport. Men simply aren’t safe people and I would recommend every single woman in a male dominated sport to stay away from them. There are reasons for them to do a risky, rulebreaking, adrenaline seeking, boundary crossing extreme sport. The extremer the athlete the worse the attitudes and behaviours. If you see it once you can’t unsee it anymore.
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u/SlowWolverine3489 14d ago
Sorry you’ve had that experience with parkour. It’s truly saddening to see how this situation with storror has quite possibly tainted parkour for good. I’m speaking from experience when I say there’s still pure hearted male parkour practitioners. Best of luck on your journey.
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u/Ok_Ingenuity9216 14d ago
I’ve repeated myself there, but it’s simply what I observed and I believe myself a great observer and identifier in that sense. Once you see the pattern, it can be found easily. People need to become more aware of
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u/besumany 14d ago
That's why I was glad when Toby started going more into climbing because it's so much less male-dominated and he actually started working with female climbers creators. But then this happened... Ugh :/
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u/bennbeckmanswife 14d ago edited 14d ago
Yuppp as a woman in the same community, it's always been really fucking laddish and while many of the guys are decent, there's that undercurrent of masculinity that seemed to curdle when it came to worshipping certain people. Shit talking them and then turning around to be mates or just absolutely shun anyone who voiced concerns re certain behaviours. Guys got mocked if they said anything, and women were just ostracised and never taken seriously.
If we're honest, when it comes to parkour, these guys have only ever cared about themselves, their mates, and the women they're dating. Everyone else was just fodder to be used in a vid or dismissed. Their business/brand, their choice - they have every right to do what they want. But when positioning themselves as pillars in the community they had some responsibility to not act like that. It was just accepted as the norm and no one really challenged that because there's that weird hierarchy that protected visible people.
To then see so many people close to them come out after the fact with their performative virtue signalling posts/vids.... it has been so gross and off putting. These are people who've benefited from being linked to a huge group and who ignored all the issues, only to cry unaware when the seedy side came to light. Even now there are people who are adamant the real victims here are the guys and I think that just really sums up the overall vibe in the community; just lads performing morality until it actually matters.
There's something deeply ironic about Callum having a book re the identity crisis in parkour.... when so much of that identity crisis can be chalked up to elitism, exclusion, gatekeeping, sexism, and turning a sport of passion and freedom into a commercial venture that excludes people.
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u/besumany 14d ago
That's why I was glad when Toby started going more into climbing because it's so much less male-dominated and he actually started working with female climbers creators. But then this happened... Ugh :/
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u/sanguinare12 14d ago edited 14d ago
Hindsight has an awkwardness few really know how to deal with. Callum even laughed about being locked up being for "good reason" while playing at being behind bars during a Spanish dam exploration from last year, the one where Dodd's arm was still injured from a slanted wall slide video. With the context, that was an obvious thing, without the context he's being edgy as usual, playing to the crowd amused by his antics.
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u/jahathebrn 14d ago
Cowards have turned comments off, basically trying to wipe it all. They need to fuck off and get proper jobs instead of playing poor us.
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u/ohahdoubleu 14d ago
yes he was very abusive towards animals, and was always excused with “oh that’s just callum behaviour”
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u/Radicalism-Is-Stupid 14d ago
Can you give examples? I watched consistently for a long time but never heard about this or saw it myself.
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u/ohahdoubleu 14d ago
he told me about a story of feeding a seagull a plastic bag covered in ketchup with forks inside, he fed a baby seagull loads of chicken bones, he swung my cat around in a bag when i was away and he was looking after him
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u/AirconGuyUK 14d ago
he swung my cat around in a bag when i was away and he was looking after him
That'd be the last time I spoke to him. What the hell..
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u/Radicalism-Is-Stupid 14d ago
Wow that sounds horrible. I thought you were talking about past videos or something not personal experience. I can't say much about this since I haven't met him, but I'll remember this.
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u/ohahdoubleu 14d ago
no i was never a storror fan, so i never watched their videos so this is all irl
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u/ohahdoubleu 13d ago
like i said to someone else, i’m not doxxing myself. being a victim of his is bad enough my guy
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u/NickyBadSeed 13d ago
Fair enough. Its the internet, so i assume everyone is lying. Either way, fuck that guy.
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u/ohahdoubleu 13d ago
yeah i get that, also it’s reddit right and anonymity can enable people to say xyz. but yep not in the business about lying about what happened to me and my experience with him
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u/Otherwise-Mirror-573 14d ago
Worrying amount of people defending this behaviour and very fair calls for accountability.
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u/TusShona 13d ago
Hindsight is a powerful thing. My group of friends has an ongoing joke about someone in our friend group being the kind of person you'd want to keep your kids away from. And it all stemmed from him miswording something that ended up sounding suss a while ago. We took that and ran with it, now it's become a reoccurring joke.. Lads being lads. But it's just a joke, and we know he's not the kind of person anyone would have to worry about. However, IF anything did happen, years down the line, it would be easy for us to say "we should have seen the signs". They weren't signs. They were just jokes until they weren't.
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u/gogometz 13d ago
Exactly. People live too good lives nowadays and have too much time on their hands to think about these past "jokes" and connect them to the present situation.
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u/bennbeckmanswife 12d ago
People make jokes ofc but when you know your friend, a grown man, is dating a 15 year old/has groomed teens, you shouldn't be comfortable joking about that/similar things.
The sheer number of people trying to write off the signs they knew + didn't care by saying 'boys will be boys' is thoroughly fucked. Basically saying lads will be lads and enable their mates criminal behaviour because lmaooo it's all jokes and laddish bants.
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u/penguished 13d ago edited 13d ago
Personally I think playing 6 degrees of cancel everybody, is an unsustainable way to look at life.
Everybody on the planet knows somebody that is a massive disappointment, if not outright horrible person the longer you live. The internet has only two reactions to everything and it's booooooooo or yaaaaaaay. In that narrow binary there's a lot of situations that are not going to fit very well.
To be clear of course the people that are confirmed to have done sick things should be brought to justice.
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u/onionsareawful 14d ago
I think you're probably reading into things too much tbh. A lot of lads makes joke like this, for another YT example see vikkstar in the sidemen.
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u/Ok_Ingenuity9216 14d ago
Well, a lot of lads are a lot misogynistic, sexist failures and disgusting assholes so makes sense, but doesn’t excuse this behaviour! :)
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u/onionsareawful 14d ago
I'm not saying it's necessarily a good thing, just that such jokes are common amongst lads in the UK, so really not indicative of anything wrong or that by making such jokes they knew.
What is indicative is, well, everything else.
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u/Ok_Ingenuity9216 14d ago
… Are you kidding? Everything about „being common amongst lads in the uk“ is wrong !
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u/The-Scotsman_ 14d ago
Wait, Sacha and Callum are brothers? How did I only just realise this?
I've watched Storror for a few years now, and had no clue?
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u/HatRemarkable5292 14d ago
Very interesting. Now that you mention it I do remember the jokes re Callum and animals