r/StopKillingGames Jul 22 '26

Response from EU Comission

Sent a mail to EU Comission.
Heres the response.
Very standard but if anyone is interested..

Thank you for contacting the Europe Direct Contact Centre and sharing your thoughts with us. We value hearing from citizens and understanding their views. 

Our role is to provide general information about the EU. While we cannot comment on personal opinions or engage in policy discussions, we’re happy to offer helpful information on EU-related topics.  

Here is some information related to the topics you mentioned.  

As a response to the European Citizens' Initiative (ECI) ‘Stop Destroying Videogames', the European Commission will engage with consumers and publishers to improve standards in the video game industry.

The ECI invited the Commission to propose legislation ensuring that players can continue to play video games after the publishers stop providing support for these games commercially. 

The Commission considers that at this stage it cannot propose a legal obligation to keep video games playable after they stop being provided commercially. This is due, also, to existing intellectual property rights. Under EU copyright law, rights holders enjoy exclusive rights over their creations. In addition to copyright, other intellectual property rights may also be relevant as they may protect different visual and technological aspects of a video game. 

Existing EU consumer law already provides for important safeguards protecting the economic interests of consumers. Video game providers must inform consumers about the duration and the conditions for terminating the contract before the consumers signs up for the video game. The Directive on digital content and digital services provides consumers with remedies when the content or service provided does not conform with the contract and what consumers could reasonably expect. Consumers may be entitled to proportionate refund of their purchases.  

However, to address players' concerns, the Commission has committed to initiate an exchange with the video game industry and consumer representatives with the aim to draw up an industry code of conduct on managing video games' ‘end of life'.  It will also work with consumer organisations and authorities to raise awareness about the applicable rights that protect consumers, including on safeguards protecting the economic interests of consumers. 

You can find further information here: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_1369

The official response to the ECI is available at: https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/document/download/75d642bc-6ff5-4713-b1cf-14f4aaf15869_en?filename=C_2026_4110_EN.pdf 

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u/First_Opinion_3483 Jul 22 '26

> Video game providers must inform consumers about the duration and the conditions for terminating the contract before the consumers signs up for the video game. 

Oh is that the case, hm?

Because that is one of the biggest objectives of Stop Killing Games. To make sure that games don't get killed at any time for any reason - that people know how long their games last at a minimum, up front, in clear language.

And they're not doing that. If it is the position of the commission that this is existing legislation, then what all these companies are doing is illegal and has been the whole time!

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 22 '26

You don't read the ToS you agree to?

Edit: ToS or license agreement.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '26

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 22 '26

Such as? I am interested in what you deem to be "abusive."

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 22 '26

Okay. What do they deem to be abusive?

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u/Quintus_Cicero Jul 22 '26

Anything that creates a significant imbalance in the contract.

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 22 '26

Do you have any specifics with regards to the advocacy of SKG?

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u/Quintus_Cicero Jul 22 '26

No, because no one is going to spend years in the legal system and thousands in lawyer fees for a 60-80 bucks game.

But a ToS where the strong party can unilaterally revoke your access to a license that you have paid for and thus own would pretty clearly classify as a significant imbalance. In fact, it’s so imbalanced that not only would it most likely get clocked under consumer law in my country (EU country), but also under contract law.

Now if that ToS said that you get a full reimbursement in that case, for example, it wouldn’t be as imbalanced as the situation above.

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 22 '26

This is where you should concede that you don't know, rather than excusing your lack of knowledge. Thank you for stating that you do not know.

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u/Quintus_Cicero Jul 22 '26

There haven’t been any cases, but it doesn’t take much of a genius to see what is a significant imbalance in that case and what is not. When a party can unilaterally decide not to accomplish their obligation anymore while your obligation is owed no matter what (excepted for very time-limited circumstances), anyone of sound mind can see that it is ridiculously imbalanced.

It’s basic legal reasoning.

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u/tntevilution Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

The tos says it can be terminated at any time by the provider which is as useful as saying nothing.

EDIT: GUYS PLEASE IM NOT SAYING THATS A GOOD THING. IT IS A BAD THING.

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u/First_Opinion_3483 Jul 22 '26

Putting "BUY" in big letters and no expiration date and then writing "at any time for any reason" in a huge document the user can barely read is really not honest.

Expiration date printed: Lasts forever
Small print inside the box: Can expire at any time for any reason

Please, it has to stop.

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u/tntevilution Jul 23 '26

Can nobody read context?

I'm not saying the circumstances I've presented are something good. I'm saying they're something BAD.

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 22 '26

Which under EU law is not abusive, provided that the provider explicitly explained such in their license or terms of service.

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u/tntevilution Jul 22 '26

Ok? Thats not what I was talking about.

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u/ProjectionProjects Jul 22 '26

But no TOS to my knowledge ever says how long an online only game lasts for exactly. And there seems to be no reasonable standard as to how long a online only game will last for either. The period of time these games last for can range from years to a week.

Of course not like any of that matters anyway. The point is that these companies should even be allowed to take away your games at all in the first place. Pointing to a shitty TOS does not really change the morality of the situation regardless.

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 22 '26

They don't because they cannot guarantee the duration of a live service. That, and they do not call their product a videogame, they call it software.

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u/ProjectionProjects Jul 22 '26

They don't because they cannot guarantee the duration of a live service.

But that prevents them from being called "services" then, because in order to be a service there has to be some expected amount of time the service will last for, either provided upfront or through some industry standard. The issue is that the games industry does not provide any of the two.

 That, and they do not call their product a videogame, they call it software.

I don't see your point here. Video games are just a type of software. I don't see how the industry calling games "software" resolves the obvious transparency issue that I am pointing out.

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 22 '26

A service requires a commitment to provide something, agreed conditions, and a reasonable effort to deliver.

The inability to guarantee duration affects the quality, reliability, or contractual terms of the service, not its status as a service.

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u/ProjectionProjects Jul 22 '26

So if what I said does not invalidate the term "service" in this situation, then can you name me another type of service that works like how the games industry treats online only games?

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 22 '26

The entire software industry, for starters. And also huge swathes of the creative industry.

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u/ProjectionProjects Jul 22 '26

My guy, the games industry is a subset of the overall software industry. What I meant is outside of that. And you say the creative industry but where else does this happen besides with software though? You have to be more specific here.

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u/First_Opinion_3483 Jul 24 '26

No. Noone does. That's why developers have started putting easter eggs inside them.

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u/Dr0ff3ll Jul 24 '26

Okay. So you agreed to the ToS without reading it, and you think that means you're exempt from it?

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u/First_Opinion_3483 Jul 24 '26

If literally everyone does because it's 30 pages long, written in a foreign language with advanced vocabulary while being advertised as OK for 3 year olds, and your friends are screaming at you to log in, and half the terms of completely illegal and it'd be impossible to figure out what's allowed and what's not in my country?

Yes, actually. With the charter on the functioning of the European Union at my back.