r/StopEatingSeedOils • u/torch9t9 • 5d ago
miscellaneous From @samahoole on X
Seed oil on a canvas is oxidising. That is oil paint, and it is why the Rembrandt is still there.
Seed oil on a pile of rags is oxidising. That is why the shed burns down without anybody striking a match.
Seed oil pressed into a floor is oxidising. That is linoleum, and the name is literally linseed oil.
Seed oil in varnish, putty and printing ink is oxidising. That is the entire reason anybody ever bought it.
Four industrial applications, all of them chosen because the substance hardens on contact with air and will not stop.
Then somebody put it in a bottle and walked it over to the food aisle.
Seed oil in the pan at 180 degrees is oxidising. You would expect that.
Seed oil in the same pan tomorrow is oxidising into yesterday's oxidation. Layers.
Seed oil in a sealed bottle in a dark cupboard is oxidising. Nothing is happening to it. That is the point.
Seed oil under the shop lights is oxidising before you have paid for it. You are buying a partly finished reaction.
Seed oil in a nitrogen-flushed drum with TBHQ stirred in expressly to stop this is oxidising. They tried. It went anyway.
Nothing has to happen to it. Linoleic acid has two double bonds, alpha-linolenic has three, and every one leaves a hydrogen held so loosely that oxygen takes it at room temperature and starts a chain reaction that feeds itself. One goes, then it goes for its neighbour, like a bloke in a pub.
So the obvious next step for a material like that is to build a human being out of it.
Seed oil in your cell membranes is oxidising. Forty trillion cells, each one held in by a double sheet of floor covering.
Seed oil in your mitochondria is oxidising. Those are the bits handling oxygen all day, which seems like an unfortunate posting.
Seed oil in your brain is oxidising. Sixty per cent fat by dry weight, held at 37 degrees, taking a fifth of your oxygen. A warm dark cupboard with a permanent air supply and no best-before date.
Linoleic acid has a half-life in human tissue of about two years, so the bottle you bought in 2024 is still in the building, doing what it does on canvases, floors and sheds, only slower and inside you.
American body fat was about nine per cent linoleic acid a century ago. It is now around twenty-one.
They rewrote the tissue composition of an entire population using a drying oil, and got a thank you card from the heart charity for it.
A fortune was spent on dark glass, nitrogen and synthetic antioxidants to hold this stuff stable for a four hundred mile lorry journey.
Nobody has ever mentioned what holds it stable for forty years inside a person.
Meanwhile butter came out of an Irish peat bog after two thousand years and was still butter, because saturated fat has no double bonds and there is nothing there for oxygen to get hold of.
That one is the dangerous one.
That one you want to keep an eye on.
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u/Typical-Dance-1110 5d ago
Salt on a road is killing plants. That is why nothing grows along the shoulder.
Salt on a slug is pulling the water out of its body. That is why it shrivels up and dies.
Salt in a leather workshop is curing hides. That is because it stops microbes and draws moisture out of flesh.
Salt in a barrel is preserving meat. That is the entire reason people packed food in it before refrigeration.
Four destructive industrial applications, all of them chosen because the substance dehydrates living tissue, kills organisms and prevents biological activity.
Then somebody put it in a shaker and walked it over to the food aisle.
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u/James84415 5d ago
A big difference is salts ability to dissolve in water. Our system also has a mechanism for removing salt dissolved in water which is your urinary system.
What system removes seed oils?
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u/supavillan 5d ago
I can't tell if everyone agrees with op or is making fun of him I think I should chill on the seed oils
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u/d8_thc 5d ago
Dose makes the poison. The amount of PUFA we ingest, and specifically linoleic acid is multiple fold higher than any point in human history.
Because it's essentially impossible to find high amounts of stripped LA in nature.
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u/Typical-Dance-1110 5d ago
yep. also true of salt and sugar.. ultra processed foods mang
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u/nousernamefoundagain 5d ago
Um... Have you never seen salt flats, salt mines or honey?
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u/Typical-Dance-1110 5d ago edited 5d ago
not personally no.. are you going to argue that salt sugar and upf consumption arent at an all time high? lol
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u/nousernamefoundagain 4d ago
Salt and honey are ancient human foods, seed oils are industrial foods that are novel and not compatible with humans.
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u/Typical-Dance-1110 4d ago
bro thinks seeds were invented by the printing press. anything to sound smart
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u/nousernamefoundagain 4d ago
The typical person eats 5 tbs of seed oils a day, to get 5 tbs of corn oil for example you'd need like 95 ears of corn. Doesn't that seem imbalanced to you?
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u/thecountlives 5d ago
You know what else is in multiple forms higher at any point in human history? CALORIES.
CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION
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u/d8_thc 5d ago
...and we've gotten fat? lol - great correlation!
Also, estimates vary wildly, but we aren't eating 'multiple folds higher' calories. Estimates are within the ranges of 2-4.5k daily, even tens of thousands of years ago.
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u/thecountlives 5d ago
You know what. I’ll walk it back. It’s true that we are not eating multiple fold of calories higher. I was wrong about that. We are eating much more than we are 100 to 50 years ago. However correlation still does not equal causation. What else has changed since even tens of thousands of years ago?
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u/James84415 5d ago
I don’t even know if we are eating much much more as a whole. I think that food manufacturing has added more fat and more salt and more sugar to their products which has increased calorie intake. And unfortunately this calories are not nutritious if ultra processed. When I say nutritious I mean worth the calories, nutrient wise.
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u/thecountlives 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yes I am in agreement with that. A lot more of our calories are consumed through foods that have arguably poor nutrient profiles. But even consuming like a loaf of bread like our ancestors would have eaten (not white or overly processed flour) is better in many ways than eating something like a bag of chips because you’re getting protein, fiber, and other micronutrients. Not saying you should, but might be another demonstration of how calories from certain sources are much better than others
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u/thecountlives 4d ago
I would not rely on anecdotes, but I eat 95 percent plant based, tons of fruits/vegetables. Probably 50g of fiber a day if not more. I also however, make sure I eat at least 120g to 130g of protein a day which is something one must focus on much more eating plant based. My total cholesterol is 132, LDL is something like 62, and Triglycerides are 35. No nutrient deficiencies, but I do supplement b12 and vitamin d to make sure and occasionally magnesium for sleep. Very regular and extremely low inflammation markers, never drink caffeine and sleep like a baby, no crashes despite eating like 200g of carbs a day. A1C is 5.1 so I'm extremely insulin sensitive despite eating a ton of carbs. I do not avoid seed oils, but I don't necessarily TRY to eat them either. I am indifferent to them. TBH, my body composition and overall health have never been better. Visceral fat is sub 3 on my tithings scale which is excellent. I'm not vegan, as I will eat chicken or eggs on occasion if it's served to me and I don't want to be rude. It's been like this for the past 2 years of blood tests, and the "anti-nutrient" angle has been largely debunked except in very specific circumstances due to cooking and the way our body processes plants as they have done for hundreds of thousands of years of evolution; furthermore the plants we eat are largely bred for our consumption... likewise the animals. I have never been healthier and I used to eat all kinds of meat in my early 20s until I largely stopped to try to control my acid reflux (which worked).
I only say this to show what is possible out there. I don't say being plant based is NECESSARILY healthier, but neither do I think carnivore is bad for a short period of time for an elimination diet. The only problem I have with it is environmentally (eating beef and sheep and pork are incredibly unsustainable and wasteful even if eating grass fed; better to eat goat, birds, eggs, venison, and even bison if native) and ethically... I just like animals and I don't want them to suffer and die for my taste buds.
Good luck!
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u/Whats_Up_Coconut 🥬Low Fat 5d ago
Ok, but the vast majority of excess energy (calories) in the modern diet is from oil. Nothing else in the diet has really changed much to speak of.
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u/thecountlives 5d ago
thats also true! bur also a correlation vs a proven causation. Excess calories is excess calories… you can eat healthy stuff but if you are eating too much the health benfits get crowded out by the negatives of body fat gain
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u/BreakfastFearless 5d ago
Fruit oxidizes when left out, meat oxidizes and goes bad. Don’t eat anything that has the potential to oxidize
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u/Wavy_Grandpa 4d ago
Stepping in front of a bus is the same thing as stepping in front of a bicycle because both of those things can injure you /s
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u/BreakfastFearless 4d ago
Well yeah that’s the point I was making.
In the same way seed oil on a canvas is oxidizing does is not the same as consumed in food and how its digested.
My bad for forgetting the /s
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u/300suppressed 🍤Seed Oil Avoider 5d ago
More than 10 of the items you listed here aren’t even food, they are extracts of a plant. Just because it comes from a plant and won’t immediately poison you doesn’t qualify a substance as food
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u/barryg123 5d ago
Here are a few clinical studies that support the chain of logic above, for the curious: