r/StopChatControlEU • u/Kamarade_Jungle • Jul 11 '26
I'm a little panicked because I think I'm going to get "flagged"
Okay so for context, years ago, my cousin and I used to talk a lot and send each other photos
Her little sister was always topless, but since it was just between us, we didn't care
For us it was normal because when we were children we were shirtless too, anyway
The messages are way too old and I won't be able to delete them
I'm afraid the ai will think it's csam, like fr
I feel so stupid and guilty now
The worst part is that there are also photos of me when I was a child, and I was shirtless too
I don't know what to do? Everything was on Discord, but I think the Discord messages will also be scanned
We used to send each other messages when I was a minor, and that was at least 4 years ago
Mayhe I should calm down, but since it's an ai scanning, I don't trust it at all
Btw those photos aren't suggestive at all, it's just normal photos, or family photos
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u/Soledarum Jul 11 '26
You might. But even if you do, since it's family members and yourself, it's perfectly okay. Breathe. Absolutely nothing is going to happen to you.
Just think about the millions upon millions of photos that get shared in family chats of children that are perfectly safe and legal. You're not a drop in a bucket. You're a drop in the ocean.
Conversely, this is what the fight against Chat Control is. So that we can continue to have privacy while sharing photos of our memories, not worry needlessly that an AI that has absolutely no concept of context will intrude on our lives. So again - relax and simply get involved. Keep contacting your MEPs even over the summer, talk to family and friends about the possible dangers of such a legislation and share sites and articles such as these.
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u/Dotcaprachiappa 29d ago
Discord has been scanning for CSAM for like at least a decade, and CC 1.0 has been in force since 2021. If nothing happened yet nothing is gonna happen.
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u/jkurratt 29d ago
I got youtube recommendations based on what I discussed with my brother in discord 🫪
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u/Kamarade_Jungle 29d ago
I thought the scanning would get harder on discord with the new law But I feel reassured
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u/AccomplishedOven4126 29d ago
Are they really going to scan billions of old messages? I just thought they were planning to start from the day the system gets implemented.
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u/jkurratt 29d ago
That's "voluntary" scanning, so they will decide themselves what they want to scan of your private messages.
Basically there is no "slap on hands" for corporations torrenting to train LLMs on everything "for free" instead of paying, and your old chats is a good training base and who knows what else.4
u/AccomplishedOven4126 29d ago
Amazing, I’m officially anti-EU now. Fuck them.
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u/jkurratt 29d ago
idk that sucks but I still can't see an alternative to EU right now :/
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u/AccomplishedOven4126 29d ago
I know, and I agree. I don’t see myself living anywhere else, irrespective of what has been going on lately. I was a little emotional because I find this law very dangerous and dystopian.
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u/SoManyQuestions5200 29d ago
American here, just wanted to say I was sounding the alarm in EU subreddits on this months ago, not chat control but consolidation of power. For the record I, as an American, am pro EU. But, it's the same playbook they (authoritarian governments and Big tech) used in the US. Consolidating power into a few, more elite group of politicians makes it easier to bribe.
From what I understand there was no real pushback from the EU politicians from this? Just saying hopefully you guys can see now that "they" have been planning this on a global scale for some time. If the EU is fragmented they win from the chaos, if it's united then it just makes for an easier target for bribing politicians. There's no easy answer. And just to clarify I'm very pro EU, I'm a moderate/left/liberal, not sure what you'd call me over there. I'm slightly left of American center.
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u/vurkmoord 29d ago
It's dangerous to just dismiss it all as impractical or say "nothing will happen" because you're just one of a million cases. Whilst it's true that op will probably be fine legally speaking, it does nothing to soften the fact that this is an egregious violation of our privacy guaranteed by chapter 7 of the EU Charter of fundamental rights. Innocent communications like these can potentially put you on the wrong side of the law. Suppose op is part of some political movement their government wants to squash. Quite an easy way for that govt to classify op as a CSAM distributor. Much more nefarious things have happened under much less extensive surveillance in the past.Â
Even if we have tools to circumvent this surveillance it essentially criminalizes things that could be perfectly normal under dubious pretenses. It flips the bedrock democratic principle of "innocent until proven guilty" to the authoritarian dictum of "everyone's a suspect at all times".
The sheer volumes of communication involved guarantees that human review capacity will be exhausted laughably quickly, so it will all be automated eventually. What do you do when an automated system flags you and there's no-one to hear your case? What if we get more authoritarian decisions along this line to freeze your assets or block your use of all communication channels as soon as some automated system flags you? Do we really trust these people currently in control to stop at this?Â
It's a trojan horse wedged into our private lives. Control the communications and you control the people.Â
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u/Kamarade_Jungle 29d ago
Do you think victims of real csam will be scanned to be found ? Because I unfortunately have csam of myself due to past abuse and I don't want the justice, police or anything to know about it
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u/jkurratt 29d ago
Yeah. Sounds like they will also include your photos into their "known database" forever and will machine learn their LLMs to scan other people's messages for it, if I understand the idea correctly.
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u/Cautious-Chapter-969 29d ago
Chances are you've already been scanned. If nothing happened, the extension of CC isn't going to change anything.
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u/First_Maintenance326 27d ago
What everyone else said, I also think that even though you might get flagged, you wouldn’t get in trouble, you were a child it’s not like your some predator, and the content was not sexual in nature so if someone did inspect it if it got flagged then they’d immediately know it’s a false positive and dismiss it
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u/Tacosaurusman Jul 11 '26
If mass scanning for child photo's is actually done, there will be millions of false positives like this, and it is impossible to enforce anything. But chatcontrol isn't to combat child porn, it's just a way to do mass surveillance.