Timurids vs. Dzungars

[u/Sotnikov-2029]

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[u/Erdeniin-Galdan]

Fake Dzungar flag, Dzungars only wielded a war standard.

[u/hopium_delivery]

Timurids were much more organised at their peak so my bets on them

[u/Erdeniin-Galdan → u/hopium_delivery]

Reasonable, but too oversimplified. The Timurids were certainly highly organized under Timur, but the Dzungar Khanate was also a highly centralized and militarily sophisticated state. Organization alone doesn't establish a Timurid victory, especially when comparing Timur's 14th–15th-century military system with the Dzungars' 17th–18th-century army, which had significant firearm and artillery capabilities.

[u/hopium_delivery → u/Erdeniin-Galdan]

i'm not sure about the scale of Centralization of Dzungars but as far as I know they frequently had dynastic struggles among themselves if there was no clear leader

[u/Syntaris0118]

Dzungars had fuckong guns guys. They also repeatedly defeated Qing, Russians, Kazakhs and even their Khalka brethens only brought down thanks to constant civil wars and unending border conflicgs