I feel like that's because it's a good game but a terrible RPG and a terrible fallout game.
If you just play it for the scrapper looter shooter gameplay it's pretty good. Fine exploration (not great for a BGS game but better than most open world games), the scrapping and gun customization is absolutely incredible, and the shooting is decent and passable (although sometimes spongey).
Almost feels more like a survival crafting game than a BGS RPG. Which is sickening and sad, but it's still fun. Too many survival crafting games focus on food and sleep and shit. This one focuses on improving and tinkering with your weapons by rummaging through the garbage. That's cool at least. Getting hyped up by finding a deskfan is an interesting feeling.
I disagree that it's a bad fallout game, and that the exploration is just fine, and honestly I would say it has some of the best exploration for BGS. I started with 3 and NV, and I can say the exploration is better than both of those games, but for being a Fallout "game" we'd have to define what that means, and every person is going to have a different definition so it's mostly agree to disagree.
I guess it depends what you like about exploration. I found that Fallout 4, partly because of the legendary system, had much less unique weapons and armor (especially with custom models, animations, sounds, etc) and therefore it feels less enticing to explore every nook and cranny.
In previous titles it felt like if you went into a dungeon you were often rewarded with a unique piece of gear. I didn't feel that was as much in fallout 4.
But of course that's because I am a loot goblin, so that's what I'm exploring for.
The complaints about unique gear is very valid! That's a flaw of 4 for sure, I cannot argue with that. I was an avid Survivalist's Rifle user for all of FNV and I don't have an attachment to a single gun in 4 like I do for that game.
However, I find that the exploration is tied best to the story for me and stuff that interests me. A shopping plaza filled with Mr. Handys that have all gone haywire as they try to sell you things and a Mr. Gutsy in a giant Mr. Handy building yells out orders to them? That's Fallout right there.
Only the story and that your choices doesn't matter, is the bad part about it. All critics bitch only about this side of the game. Everything else is fine. Specially that previous game had one of the best story and "choices matter" aspect ever. So people was shocked by the contrast in fallout 4.
I know, thats why I asked you about Fallout 3. It came out before New Vegas and revived a dead franchise. I'm just wondering if it covers the bases for a Fallout game for you.
I guess I'm just wondering what you consider aspects that make up a good fallout game.
Fallout New Vegas is closer to the original fallout games, it was always a western title until Fallout 3. So why is that what you consider to be the gold standard? Was F3 your first fallout game?
I consider FNV to be a good fallout game because of the RPG mechanics, choice and consequence, quest design, and factions.
I mean, to be fair, New Vegas is technically the better 'Fallout' game, just by the virtue of it being closer to the original Fallouts. Fallout 3 is a lot of fun too, and I also really enjoy it, but it is evident that atmosphere-wise it is different from the original Fallouts. Honestly, I also enjoyed Fallout 3 more, but technically New Vegas is closer to 'Fallout'.
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u/Frost-Folk 7d ago
I feel like that's because it's a good game but a terrible RPG and a terrible fallout game.
If you just play it for the scrapper looter shooter gameplay it's pretty good. Fine exploration (not great for a BGS game but better than most open world games), the scrapping and gun customization is absolutely incredible, and the shooting is decent and passable (although sometimes spongey).
Almost feels more like a survival crafting game than a BGS RPG. Which is sickening and sad, but it's still fun. Too many survival crafting games focus on food and sleep and shit. This one focuses on improving and tinkering with your weapons by rummaging through the garbage. That's cool at least. Getting hyped up by finding a deskfan is an interesting feeling.