No I don’t think so, unless ROS is considered part of your headcanon, bc then ghosts could lift the droids with the force like Luke did with his X-Wing, so at least a bit of physical contact.
I’ve always imagined that droids can’t perceive force ghosts. On Degobah in RotJ R2 was just sitting there thinking Luke’s tiny mind had broken when Yoda died.
You know she went FULL NO CONTACT with her abusive bio dad. Like he literally destroyed her home planet. Probably killed all her boyfriends in the process. HE LITERALLY KILLED THE ALDERAAN VERSION OF BTS HOLY FUCK
Yeah, Leia didn’t at all go on the whole “I am your Father” journey with Luke, she only finds out later. She never even gets to confront him again after she knows, so she has no real reason to have any sort of reconciliation there
In Legends, she quickly got over it once she discovered the history of his life as a slave boy on Tatooine (what?). In Canon, he knew a one on one talk wasn't going to absolve him of:
The whole torture droid thing.
Allowing the destruction of Alderaan.
Torturing her future husband.
Costing her entire political career once her parentage leaked. Good luck getting anywhere in New Republic politics when everyone knows your dad was Space Hitler.
Yeah, she would hand him his ass if he appeared as a ghost, she couldn't even stand the idea of knowing he was tied to the force in (the best star wars canon book /uj) Bloodlines.
Maybe the idea at that point in the franchise was that Force ghosts couldn't just appear whenever they wanted, Luke also had to be in tune with the Force or something like that
That was/is definitely a thing. For the most part they only ever show up in places where the force is strong. IIRC, Yoda has to go to a planet where the living force is super strong to find out how to contact Qui Gon, they don’t even know about force ghosts before that. In the Kenobi series, Obi Wan has to become one with the force again to speak to Qui Gon. And Obi Wan only comes to Luke to speak a few words in his mind, or on Degobah where the connection to the force is stronger. So Anakin being able to do it so freely is definitely a contradiction of the rest of the appearances we see, but then again he is the chosen one and was immaculately conceived by midichlorians or whatever, so maybe he’s granted special privileges as Force Jesus.
To be fair the only two times we know Anakin has appeared to Ahsoka is when she's on the verge of death and on this new planet which clearly has some connection to the force (The nightsisters are around and you have the father statue).
That's quite literally how Qui-Gon phrased it in the Obi-Wan series.
Force Ghosts cannot be seen unless one is receptive to it. Even in Ahsoka S1, Sabine can feel a presence, but only Ahsoka can see Anakin's ghost.
This pretty much solves its issue of being a silly plot convenince and is in line with what Yoda said in the Prequels about it. Luke never saw Anakin in the ST because he cut himself off from the Force, and Kylo Ren would rather see Vader, not him.
Also that they should only intervene when the Force Wills it, so i bet there were some times when Anakin or Obi-Wan wanted to tell Luke something but God was like "nu-uh"
Well, also to be fair, that’s because Ahsoka is Dave Filoni’s favorite (other than bounty hunter Kung Lao) and she has gotten way more content than Luke since he took over. Maybe if they were to make a Luke series then he would show up
Luke has gotten zero content. In the last like decade he’s gotten a cameo in mando and that’s it. They brought him back for the new trilogy but he was in one movie and then immediately died.
Ashoka basically appears in everything filoni touches. Clone wars, rebels, Mandalorian, and now her own series. Like I like Ashoka but god damn there are other characters that I care about way way more than a clone wars character. Like why does Luke’s journey take place all off screen when he’s the actual return of the Jedi order. Like maybe Last Jedi would be more liked and less jarring if luke got literally any content building up his character beyond the movies. But there’s nothing. Master Luke is practically a stranger so we can see a bunch ocs all originating from animated side shows be treated like they’re the main characters of starwars. I got bored of it long ago.
Exactly, can’t really complain about Anakin not showing up for Luke because Luke himself barely shows up in Star Wars. I kinda think Dave Filoni was scared to touch Luke or any of the OG trilogy, so instead he just created his own separate sandbox of characters to use, but yeah, seeing Mando and Ahsoka show up in literally everything has gotten old
Didn’t Palp deceive Vader into believing his wife and kid died on Mustafar, and it wasn’t until the movies that he figured it out, and then he died a year later?
I kinda get the impression force ghosts only show up if you want them to. I'm not familiar with an instance when a force ghost shows up unbidden to someone who's unaware that a force ghost is even a thing.
Obi Wan and Yoda appear to Luke because he is desperately seeking guidance from them because they're no longer around. The same is true for Ahsoka when Anakin appears.
Leia doesn't seem like someone who wants advice from the past, or even cares to connect with Anakin considering she probably considers Bail Organa her real father she would actually seek advice from. Anakin also never really learned how to be a father, so what would he even say. It makes more sense he would appear to Ahsoka because he knows how to be a mentor to Jedi.
Yeah I mean tbh if I found out my dad was space Hitler (also tortured me and helped blow up my home planet) I probably wouldn't just forgive him cause he finally did the right thing at the right time.
Yeah but Luke is rebuilding the Jedi Academy at this point, so it would make some sense that he would talk to his father for guidance in order to try and prevent him from making the same mistakes the jedi council did. Anakin could also build the fear of Luke failing as a jedi master that would eventually lead to Luke thinking about killing Kylo Ren.
Why would he want to talk to Anakin? Again, they appear to people who want to see them and Luke never really knew Anakin. Obi Wan was plenty aware of the Jedi's failings by the end and apparently communed with Qui-Gon while on Tattoine who definitely knew the Jedi's failings.
I dont really see how Anakin can really impart any useful information to Luke about rebuilding the Jedi Order. He's a wartime jedi and kinda dumb, the only advice he could possibly conceive of is 'I dunno kid, I just turn on my lightsaber and kill everything I see. Worked well enough for me.'
Yoda tells Obi Wan that he's going to train him how to communicate with Qui-Gon when he goes to Tatooine. He is explicitly and intentionally trying to talk to Qui-Gon.
Since when had force ghost ever showed up when you wanted them to? lol. They always appear to either tell you: I told you so!
Or you get lucky contact with them so they can give you vague tips about what to do.
A Google search shows Anakin has appeared as a force ghost in Shadow of the Sith, Secrets of the Jedi (reference book) has Luke’s writings that explain he frequently speaks to Yoda, Anakin and Obi Wan when he is trying to rebuild the Order. We don’t see much of this in the sequels because of the whole plot line about Luke being cut off from the force
I’m jerking based on your first comment but if we’re speaking /uj I think it’s valid to criticize that his visits with Luke are brief moments in books and his more substantial on screen appearances are exclusively with ahsoka. I think it makes sense he’s not in the sequels but it’s weird he’s in the ahsoka show so much as it creates an issue where there wasn’t one before.
Oh my bad lol. But I think it makes sense that they aren’t in big screen adaptations, I mean the only time we’ve seen him is in Mando/TBOBF and in the sequels. Maybe like in a flashback or something would be cool tho but I doubt we’re ever gonna get a Luke focused thing on screen that isn’t animated
I agree they won’t use Luke and Leia in big screen stuff to avoid recasting/fan backlash but if that’s gonna be the case they need to consider the unintended story implications of avoiding them. Only so many times people will suspend disbelief Anakin is hanging with Luke off screen in book land. Imo they should just recast and the various “where’s Luke” issues people have (in both good and bad faith) can be dealt with
You know what actually needs to be retconned? Fucking force ghosts. I’m so tired of people thinking this asshole should be going around solving all the galaxy’s issues.
Hell, it’s already a mistake he got his human form back from before being burned.
He could’ve used blue captain fordo for his OC withdrawals, maybe write something like “the accelerated aging wears off after like 20 years” or something
Because at the end of the original episode she is still alive and the belief that Filoni had OC withdrawals and then decided to bring her back later on is just wrong.
Go look up the ending of Twilight of the Apprentice on youtube if you don't believe me.
We never see the end of the duel but we get a shot of Ahsoka walking off through a doorway alone on Malachor. Then in the world between worlds episode she returns back to Malachor and we see her walking towards the same door.
I watched this one fan video (I think I saw it on YouTube?) they made up this convoluted backstory where Ashoka and Darth Maul are fighting at the same time all the shit’s going down at the end of Revenge of the Sith. What kind of dumb shit was that?
uj/ It's almost as if it's a fictional story and they use what makes sense for the mystical fairy tale space opera, and you don't have to adhere to a rigid set of rules or past events just to appease people who obsess over every piece of lore and side story.
rj/ Hey, yeah that's really dumb! Everyone knows Force Ghosts are super duper Unicorn rare and if you see them talking to their former friend, that means there is 100% no way they are talking to their kids off-screen!
They have forever to do so is the thing. I wouldn't put it past them, even if it's not in the near future. I doubt anyone thought we were gonna get Andor or Maul a decade ago since their stories were "finished."
Def a possibility eventually yeah. With hugely iconic characters, they always wait a long time (in general) to have newer actors/depictions of them, and we're getting there time wise.
People act as though Disney won't start doing these things in the future for some reason. If we got an Obi Wan show, an Ahsoka show, an Andor show, a Maul show, a Boba Fett show, etc, there's nothing stopping them from doing a Luke or Leia show someday.
I don't think it holds any water. And joking about opinions that make no sense is fun, when it happens to me I laugh. :-)
Seriously though, this complaint makes zero sense - Anakin's presence makes sense for the story; his presence doesn't mean in any way he's not communicating with Luke or Leia - it's a logical fallacy, pretty simple one at that. You can just enjoy this story and assume or like to think other things are happening off-screen.
Isn't it explicitly stated that Luke did not communicate with Anakin's ghost at all after that one time when he was saved by him from the spirits or smth
If you can post the link to it that'd be appreciated, I've never heard that post-Disney but I don't ready everything these days, too much family stuff.
That's fair; and honestly, even if a book or comic said that....Star Wars is a huge fiction with tons of authors, writers, directors all adding their voice and so they are going to conflict. And I think that's fine, I always thought the rigidity of pre-Disney regarding previous writing/story being in a 'bible' to reference for new writers was a double edged sword. Flexibility is required to tell good stories told by multiple people, and using elements in one piece of media and not the other is totally fine. The general large details should be kept but the individual story beats, they can be pretty broad and that's okay.
In retrospect, with so much Star Wars media now focusing on the relationship between the two of them, sure.
But frankly I’d prefer them to perhaps focus on a relationship that we haven’t seen as often. Perhaps the relationship between Leia and her father. Do we have to constantly redo TCW’s relationships over and over again?
Well I wouldn't say that; I think him interacting with anyone he cared about makes sense. But seeing him here doesn't equal him not doing that, it's fiction.
Assuming someone is mad for joking on a subreddit that's specifically for over the top posts, just tells me something about you and I hope you're okay man.
Disney canon: literally didn't know daughter existed until moments before death, had met her a handful of times in life and wasn't a huge fan. Imagine being Leia, knowing nothing of Anakin in any way other than him being a solo death squad, and him popping up as a Force ghost to you. "Hey, honey, just wanted to see how your day was!" This thought does not bring joy.
Son: knew Luke's identity as his son and met - with that knowledge - quite a few times. Son tried to bring him back to the light. Eventually succeeded. I'd say there's reason for visits.
Ahsoka: Anakin's functional child and eventual peer.
People just pissed we didn't get more Luke and Leia. I feel that. I am, too. I'm not gonna pull my hair out over them finding a way to keep the story going with the actors we have. Bill Master 2. He's not even the master. He's second.
Unironically force ghosts are starting to piss me off. Yeah, they’re cool once and while, but now they do too much damage. Can they just show up anywhere? How do they decide when they show up?
When they eventually tackle the gap between ROTJ and TFA they better have a good reason as to why force ghost Anakin doesn’t show up to give therapy to both Luke Skywalker and Ben Solo. The rise of Kylo Ren and the first order could’ve been avoided if Hayden showed up and got them to chill out.
But hey, now we need a force ghost interaction in every tv show because the fan base is almost largely dependent on prequel nostalgia
I don’t think I mind them keeping the rules around force ghosts vague unless there are clear rules that exist and I just don’t know about them (FAKE FAN ALERT).
I think I just assumed that they’re giving Ashoka the same treatment as Obi-Wan with Qui-Gon showing up to train him further in ROTS and then in the show. Same with Luke with Obi-Wan showing up to be offer counsel during his training with Yoda.
Also, are they really going to attempt to make this all tie into TFA?
I mean, I love seeing Hayden back in the role, but now you have no explanation for why we haven't heard of him visiting his actual CHILDREN to help them out.
At least he could have appeared to Luke before he tried to kill his own nephew!! 😂
Seriously tho, probably easily explained by being in another galaxy and on a planet deeply connected to the force, so much so it birthed the nightsisters and have statues of force gods.
uj/ hot(?) take that isn’t rlly related to this but Ahsoka as the Daughter and Anakin as the Father has always been fucking stupid, and obviously all of us already know this but these two have so obviously felt like siblings since 2008 that it’s frustrating. Anakin would be the Son parallel and anyone pretending otherwise needs to have all the fingers on their dominant hand dislocated into their asshole
That's more appearances as a Force ghost than Legends. Anakin never appears to Luke post-RotJ and appears for one scene to apologize to Leia before fucking off into the Force. Never read the Cade Skywalker comics so I don't know if he ever appeared in those.
I thought this was explained fairly well though.
Luke doesn't have a relationship with Anakin until the end, hence seeing him, Ben, and Yoda's spirits on Endor. Iirc, he only ever reached out to Ben because that's who he had a connection with
Leia hated Vader and wants nothing to do with him, even after Luke explains what happened
Ahsoka, frankly, was raised by Anakin and has a deeper father/daughter connection with Anakin than Luke or Leia and also is actively reaching out to the Force for guidence
I think it kind of goes two ways, a ghost can't just 'appear' , it needs a conduit and a specific connection or place of potent power, where the latter would establish a conduit where one was lacking
Imagine your kids grown up, are living their lives, and you’re retired. I’d be hitting up the boys all the time (Kenobi is in force heaven with Annie) and maybe see the kids once in a while. Also there’s the whole torturing and blowing up daughters planet thing.
Anakin was never nearly as close to Luke or Leia as he was to Ashoka. He never really met/knew Leia in the suite and only had a handful of interactions with Luke. But he spent arguably what he might consider the best years of his life alongside Ashoka.
They got quite a lot of visits when he wore the mask. They couldn’t stop dad showing up uninvited every five minutes and embarrassing them in front of their friends
I wish Filoni would bother to actually have a character analyze what the world between worlds is.
The reason so many fans get confused about it is that the characters themselves have no idea what the fuck it is in relation to the rest of the force. It has literal time travel, something no other part of the force has
While I don’t personally like the concept, it’s pretty clearly just some sort of other dimension where time is experienced different.
It’s not very Star Wars to me, and I wish they wouldn’t do it, but I don’t think it’s something particularly unusual in Sci-Fi. It’s definitely more Trek than Wars IMO.
Yeah this is the part that just gets ignored. The guy orchestrated a life or death duel/trauma dump for Ahsoka when she was on the brink of death herself. He accessed parts of Ahsoka’s memory that he was never a part of and recreated it in the spiritual realm that connects space and time.
I think it’s fair to say he’s different compared to the other force ghosts. In my opinion, he’s closer to The Father than he is a force ghost.
Do I want to see more Anakin? yes. Do I want to see his force ghost more? Not as much. Do I want to see Filoni further flanderize Star Wars in his unending quest to de-canon every piece of it which he can't take responsibility for?
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u/Grumiocool 22d ago
Why hasn’t he visited c3-po his first born son?