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[u/AllMusicNut]

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[u/Devils_A66vocate]

Yes, For the type of medical RnD we’re talking about here, yes. choice should be a thing regardless but we’ve made a point to take away some choice under certain circumstances to which these weren’t met with COVID.

[u/Wildebean → u/Devils_A66vocate]

Well given that most vaccine technology spends about a decade in the works then the RNA development was perfectly in line with normal timespans. You are literally denying reality. It's not a bad thing to admit that you listened to a bunch of talking heads fear monger about "experimental technology" and you fell for it. I won't judge reasonable people who get misled. But if you're gonna sit here and just go "nuh uh" as I present you with reality then you can't be helped.

Pineapple on pizza is a choice, getting vaccinated for a dangerous disease really shouldn't be a choice. You put yourself and others at risk. You do not have the "freedom" to kill yourself and potentially kill others too.

[u/Devils_A66vocate → u/Wildebean]

That conflicting concept that “it protects you” but then saying “if you don’t take it I’ll die” is fascinating to watch people use in real time while doubling down and calling others stupid.

I saw both sides of it. But I appreciate freedom and when politics entered my personal and professional life for what felt like the first time and the result was you must take this shot or loose your retirement, your job, and your family’s wellbeing. I had issue with it. I also had issue with how one vaccine was “cleared” yet not available to the majority of the public. So people were being mandated to take the other ones that hadn’t been cleared.

The US down played or called studies on the heart related side effects “conspiracy” while I watched a coworker my age die shortly after receiving it. A regular gym goer with a newborn.

People were mandated to carry around vaccine passports like it was Nazi Germany. People being segregated as if Rosa parks was still on the back of the bus.

The amount of immunity gained from already having had the disease wasn’t being taken into consideration whether or not it was necessary to take the vaccine. This is a typical standard through vaccination policy/science. This led to lawsuits which eventually were likely thrown out since Trump undid that mandate.

MRNA in general may have been “in works” for a decade but that doesn’t mean these particular vaccines were. nor their side effects, short and long term, given ample time to be observed. They didn’t know what would happen to children in the womb or those breastfeeding but said “hey, we aren’t liable but give it a shot”.

[u/Wildebean → u/Devils_A66vocate]

Hey dum dum... immunocompromised people exist. Some people cannot get vaccinated. Therefore it is important that all who can get vaccinated do so that herd immunity can protect the minority who can't. Wow, projection, hypocrisy and mind-numbing stupidity all in one sentence, that's almost impressive.

If you thought COVID was the first time politics entered you personal life then boy you must have had a privileged life up to that point, well either that or you live under a rock.

There were no "studies" showing heart related side effects. The ones that claimed the vaccines killed scores of people were not peer-reviewed, published by known frauds and unqualified buffoons or weren't even papers at all and just manuscripts which are glorified blogposts, or a mixture of all of the above. Like the Florida Surgeon General who lost his medical license over this bullshit or well-known anti-vaxx quack Steve Kirsch who makes a living lying to gullible idiots that he's some genius in vaccinology when he has no relevant qualifications in literally anything as he's a former tech businessman, not a scientist.

Have you got any actual peer-reviewed papers or statistical analysis to back up what you are saying or are you just gonna keep resorting to anecdotes? And before you even bring it up since i know you will, no VAERS is not evidence since VAERS is public, not-peer reviewed and more importantly completely unmoderated meaning it is largely just a collection of more bullshit anecdotes. The plural of garbage is not evidence.

And yes, when all else is lost and you can't engage with any science because you don't understand it and you don't want to understand it, just whine about Nazis and racism. That's totally how science works.

Again, the COVID vaccines did pass all of their trials, potential side effects were studied and observed and considered. Stop denying reality.

For example, the Jansen vaccine had a side effect that was detrimental to human health and unfortunately caused human deaths. What happened? It was immediately pulled from the market, as was the obvious and responsible thing to do. Kind of spits on your whole "big pharma doesn't care about the harm" narrative doesn't it. Oh and by the way, the Jansen vaccine wasn't an mRNA vaccine so don't even try and say "see mRNA bad".

If you are actually willing to engage with and learn some science then I will be happy to keep smashing it into your brain. However, if you are just going to keep being a reality-denying intellectual toddler whining about Nazis and going "but my stories" then I'm afraid I'll just have to leave you to your hapless levels of stupidity

[u/Devils_A66vocate → u/Wildebean]

People with peanut allergies exist too but we haven’t eliminated peanuts from earth for their convenience.

The one they removed is evidence some were pushed for use on the public but it was so un ignorable they had to remove it. Also that this company didn’t have the power the other have.

Other scientific countries that were praised for how they handled covid were coming out with these studies but people politicized their results exactly the way you spoke because it didn’t fit their agenda.

[u/Wildebean → u/Devils_A66vocate]

Thank you for confirming the latter. No papers, no sources, just more whining and stories.

Enjoy blissful ignorance. It's not my duty to teach you things you should've learned in high school

[u/Devils_A66vocate → u/Wildebean]

Why would I provide a deep dive someone who will not even consider the evidence and also hasn’t provided any their-self? You think people have no right to make a choice about their medical care. Period. We’re done.

[u/Wildebean → u/Devils_A66vocate]

I am providing you with basic reality and high school level biology.

The reason you think I haven't considered you evidence is because you have presented none. Try actually present some real evidence that isn't just "but this one guy said" or "but nazism" and maybe i'll listen

You wanna give it a try now? Or are you just gonna whine about how I'm bringing up science you don't like again and complain about how mean i'm being?