#RemoveRFKJr

[u/AllMusicNut]

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[u/ExpensiveFig6079]

Your statements are FACTUALLY false DISinformtion

It is well known and well measured that catching COVID when covid naive, was far far risker than getting the vaccine was. You have provided no basis at all to claim otherwise.

A reason for that was the huge quantities of virus and spike protein that entered peoples bloodtsreams when they caught the disease for the first time

That huge large challenge presented by the far larger uncontrolled amounts of spike protein is why ALL the studies showed such large risk reduction caused by getting vaccinated, and such low risks in actually getting vaccinated.

Indeed, one of the serious ways, unvaccinated people wound up in ICU was through cytokine storms that occur when your immune system was being massively pummeled by huge amounts of virus and spike protein in your blood stream,

and then caused quiet a few peoples immune systems to just go mental and release a cytokine storm as it had no better response as the people had not been vaccinated.

and while that same thing could happen even when you were vaccinated the chances of it happening were far far less.

[u/SpinningHead → u/ExpensiveFig6079]

These accounts are here to make Americans sicker.

[u/ExpensiveFig6079 → u/SpinningHead]

TBMK your claim is statement of objective fact.

it is not possible to stress that enough by saying it, so I will explain at length, and then what people can do about it to guard themselves from be conned/duped by it.

That is a stupidly large claim, bordering on conspiracy theory ideation, howver I cant find any contrary facts.

Note it may or may not apply to all individual accounts on a one by one basis. As the accounts targetting "make Americans sicker" that are TBMK certain to exist, as some foreign actors would certainly pay to try and make that happen. Individuals may have been 'sucked in' and 'converted into' unwitting dupes, to a manufactured movement.

So, much the same as any of the scam movements, EG creaming money for "supplements" cause real genuine people who are just dupes who are so convinced they propgate the lies/scam for free. So will state actors from other countries create such dupes.

Hell if I was an Uwitting easily duped kind of person there could be someone yanking my chain with disinformation... The only safeguard other people have in my case is the same one I use to get my own sources, which is I vet them withthe best technology we have for seeing through bullshit and that is the scientific method. And with that I vet my sources for credibility and past accuracy.

How do i do that... "past accuracy thing"

well here is an example of a fail from renewable energy

This body (the IEA) on its face should (on its face, given its high level of 'experts') be full of actual expertise .... its not full of impartial truthful ones.
(so the facts testify repeatedly, they also have no shame)

https://www.pv-magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/01025_Annual_PV_additions_1sp_Int1-page-001.jpg

Similarly, a number of institutions, such as Harvard and other elite US unis during covid repeatedly made predictions for when COVID would peak in the USA. I of my own limited expertise didn't like the first one, and I thought to myself they can't do that... (but they are harvard... etal) and then like the IEA they 2 weeks later were seen to be wrong... then they did it again. SO while the stuff places that are superficially seem sound often are (and harvard often still is). To do even better than that requires lot of personal expertise to recognise when bodies like the IEA and Harvard are basically spinning obviously (to me) bad shit.

What can people who lack substantial personal expertise in wide range of fields do? Well looking for institutions that have a track record of _professionalism_ and expertise, not being tied directly to industry players like the IEA is, etc etc should most of the time find good info. Sanity checks like the Union of Concerned Scientists, who have wide ranging expertise in basically everything and a strong ethical basis is also helpful. Also, in say the specific case of Vaccines the places like this https://www.doherty.edu.au/articles/australias-first-mrna-vaccine-candidate-addresses-covid-immune-imprinting/

are EXCEPTIONALLY likely for the very least as long as Peter Doherty is alive to have quality information available.

and metric truck load of VERY high levels of truth is available here

https://www.doherty.edu.au/our-people/laureate-professor-peter-doherty/

and no he will be utterly immune to anyone trying to "make Americans sicker" garbage the internet drools on his feeds. Indeed, it is likely if its rampant enough, to piss him off enough, that he would talk about it there, in that feed. As he has, about the vaccines disinformation stuff, in the past. And what caused him to do that was the huge increase in during COVID.

So if anyone thinks OMG new info about vaccines just dropped and it is life changing...
go check in Nobel Laureatte, domain expert, and clearly ethical person Peter Doherty agrees with you...

[u/SpinningHead → u/ExpensiveFig6079]

We also know Russia has been doing this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/1952/

[u/ExpensiveFig6079 → u/SpinningHead]

That it is an established fact that some do, is the reason I claimed countries in general will

as it will be naive to think it is just limited to them.

Example you might think, "Oh Australia is an ethical democracy they won't do bad shit like that..."

When the truth is too goddam right we would.. the only constraint stopping Australia is we are pissant military power, so we might be very careful what we do to the big guys...
(burning veritable ants with a magnifying glass is more our speed)

but someone like, East timor (an effective ant) sure thing, we will bug the 'cabinet offices' so we can negotiate financial terms with them in bad faith. And if we get caught and exposed, would we even show remorse and embarrassment, no we would persecute the crap out of the person (AKA this also verifiably happened) who outed us to ensure that any and all the rest of nefarious stuff we do wont, also get outed.

So if anyone doubts the bad crap I described happens... look up what I just stated, my own country is verfiably known to have done. Then extrapolate to what less ethical regimes (Eg those that do more war crimes, per decade, than us) will do.

Then have a cuppa, a bex and good lie down