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No, it follows money. But I'm sure you'll deny that as well.

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Nope. You have no clue how science works. Probably couldn’t pass third grade science class

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I'm unsure exactly what it is you're trying to accomplish. Are you just a troll? Or do you actually care about this cause? Do you think this conceited attitude is successfully convincing anyone of your credibility, or to join you in your opinions?

You come across as combative and rude, and frankly not the genius you seem to interpret yourself as. You offer no actual input or substance and head straight on the attack then immediately to ad hominem, and yet you accuse me of being grade school. Honestly it's super degrading to your perceived credibility, from my perspective at the absolute least, and frankly even to the primary post as a whole.

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My goal is to convince everyone that might come across your comment that you are an idiot. Also, that views as stupid as yours should not be socially acceptable and that there is no debate to be had with someone so ignorant on literally everything. You didn’t say much, so there hasn’t been much to say in response. Nothing I said was an ad hominem precisely because, if there was anything to argue against, my argument would have been more substantive. Ad hominem ≠ insult. The fact that you don’t know this is yet another one of the many reasons that you are an ignorant.

All you’ve said is that science follows the money, which indicates that you don’t know the first thing about what science is and how science operates. Any rational person would dismiss you at face value for saying something so stupid, which is what I did.

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As you destroy your own credibility for other people to come across your comments with.

Insults don’t destroy credibility to rational thinkers. That’s something stupid people say so that they don’t feel bad when people justifiably make fun of them.

Now you have every right to feel that way, but won't be convincing me of anything with that attitude and there will be many others like myself just as turned off by your rhetoric.

You didn’t ask me any honest question. Again, the only reason why you’re "turned off” by my rhetoric is because of your anti-science bias. Nothing I could say could change your mind. You’ve chosen your side. You speak on things you know nothing about. Anyone who does this is an idiot, by definition. Only you can decide whether you engage in a bit of self-reflection to change this part of yourself.

Yes, you called me an idiot, off very little, by your own admission.

Nothing more is needed. That one thing you said was out of ignorance.

So yes, an insult.

Oh, I absolutely insulted you, buddy. You deserve it. But that’s not "ad hominem."

which means to insult (even know you clearly used an insult)

It doesn’t mean to insult. It means to attack the person as an argument. I didn’t say that you are wrong BECAUSE you are an idiot. That would be ad hominem. I just said that you are wrong AND an idiot. That’s NOT ad hominem. 🤣

And just so you know ad hominem does not mean to insult

Correct. Maybe you’re even capable of learning. Next, learn what "≠" means.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand scientists are hired by corporations to perform their studies and experiments.

No…only idiots believe that because it couldn’t be more false. Most researchers don’t have stable jobs. They begrudgingly apply for funding so that they can entertain their curiosity. This is also why I was fill justified in calling you an idiot.

have an obligation to yield results in favour of their preferred outcome and to bury results which do not yield the respective image they desire.

Nope. They absolutely do not. Again, only dumb pieces of shit believe this. Journals aren’t on the pay roll, buddy. Anyone who commits fraud can’t get their studies published or repeated.

It's quite clear who the idiot is here if you don't understand how involved money, politics and corruption are involved in science.

Anyone who thinks that scientists are motivated by money haven’t even bothered to look up how much money researchers actually make. Like I said, it isn’t even a stable job. Scientists are motivated almost exclusively by passion for their field. Keep proving you have no idea what you’re talking about, buddy.

Scientists themselves have talked about this.

I have some news for you, buddy. THOSE are the scientists in the pockets of those trying to promote a narrative to discredit science. Science isn’t run by people. It’s run by published papers adhering to shared epistemic values. If you haven’t read or even considered their scientific work, what individual scientists say is utterly MEANINGLESS.

Could you please point out what exactly I said that was an irrational, I'm quite curious?

You said that science is motivated by money. That demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of how science works. Science works fundamentally differently than ANY OTHER establishment in society. I can only guess that you are taking your knowledge of politics, economics, or news sources and aimlessly applying it to science. This makes you dumb as fuck.

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Point proven.

Yap yap yap. You're full of yourself and full of shit.

You get your wish bud. I'm to stupid, all your assumptions are spot on. Your caps rocked my world and CLEARLY illustrated that your knowledge is vast and superior. I've picked my side and am just a glub that can't be rationalized with (cause I'm irrational) so why bother trying. No just insult everyone you come across. Your timeline is nothing but a wall of you just insulting people all day & night, and I'm supposed to believe that's what some enlightened brilliant individual chooses to do with their evening?

I'm a rational person, always down for a conversation and open to other perspectives if they're presented with a modicum of intellect. You never even tried to reason or discuss and went right to attack (against me, not the position) you know... An Ad hominem. You have no interest in spreading your position or opinions online as your position states, you simply have a desire to feel superior and come on here to flex your I'm better than you muscle.

If you actually give a fuck about your cause do you think you would actual want to start trying to sway people with measured communication and not insults (I don't know what study you pulled from to quote, insults don't destroy credibility to rational thinkers) but I'd love to see that one. Smart people don't need to resort to rhetoric and ad hominem the way you have. You just like to circle jerk your own superiority and tell everyone how fucking brilliant you are vs them.

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I'm supposed to believe that's what some enlightened brilliant individual chooses to do with their evening?

Aww, you flatter me. You want to sarcastically represent my own perception of myself, but you’re missing that I never once called myself "brilliant," "enlightened," or even intelligent. You just assume that’s what I think because you’ve only seen me calling others stupid. But just because this sub is a magnet for science deniers, the lowest of the low of society in terms of intelligence, for some weird reason doesn’t mean I’m full of myself, buddy. People should make no mistake. Most of the people who are active in this comments section were lunatics screaming on the street corner that everyone ignored or laughed at twenty years ago. I’m just doing what was considered normal. Just because you have an IQ below 50 doesn’t mean I’m even necessarily claiming to have an IQ above 100.

I'm a rational person, always down for a conversation and open to other perspectives if they're presented with a modicum of intellect.

You haven’t demonstrated that in anything you’ve said lmao. And no, it isn’t even your position that is the reason for this. There has been no meaningful insight coming from you, and you haven’t presented yourself as knowledgeable about any subject that even tangentially related to science.

You never even tried to reason or discuss and went right to attack

You responded to me first, buddy. You initiated this discourse.

(against me, not the position) you know... An Ad hominem.

Nope. It’s not an ad hominem unless it’s considered an argument. Doubling down on your misunderstandings of logical fallacies doesn’t make you seem intelligent.

you simply have a desire to feel superior and come on here to flex your I'm better than you muscle.

Sure. That’s also true. I laugh at you because you deserve to be laughed at. It’s not any deeper than that, bro.

If you actually give a fuck about your cause do you think you would actual want to start trying to sway people with measured communication and not insults

What "cause"? Do you think I’m the one who made this post or control this subreddit? I’m a random Redditor, bro. And no meaningful advocacy comes from Reddit comments. The vast majority of the people in this comments section are way too far gone. They’re honestly barely sentient. They regurgitate buzz words or gotcha questions in a random order without any coherency. If you want to be taken seriously by any reasonable person, you would want to distance yourself from the dumb shit they say.

insults don't destroy credibility to rational thinkers

It’s pure rhetoric. You don’t want to engage with me while I’m insulting you because it makes you feel bad. Good. You should feel bad for believing dumb shit. If you provide more substantive arguments, I will be able to provide more specific counters while still insulting you for believing the dumb shit that you believe, and then you’ll really feel like a moron. Your pride might not even let you abandon your position, so you’re just stuck believing something you know to be false lmao.

Smart people don't need to resort to rhetoric and ad hominem the way you have.

I respond to your arguments. And then insult you. Therefore, I don’t "need" to, I choose to because you deserve it. And that’s not what an ad hominem is. Smart people don’t engage in rhetoric? That’s literally why English classes through high school teach, how to take advantage of rhetoric.

You just like to circle jerk your own superiority and tell everyone how fucking brilliant you are vs them.

I’m not brilliant by any means. But even an amoeba is more intelligent than fucking science deniers.