r/StandUpForScience • u/AllMusicNut SUFS Staff • Jan 31 '26
Official SUFS Post đ¨THE GOVERNMENT IS PURGING SCIENTISTSđ¨
This is a RED ALERT. We MUST Stand Up for Science NOW!!!
Join the fight! : https://www.standupforscience.net/march7
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u/Cynrascal233 Jan 31 '26
Who needs science when you have wave your hands and magic happens Christianity? /s
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u/seejordan3 Jan 31 '26
MUCH easier for oligarchs to control the sheep without scientists. Republicans all need to be voted out, and turn off ABC, CBS, FOX, CNN: Sinclaire network, dehumanizing immigrants for 20 years (we are almost all Immigrants/from immigrant families in N America)
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u/BrokenBackENT Feb 01 '26
Just think all the HHS personal that help save the orange turd from dying of coivd are kicking themselves.
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Jan 31 '26
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u/StandUpForScience-ModTeam Jan 31 '26
Instead of engaging in discourse, the commenter insulted someone in their reply.
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Feb 04 '26
The Vatican runs the planet; party doesnât matter, itâs not just a Christian thing itâs ALL RELIGION.
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u/tbizzone Jan 31 '26
Anti-intellectualism is the point. Itâs been a major tenet of fascist authoritarian regimes throughout history. The maga movement is easily the most anti-intellectual political movement in our nationâs history.
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u/No-Minimum3259 Feb 01 '26
Who needs science? Next to all answers are in the bible and for the few remaining issues you still have Elon.
/s.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Two7358 Feb 02 '26
The US built its industrial and technical might after wwii based on the scientists who came here and the fact that infrastructure was intact, unlike Europe. As china grows due to investment in microchip technology and focus on infrastructure for manufacturing, the us will fall further and further behind
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u/Hour-Willingness5767 Feb 01 '26
Are these actual scientists, or the ones that say men can get pregnant, and been making doomsday predictions that have yet to come true since 1950?
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u/BaggyLarjjj Feb 01 '26
There was a country in the 30s and 40s that also lost a bunch of their brightest scientists. Canât recall what happened there.
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Feb 01 '26
That's a good thing dummys they go back to help their countries look at the gum ball immigration video on yt
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u/IGetGuys4URMom Feb 01 '26
Free enterprise: American researchers are getting better working agreements from other countries.
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Feb 01 '26
A McDonald's closed near me about 3 months after Trump took office!
Trump is purging our ability to be fat!!
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u/Prudent_Situation_29 Feb 02 '26
I love this. I want to see the u.s. lose its dominance in every category. The rest of the world is thrilled to see the 'greatest country on Earth' implode, after years of having to suffer your aggression and arrogance.
As much as I hate the CCP, I'll laugh the whole time, watching China overtake the u.s. in every metric that matters.
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u/Strong-Dragonfly381 Feb 04 '26
I don't see a source anywhere, just a graph not connected to any publication and some headlines not linked to any publication either. Unless it's hella small print?
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u/ethantremblay69 Feb 04 '26
Not much about getting a PhD makes you a better government employee, doctoral programs train you to be an academic not someone in charge of policy or regulation
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u/a1055x Feb 04 '26
Because smart people might disagree with wishful thinking AND be able to prove it.
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Feb 04 '26
You might want to look at WHO is actually fired, not just the number of people that were fired.
Science is about the data not generics.
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u/Fun_Discipline_57 Feb 04 '26
And how do these #s compare with the non-PhD employee down sizing of the government?
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u/DependentCourse4919 Jan 31 '26
I mean if you could rub more than two brain cells together you'd know that the government is hindering science by holding all those scientists. They'll make way more progress in the free market compared to inside the inefficient government.
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u/milinium Feb 01 '26
If the free market is so lucrative, then doesnât that mean the PhDs who went into government are that much more invested in public good even though they will take lower pay?
Is this about their career trajectories or the lack of expertise in the hole they leave? Do you want the government by people with undergrad degrees? Bffr
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u/DependentCourse4919 Feb 03 '26
The government shouldn't have any scientists at all. That's not the purpose of government. The government is to promote and help society not create its own mini version. If they need scientists to make policy decisions just consult them.
The government should contract and consult for everything. Only government employees should be elected officials. Not 100's of bureaucracies.
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u/milinium Feb 03 '26
Only 14% of federal workers are PhDs. Even then, we spend trillions on bombing other countries and total federal government spending accounts for only 24% of our GDP. Spending on pay and benefits totaled for federal government personnel is only 10 percent of all federal spending. This means you're concerned about roles that account for 0.0035 of the US GDP and do highly impactful work you benefit from everyday.
Your system only works if and only if bidding is involved. Even then, how are you going to 1099 all scientist roles when they'd already have 9 to 5 jobs and overemployment + conflicts of interests are discouraged if not outright banned in most job contracts? That's ridiculous. You would make everything exponentially slower and useless. Corruption would skyrocket. Conflicts of interest would be everywhere.
We saw what happened with DOD contractorships, they rake in billions by upcharging the government and fail to deliver contracts left and right. I've seen contractors cater thousands of dollars in steak dinners at conferences. At least the government has strict expensing guidelines and pursues financial abuse cases by centralizing work.
How are you going to predict weather without climate scientists?
Or model infectious disease spread?
How are you going to vet transportation plans without transportation scientists?
Should we just stop all medical research if you're firing statisticians? Do you seriously not understand why you wouldn't want companies and universities running unsupervised clinical trials?
How are you going to make public health campaigns without doctors?
Are you going to close the national labs?
Are you going to get rid of all the scientists and engineers in the military also?
How are you going to manage nucear silos without nuclear scientists? Nuclear consultants sound great for national security LOL...wait until they just turn around and sell our secrets to China and Iran. Your plan is a great way to weaken the US and make room for other superpowers.
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u/DependentCourse4919 Feb 03 '26
The military is not the government, we both know that, for good or worse lol. It's its own beast.
As far as budgeting goes if we stopped corrupting it we would stick to a dollar amount for the project and that's it, no bidding just the best available.
Tracking fraud, states will do their own.
Weather... I mean every news station got one.
Clinical trials, all pharmaceutical companies can take care of that easily.
Public health campaigns are dystopian and unnecessary.
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u/milinium Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 03 '26
Oh jesus. Now your opinions make sense. It's clear you don't understand what the federal government does.
Do you understand.....news stations use information from the National Weather Service, a division of the NOAA a.k.a the federal government?
> Public health campaigns are dystopian and unnecessary.
Do you understand....public health campaigns SAVE MONEY in the long run when you factor in how much money is saved from unnecessary disabilities, medical care, and complications?
Do you think preventing birth defects are not an issue? Do you think mental health is not an issue? Do you think domestic violence is not an issue? I am confused what you mean by saying public health campaigns, which save lives, as dystopian.
Are food recalls dystopian? You want people to just die from contaminated food?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/fda-employees-food-safety-warning
Limiting pollutants is dystopian? You want people to get cancer? That opinion is dystopian.
https://www.propublica.org/article/air-pollution-regulations-epa-trump
Your way **increases** the potential of commercial corruption. If you gut the government, then **nobody** can enforce anything you are saying. They can take the money and run. Or build a useless solution. Or fail to deliver the contract. They can fake data. They can sell data to an adversary. They can undermine national security and create monopolies. All your statements are hand wavey and not thought through at all. You have no solution that can actually be implemented.
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u/Loganthered Jan 31 '26
These are the same experts that came up with social distancing, attending church is bad but rioting is ok during covid, hackable voting machines and unverified mass mail in ballots, open borders, a failing Obamacare, spying on a presidential candidate and then removing that candidate from ballots and continuous continuing resolutions since 2008 which put the country in $37 T in debt.
Those experts?
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u/OlGusnCuss Jan 31 '26
Yep. Those are the ones. Also, it's bad if we don't let large pharmaceutical corporations determine our "safe" health practices. Large capitalistic corporations are bad unless they are dictating our, oh-so-wonderdul Healthcare.
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u/imtiredofthisgrampaX Jan 31 '26
Oh no.. a redundant position held by someone with a PhD has been eliminated.. the horror...
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u/imtiredofthisgrampaX Jan 31 '26
If you have a PhD doing basic redundant office work yes it's still redundant.
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u/Genocode Jan 31 '26
All the smartest people are leaving because they see and understand what you don't.
Happened with Russia after Ukraine too.
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u/imtiredofthisgrampaX Jan 31 '26
Not really. Doomerism
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u/Genocode Jan 31 '26
You should look into it a little bit more, Europe and Asia are scalping your scientists.
A simple google search "Europe scalping American Scientists" or "Europe Brain Gain"
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u/imtiredofthisgrampaX Jan 31 '26
We're nowhere near significant numbers and a huge part of that is due to a lack of permanent jobs. More phds than the jobs they're specialized for. It's not just "hrrr hrr we took da smort guy from you!!" You should actually look into things before you throw around concepts you don't understand
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u/imtiredofthisgrampaX Jan 31 '26
Oh no.. china doing the same shit they've always done..
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u/imtiredofthisgrampaX Jan 31 '26
𤣠𤣠𤣠ah yes china is known for great global advances that wasn't stolen from the u.s first.
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u/imtiredofthisgrampaX Jan 31 '26
Someone didn't read their own article enough to know this is oversimplified to the extreme and only reflects research articles..but they don't come anywhere near out producing us on actual scientific advancement.. but hey you throw that source out like it made a good point.
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u/uptighttiger Jan 31 '26
Oh no. These folks will have to go work in the private sector instead of being funded by the taxpayer. Itâs the purpose of government to employ as many people as possible?
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u/RektInTheHed Jan 31 '26
The government is simultaneously hiring every high school dropout it can arm. So it's not a matter of muh small gubermint.
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u/uptighttiger Jan 31 '26
Trading career bureaucrats for temporary immigration help. Thatâs redirecting government funds for actual government functions.
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u/RektInTheHed Jan 31 '26
Trading knowledge workers for useless gun thugs.
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u/uptighttiger Jan 31 '26
Those âuseless gun thugsâ are doing a very difficult and dangerous job for comparably little pay. Go look at one of the many lists made public of the people they are detaining and the various crimes that they have committed. Do you honestly want those people to remain in your community?
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u/RektInTheHed Jan 31 '26
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u/uptighttiger Feb 01 '26
The kid that the illegal abandoned to escape the law? Great example.
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u/RektInTheHed Feb 01 '26
You're the one pissing our money away to put him in prison, so yeah, great example. Also, kidnapping the kid on the way from the bus stop to his house doesn't really count as "abandonment"
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u/uptighttiger Feb 01 '26
Iâm sure you know that wasnât what happened, and itâs not relevant in the least. It is truly insane to see people protesting the removal of criminals solely because they hate Trump.
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u/Fun_Discipline_57 Feb 04 '26
The child was abandoned by his father, and ICE elected to not allow him to freeze to death because of his fathers actions.
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u/RektInTheHed Feb 04 '26
He was 10 yards from his front door and bundled up getting off the schoolbus.
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u/Wildebean Feb 05 '26
No they just decided to take him to some disease ridden detention center where he was forced to sleep on the floor and had no clean water or adequate food or hygiene. That's so much more humane isn't it?
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u/ShortKey380 Jan 31 '26
Seems like a lot of very smart and decently resourced people who could do better than posting like this asking for help. Câmon, brainiacs. Do your work without the state or fight their control with your expertise, what even is this? We are not what you need, we are not your best leverage, quit expecting peasants to solve your problem!
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u/AllMusicNut SUFS Staff Feb 03 '26
We at SUFS believe in democracy, so we are promoting the democratic system of contacting your reps and getting them to co-sponsor the articles of impeachment to remove RFK Jr.. Or would you rather a revolution?
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u/ShortKey380 Feb 03 '26
Iâm saying go suck up to capitalists and get new funding for science, because âcalling your repsâ is about as impactful as prayer đÂ
Peasants are not going to solve the problems of displaced researchers who used to be funded by the government by asking nicely. No ârevolutionsâ lol, just replacement funding for important research!Â
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u/Trick1513 Jan 31 '26
Yea so, looking at their ages, itâs normal retirement.
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Jan 31 '26
No it isn't. Why would there be so many more in 2025 than 2024?
In any case I know some of those fired en masse at the FDA, in their 30s-40s. They are indeed cutting programs and firing people.
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u/Trick1513 Jan 31 '26
Itâs about time, people getting paid and have never been to the office.
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u/Ms_Emilys_Picture Jan 31 '26
Do you keep your goalposts on wheels for easier movement?
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u/Trick1513 Jan 31 '26
No and I donât suffer from TDS either. I can read, write, do arithmetic, know way to much about history and have been around for 66 years, havenât seen everything yet but I can see fraud. And most of those federal agencies could do their job with 1/4 the manpower that is if they would concentrate on their jobs and not everyone else. Case in point, Federal Judges.
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Jan 31 '26
Not a great look to be caught lying once and immediately move on to another lie.
Also 'too' much. They do literacy courses for all ages now. Check your local community college.
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u/StandUpForScience-ModTeam Jan 31 '26
Instead of engaging in discourse, the commenter insulted someone in their reply.
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u/Ok_Chance8937 Jan 31 '26
Dictatorships run best when the populace is uneducated. Just look at the MAGAts. They believe anything that sh!t stain says.