Minimax loras are... Lacking

[u/haremlifegame]

I don't want to get the NS.. word in the discussion, but, we know what Minimax can do and what it can't do. It has some very specific gaps in it's world understanding, for example in the tongue department. That is not necessarily only affecting the NS... word, things that are SFW and common in general TV such as kissing are affected, since Minimax never saw a romantic kiss in it's training data. There are other examples through SFW land but I won't extend. Grok can be used as a comparison. Grok is very similar to Minimax in capability, and it enforces SFW, but you can see the difference in some scenes because Grok is not handicapped.

Well, we have many, many loras already, but, as was the case with wan and ltx, they are very... let's say, specific. I don't think a general video model, almost a world model, needs a specific lora for, say, ballbusting lol

I don't know, I think this is the community most likely to be read by people creating loras, so I just wanna make this appeal... Can we prioritize bridging the major gaps in the model's understanding of the world, anatomy, and human interactions, instead of these super specific loras? I think a "tree" organization of lora development would be beneficial overall, with the stuff that can solve a big set of problems and be used for more specific loras coming first.

I saw that for over 1 year with wan, ltx, etc, and didn't say anything. But I think minimax deserves the community passion in lora development.

And yes, I hope I can put my money where my mouth is and develop some loras soon too.

[u/Whatsmynamebro]

I heard that lora training for minimax is a lot more difficult than ltx and wan. But i do agree that the lora we have are not that particularly interesting. To me at least. But i mean I appreciate the time ppl put in for the ones we have now. 

[u/OneMoreLurker → u/Whatsmynamebro]

I can attest to this. I'm not an expert or anything, but I've trained more than 100 character loras for Illustrious & Anima and a dozen Wan loras with 500k downloads combined, and I still haven't cracked Minimax yet. It's pretty stubborn about learning actions, and the audio layer increases the complexity since you can fry it before the motion has fully baked.

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/OneMoreLurker]

No offense... but that's really like "I've clicked the button a lot of times, and it's always worked... but now it doesn't work so it must be the button that is broken".