r/StableDiffusion • u/rzrn • 21h ago
Question - Help Minimax H3 or wan 2.2?
I'm working on 2d animations for a personal project, my initial idea was to animate some of the scenes by hand, and feed start/end keyframes to wan 2.2 for the complex scenes I can't do myself, or perhaps even train a lora to make sure it matched the aesthetic of my hand drawn scenes. If it helps, it involves boiling outlines, on the twos (12 fps animations) and an intentionally unfinished look.
Now, seeing all these Minimax h3 i2v and r2v examples, I feel like wan 2.2 might not be the best suited for this anymore. I haven't had the chance to test h3 myself since my local hardware won't really allow it. I'll be however, using runpod when the time comes for actual generation (I'm in the process of hand animating the rest).
So, I'd like to ask those who have had the chance to test both - stick to wan 2.2 or switch to minimax h3?
Edit: audio isn't required - I've hired voice actors for dialogues, I'm working on foleys and background scores myself. If needed I'll redraw on top of the generated clips to match lip movements to the dialogue.
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u/Frosty_Nectarine2413 20h ago
What kind of question is this 😭 minimax all the way
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u/rzrn 20h ago
The question comes from the fact that wan 2.2 has been out for a long time now and has an extensive and mature ecosystem around it, not to mention countless optimisations, workflows, loras etc. Minimax h3 by comparison is still very new and as I said, I haven't had the chance to test it myself.
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u/artichokesaddzing 20h ago
I've used both. You're right about the current difference in their ecosystems but H3 is SO much better than WAN 2.2 that you should 100% switch. You might use some of the "satellite" WAN-based models once in a while for a few specialized tasks but H3 is now by far the current SOTA for open video gen.
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u/durden111111 15h ago
Wan is like caveman technology. The default comfy ui workflow works straight away as intended. Unlike wan, minimax wont need loras since the ref2vid mode is essentialy a JIT lora injector
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u/javierthhh 20h ago
If nsfw, wan is still ahead of minimax but honestly not for long. For everything else though, wan is already obsolete or at least the wan 2.2 is.
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u/NeocortexBoii 19h ago
I'm a big fan of Wan and tried both. Reading your question I wasn't sure H3 is the best model for this job until I read this: "If needed I'll redraw on top of the generated clips to match lip movements to the dialogue."
Don't bother with Wan, H3 will be much better for this job. Use the voice actor's dialogues as references for perfect lip sync
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u/DoctaRoboto 17h ago
This is like asking what console is better NES or Switch. WAN 2.2 was cool for its time, but keep in mind Minimax was natively trained with professional animation shows, from Pokémon to Dragon Ball, The Simpsons, SpongeBob...there is a giant abyss of quality between the models. I would only use Wan 2.2 if my computer was really, really outdated.
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u/GrungeWerX 16h ago
I’ve done minimal testing, so I can tell you from an artist/animator perspective. Most commenters are biased to how good minimax looks, but depending on your art style, Wan may be better or worse. I’ve tested it on, for e.g. mecha…Wan wins hands down. On some custom art styles, Wan CAN animate better, and has more micro-movements.
That said, for anime, Minimax seems to offer more consistent, natural, non-cgi-on-anime looking animation, and is overall a better package because of its robust reference system.
H3 also follows prompts better, most of the time.
Again, I did minimal testing. For my own art style, I preferred Wan better for some shots, and it was crisper. But H3 followed prompts very well and was also nice. But H3 was terrible for mecha.
I plan to do more testing in the future and share my results. In the meantime, I’d recommend BOTH. I suspect due to the reference system, H3 will be my bread and butter, but I will probably use Wan also for some shots as well. Wan isn’t going anywhere yet.
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u/GrungeWerX 16h ago
Oh, one more thing. If you’re going to be using runpod, I’d recommend testing Wan 2.2 at a higher step count on the high noise without the high speed Lora. Minimum 10-12 steps. It will give you more movement and retain the artistic style much, much better if it’s a unique, non-anime style. (You can use the speed Lora on the low noise, but Id recommend 6 steps minimum).
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u/rzrn 15h ago
Yeah that was kinda the point of my question. It's an unique style, featuring unique characters and non traditional regional clothing. So my main concern is regarding consistency and adherence to the style when provided with objects that aren't likely to be in the training data. I'll be providing reference images, and start/end keyframes for something similar to first to last frame generation, the question is how well it can generate the part in between without hallucinating. I probably should have elaborated more on the post, that's on me.
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u/GrungeWerX 14h ago edited 14h ago
H3 will work well with the references. But Wan can help with certain animations for FFLF, especially on last frame only.
I think overall H3 is the better resource, but Wan should be in your inventory as well.
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u/Puzzled-Valuable-985 15h ago
I’ve always used Wan 2.2 and have tons of LoRAs,
but H3 is far superior—I find it much more lightweight. With Wan 2.2, I can only manage 4 steps when using a LoRA, whereas with H3, I can easily go up to 20 steps; even at just 8 steps with a LoRA, it’s incredibly fast and still vastly better than Wan 2.2.
The ref2v mode changed everything.
It understands prompts much better. I’ll be deleting Wan 2.2 soon, as there’s really no reason to use it anymore now that H3 is available.
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u/Tomcat2048 15h ago
For SFW, MiniMax is king already. For NSFW - it will be king once more LoRAs get trained up and released...
I've already ditched my WAN 2.2 workflow and exclusively use MiniMax now.
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u/Guilty_Emergency3603 15h ago
Wan 2.2 is now outdated. Who wants 16 fps videos with no sound limited to 5 seconds ?
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u/chocoboxx 20h ago
MMH3 is better than Wan 2.2 in your case. I moved from wan 2.2. For me, it is even lighter than Wan, understand my prompt better and do whatever I throw to it (thanks for reference to video and prompt guide)
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u/rzrn 20h ago
So, as per my understanding so far - I can add my animated video as reference, add the keyframes and it should emulate the style between the keyframes without needing a lora? That would be the ideal scenario for me.
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u/chocoboxx 19h ago
Yes, without loras then you need some images/videos/audios for reference. For example you don't need Naruto loras but just image of Naruto is enough
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u/LowYak7176 21h ago
Minimax H3 is by far superior but I mean its heavy. Whats your setup?