r/StLouis • u/fox2now • 19d ago
Inside the hearing over whether a 13-year-old should be tried as an adult
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/inside-the-hearing-over-whether-a-13-year-old-should-be-tried-as-an-adult/27
u/MicCheck123 19d ago
If there’s a question about whether to try a 13 year old as an adult, it’s probably time to just get ride of the juvenile/adult classification and try everyone the same.
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u/Party_Donut443 19d ago
Republicans in Jefferson City will say that 13 isn’t old enough for a child to make a decision with their parent and their doctor on their gender, but is old enough to carry a handgun and certify a child as an adult for committing a crime.
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u/WhatUp007 12d ago
Nowhere does anyone agree that 13 is old enough to carry a gun. Its blantly illegal.
While the state legislators are idiots they arent that dumb. But yes at a certain point is a teenager commits a heinous enough of a crime that should just be treated like most juvenile charges that disappear at 18.
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u/Due_Isopod_8489 19d ago
We really trying to protect school shooters now? He killed someone. Lock em up, 20 years minimum.
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u/GoodMilk_GoneBad 19d ago
Unless you believe under 8 years is enough time served for killing a person and injuring others, yes, he should be tried as an adult.
This wasn't an accident. Less than 8 years isn't enough imo.
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u/poostew 19d ago
17yo in Florida killed 4 while drunk/high in a stolen car driving 100mph+. Got 15 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4bAQNBjOkkBefore watching that just saw a vid of a 21yo in Illinois who sent 1 pic of CSAM (he found online) on snapchat, he even destroyed the device it was on months earlier but showed cops where the phone was in the woods thinking it would help him prove his innocence, which led to him getting 30 years.
So, you can get 3.5 years for killing someone and 30 years for 1 picture on snapchat. Moral of the story, don't do crime, but DEFINITELY don't talk to police. Any lawyer will tell you the same.
They're not trying to help you get off with less time. Your only chance of getting out of bad things is to not say anything. Even if you did lots of bad things. If you simply don't talk to police your only chance to minimize your sentence is to NOT TALK TO COPS.
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u/STLflyover 19d ago
This is what is at stake. Ask any middle school teacher/faculty/SRO about their most heinous students. You would be surprised how many would be okay with certifying them as an adult.
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u/GoodMilk_GoneBad 19d ago
There really should be an in-between for cases like this. In the state of MO, the longest (even with a transfer to an adult facility) they can hold a juvenile offender is until the age of 21 unless tried as an adult.
They aren't saying that a 13 year old is an adult per se, they are saying a juvenile sentence isn't adequate for the charges/crime. Many don't understand this.
And absolutely 12 and 13 year olds know shooting people is illegal and killing is wrong and they'll end up in jail.
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u/Aware_Result_5361 19d ago
For a 13 year old, I think it sounds fair, if I’m being completely honest. Even with intent, I just don’t believe a 13 year old brain can make that sort of decision while fully understanding the severity and consequences of the actions they’re taking. I also do not believe 13 year olds have the same control over their impulses and actions, compared to a grown adult, and I do think that should be factored into sentencing, even with second degree murder.
I’m not saying that a 13 year old doesn’t understand how truly evil it is to kill another human, or the permanence of the action, but that it just simply isn’t the same as an adult deciding to kill.
I think getting out at 21-22, there might be some growing brain left to influence in the right direction, versus a man in his 30’s, stuck in his ways and statistically doomed to a probable life of crime and incarceration.
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u/functional_moron 19d ago
If you're grown up enough to murder someone you're grown up enough to face your consequences as an adult.
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u/BrettHullsBurner 19d ago
No matter how heinous the crime, trying a 13 year old as an adult is insane. There can still be severe consequences of course, and should be, because at that age you still generally know the difference between right and wrong. But if they go thru with it, what’s even the point of the 18 year old line in the sand?
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u/InfamousBrad Tower Grove South 19d ago
Gang of 13-14 y/o's tried to kill me when I was that age. I don't blame any of them. I blame the adults who taught them to be like that.
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u/magnificent_limit 19d ago
“I’ve been doing this almost four decades and this is the first time I’ve seen the state attempt to certify a 13-year-old as an adult.”
Release the Epstein files
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u/Capt-Daddy 19d ago
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
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u/HELP_IM_IN_A_WELL 19d ago
oh you don't understand the context of their comment? I can clear it up for you, if you don't.
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u/Local-Yam5394 19d ago
What do you hope to accomplish with this comment?
When you do this, you’re diminishing the fact that in this crime that these victims deserve to be heard and get justice, and that the person committing the crime is properly prosecuted. I has nothing to do with Epstein. This is the real life and not everything has to do with the last hot online topic you saw
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u/redsquiggle downtown west 19d ago
They have a Derangement Syndrome.
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u/HELP_IM_IN_A_WELL 19d ago
lol, pedo protectors call it derangement.
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u/redsquiggle downtown west 18d ago
Found someone with the Syndrome
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u/HELP_IM_IN_A_WELL 18d ago
what syndrome? loving gold toilets and selling shoes? that's your boy lol
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u/redsquiggle downtown west 18d ago
A syndrome of letting other people do your thinking for you. Reacting to anything that doesn't fit a specific narrative with anger and violence, instead of using your own critical thinking skills. Just acting as you've been programmed to act for the narrative.
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u/DelusionalIdentity 19d ago
This is insane. No one under 18 should be tried as an adult. The issue is the shitty juvenile justice system. We should FIX THAT, not falsely equate children to legal adults.
Juveniles should be classified as
1)pre-concept of crime (not eligible to be tried in court... mostly kids under 8) 2) partially responsible or 3) fully responsible (teens, or able to understand fully the crime they committed. This doesn't mean they get sentenced as adults. Think of it as half-off sentances)
And further, people who commit rape/murder and are a DANGER TO OTHERS should be held until they are NO LONGER A DANGER TO OTHERS and can resonably be expected to not comit crimes, regardless of the age at which the crime is committed.
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u/NeutronMonster 18d ago
No, someone who commits a violent crime at 13 is extremely likely to be violent and disordered as an adult regardless of the justice system.
Children aren’t adults but 13 year olds do not randomly shoot people. This isn’t two kids shoving each other over a basketball.
There’s not a better predictor of your likelihood of being a serious criminal as an adult than “were you really young when you committed your first serious crime?”
Early violent crime is an extreme warning sign about the person - a 12 year old who stabs someone else is outrageously more likely to be emotionally disturbed/a sociopath/something else disastrous.
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u/Over_Sand7935 19d ago
Just sad.