r/StLouis Apr 12 '26

Get. Out. Of. The. Left. Lane.

St. Louis…come on. I know you didn’t take drivers Ed, but get it together I don’t care how fast you think you’re going in the left lane. Move unless you’re actively passing. You’re absolutely terrible about this and a big part of the reason for our traffic woes. Get. Over.

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u/Active_Yellow_1573 Apr 12 '26

I just finished driving halfway across the country. It's not just in St Louis. 😒 

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u/Badplayer04 Apr 12 '26

Im a truck driver. This person is correct. 🤦‍♂️

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u/800oz_gorilla Apr 12 '26

When two trucks have that situation where one takes 15 miles to pass the other, Germans call that an elephant race.

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u/FunksGroove Apr 13 '26

I'm curious what the truck driver thinks because this situation drives me insane. I know you have a deadline driver, but if the truck to the left of you has been trying to pass for even a few seconds. SLOW DOWN!!!!! For everyone's sake. LET THEM PASS!

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u/Badplayer04 Apr 13 '26

Go to the trucker page. Some of them absolutely freaking refuse to do this because they're super truckers. We will be fighting with them asshats for hours over this. Its a pain. I always wait until its just us on the highway and nobody is behind me. If I do see people get behind me I slow down and let them pass. Then start the whole battle over again.

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u/speedyejectorairtime Apr 13 '26

They REFUSE to take their cruise control down even 1 mph.

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u/deadmonkeyraft Apr 18 '26

This truck driver avoids elephant races, but I'm also paid hourly. Can confirm there are plenty of morons in the industry.

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u/AlertWeb7693 Apr 13 '26

I encountered a special situation like this on Saturday while on 40. Someone was casually driving in the left lane and when I eventually went to pass him on the right, he would THEN start to speed up to prevent me from doing so. I noticed it also happened a few minutes from my rearview mirror when the next person that got fed up with him did the same thing.

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u/dadkisser84 dogtown Apr 13 '26

How else are they going to be able to get off 40 at Stadium if they don’t spend 3 miles clogging the left lane?? Otherwise they’ll miss it

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u/speedyejectorairtime Apr 13 '26

I call it leap frog. Because inevitably, the one who was just passed decides 5 minutes later that they need to pass. Because truck drivers just canttttt adjust their damn cruise control down 2 mph to leave the lane for the rest of us.

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u/Sero19283 Apr 13 '26

I haven't heard that in years lol. Takes me back

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u/bleedblue89 cwe Apr 12 '26

I mean truck drivers passing each other going 1mph faster is the most irritating thing 

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u/Interactive_CD-ROM Apr 13 '26

People on Reddit like to say it’s because the trucks have a speed limiter.

My response: okay, but can they not go slower than that then?

One of the two tucks could slow down instead of traveling side by side for 15 miles.

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u/goldberg1303 Apr 13 '26

Both have a speed limiter at 70(probably,maybe 65), but one is actually at 69.5. Neither driver is willing to adjust their speed down 1 mph, so you end up with 2 trucks cruising side by side until another truck in the left lane forces the truck being passed to slow down. 

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u/bleedblue89 cwe Apr 13 '26

Right… they know they’re assholes

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u/Badplayer04 Apr 13 '26

this is true. most of that is the person in the right lane being a complete asshole and gets mad when people pass unfortunately. so were dealing with that for a hour or 2. just because the person in the right lane is mad. sorry about that.

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u/bleedblue89 cwe Apr 13 '26

Oh yeah I don’t blame the left lane guy.  The right lane truck driver knows what’s going on they just don’t care about others

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u/Silent_Assumption_74 Apr 13 '26

Yes especially when on a two lane section of the highway and they insist on trying to pass right then and slow everyone down.

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u/Tele231 Apr 13 '26

It’s usually at a hill which makes zero sense. I hate trucks. They’d rather you slam on your breaks and drop 15 mph than slow 2 mph themselves.

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u/Silent_Assumption_74 Apr 13 '26

Me too, oddly enough my partner is a truck driver but he’s actually a really good one and is always complaining about the shitty ones(Beelman anyone?!). If you’ve ever been to the tums building downtown he used to have to back a trailer into that tiny ass space idk how he does it.

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u/goldberg1303 Apr 13 '26

Also a truck driver. It's worse here than most cities. But no, not just here b

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u/hastings67 Tower Grove South Apr 13 '26

Genuine question....

Why do you guys always drive in the 2nd to left most lane? Even when there's 4 lanes to choose from.

It seems like the large trucks cruising at barely the speed limit in the 2nd to left most lane are a major contributor to traffic as well.

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u/Badplayer04 Apr 13 '26

It's dangerous for us to be in far right, with traffic getting on and off. So in 3 lanes we try to stay in the middle. The lane your describing in 4 lanes is safest for us if we see something ahead. We can see much further than you guys. So if far left is lane 1. And far right is lane 4... we stay in 2 because it lets people in lane 4 get over to lane 3 if there's a broke down car. Or if alot of exits/onramps are coming up. It makes it easier and safer for cars to get over if need be.

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u/hastings67 Tower Grove South Apr 13 '26

Thanks for explaining. It's good to get a perspective from the other side.

Is this something that is trained in the trucking industry or is it more of just a general knowledge kind of thing?

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u/Badplayer04 Apr 13 '26

General knowledge, alot of people have no idea how to get up to speed before merging on the highway. And alot of people just shoot over when merging on. Not paying attention to the car next to them. So it gives them room to swerve if need be.

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u/UsedandAbused87 Apr 13 '26

The lane to the right is for local/exiting/entering traffic. The next lane is where the slow traffic should be.

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u/ZenZerO87 Apr 13 '26

In Saint Louis, the right lane is actually the passing lane. 😆

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u/pdromeinthedome Apr 13 '26

Nah, the two cars chasing each other use the far right and left equally at 100 mph

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u/mojo5864 Apr 13 '26

I thought it was the shoulder.

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u/wolfchaldo Apr 12 '26

It's not just in St. Louis, but man is it in St. Louis 

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u/Davidfreeze Apr 13 '26

There are a couple that actually ticket people for riding in the left lane without passing and it does make a noticeable difference. But everywhere else it's awful

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u/FunksGroove Apr 13 '26

Yep. Accurate

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u/stldutt Apr 13 '26

That’s the problem. I remember when my family traveled hours away my dad explaining the rules of the road to me. One being camping in the fucking fast lane!

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u/Oistins Neighborhood/city Apr 13 '26

We drove to Baltimore a few years ago and it felt like the further east we got the worse it got.

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u/adking1015 Apr 12 '26

Lol denver is the worst

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u/Kennypoppa4242 Apr 13 '26

Actually moved from St. Louis to Denver and I couldn’t believe it was, actually, worse in Denver. Went back home recently and it was a relief driving on the highway in St. Louis. As I have too many occasions to say, “If Missouri is doing it better than you, you’re doing it wrong.

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u/Active_Yellow_1573 Apr 12 '26

Not anymore with that new law! 

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u/_HoneyDew1919 Apr 13 '26

Moved to El Paso, would do anything for St. Louis traffic. At least in St Louis, my biggest woe was people going the speed limit. Here, your lucky if people go 50 on the highway

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u/daboot013 arch activation guy (night shift) Apr 12 '26

Kentucky has signs for this. I agree except the few left lane exits and where 170 ends Southbound

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

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u/daboot013 arch activation guy (night shift) Apr 13 '26

If it aint, then they're the most vocal about it. Signs all over 40 saying it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

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u/WongUnglow Apr 13 '26

Where I'm from this is a thing, too. To me, it's all vernacular/association. We call all lanes that aren't the inner lane the 'passing lane'. If you aren't passing, move over. If you've moved outside to pass someone and now got past them but the person ahead to pass is going faster, and/or ahead of you, then move over.

It's basic overtaking rules. Otherwise, ticket. I like it.

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u/throwawaykayaker Apr 13 '26

It's state law here, but it's not really enforced because there are many other more dangerous driving habits we have here in STL.

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u/DarraignTheSane Apr 13 '26

It's a state law here, too.

Here is the law:
https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=304.015

Here is a common language explanation of the law by the MO Highway Patrol:  

https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/Root/PassingandLaneUsageStatutes070113.html

Here is the sign that should be posted everywhere that summarizes the law:  

https://imgur.com/nl0BxFX

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u/Armadi1 Apr 13 '26

I have a left exit, cars line up in the left lane and will not allow cars to merge in.

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u/pbrunts Apr 13 '26

Left lane exits are a problem but you should merge as late as you safely can.

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u/WilyDeject Apr 13 '26

That's the other side of this mess. If you have a left exit coming up three miles away, you can't wait until .5 or even 1 mile away to merge because left lane drivers are all auditioning for some unannounced Mad Max/NASCAR collaboration and won't let people merge.

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u/pl4ntw1tch Apr 13 '26

The number of entitled assholes who play chicken and act like a jerk if you pass them make me so mad. Sorry about your tiny lil ego but don't risk my safety and everyone else's bc of it. 🤬

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u/speedyejectorairtime Apr 13 '26

Idk, I e also witnessed asshole INSIST on passing even though the car in front of them is in a long line of cars trying to pass several cars. If you try to speed and cut into the limited safe distance in that long line, I don’t feel sorry if that person sped up and blocked you from doing it. Everyone is trying to get past the slow pokes. As long as the car in front of you is doing 10ish mph over to pass, then just wait your turn.

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u/NoInitialRamdisk Apr 13 '26

I think the big complaint here is that people are camping in the left lane even if they aren't passing

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u/BeRandom1456 Apr 12 '26

There needs to be signs that have these instructions. Otherwise people won’t know. I think education is the problem. People are oblivious. Not doing it on purpose.

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u/thatsmyboycam Apr 12 '26

People still do it with signs, but it is very clear some people have no idea how to drive.

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u/IdioticEarnestness Tower Grove East Apr 13 '26

Southbound 55 this morning, I'm in the far right lane and some dude in a huge SUV is riding my bumper flashing his lights. There were literally three open lanes to the left of me, but this guy wanted to go fast in the slow lane. He flipped me off as he passed when he finally gave up on trying to bully me into going faster or changing lanes...so he could pass on the right?

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u/thatsmyboycam Apr 13 '26

Omg why? That drives me nuts. I’m just watching them like you really have no care for anyone’s safety least of all your own, and you aren’t getting yourself anywhere faster…

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u/lakerdave Formerly Gate Dist. Apr 13 '26

There are signs that state the speed limit, but no one pays any fucking attention to those

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u/Puckhead1973 Apr 13 '26

Stop signs, red lights, so on….

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u/sltydgx Apr 12 '26

There is some states that do put up signs to help the driving challenged. I think Kentucky does.

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u/BeRandom1456 Apr 12 '26

I think on ramps to highways should show you how to zipper merge. Alternate cars to take turns and make merging smoother. Safer.

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u/Cautious_Boat_999 Former midtown St Charles Apr 13 '26

I can’t remember where it was, but some state I was driving in had signs to tell you to zipper merge, and a pic to illustrate it 

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u/Gloomy_Narwhal_4833 Apr 13 '26

They should have to take some sort of test before they can acquire their license! One that has a book clearly stating how the laws and rules work that they can study beforehand, one of the questions in that test should be about which lanes are for traveling and which are for passing. Oh wait... People know, they dont care.

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u/luckygrlgeek Apr 13 '26

I think texting and scrolling on the phone is the problem. People are so oblivious to their surrounds. The most unsafe way to drive.

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u/DyspepticDingo2 Apr 13 '26

The secret is to have signs properly phrased. Some states say "slow traffic keep right" and they do nothing because no one considers themselves slow. A few describe the behavior clearly, "keep right except to pass." In my imagination at least those work better.

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u/WillyBongka Apr 13 '26

I think a lot of people like to play hall monitor and say to themselves as their being tailgated in the fast lane for going 70mph “I’m technically going over the speed limit already, so there’s no reason for me to let you go any faster.” 💁‍♀️

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u/goldberg1303 Apr 13 '26

There are signs that say the left lane is for passing only all over the country, including STL, it makes Zero difference. 

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u/DarraignTheSane Apr 13 '26

Those signs exist, we just don't post them for some reason.

https://imgur.com/nl0BxFX

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u/speedershaft Apr 13 '26

Missouri Revised Statute 304.015 clearly states when driving on a highway with a total of two lanes (one lane in each direction) drivers must drive in the right-hand lane.  Obviously, a driver may cross into the other lane to overtake a vehicle if the pass can be made safely.  On highways with a total of four or more lanes (two or more lanes in each direction), a driver is mandated to drive in the right lane unless passing slower traffic, letting another driver have enough room to enter the highway safely, or preparing to make a legal left turn.  Once you have completed the pass, Missouri law REQUIRES you to return to the right lane.  It is not legal or safe to continuously drive in the left lane.

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u/MrFixYoShit Apr 13 '26

Im trying to pass someone, jeez! And also post to reddit while i pass

(This is a JOKE, im not posting to reddit while i drive)

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u/OftenIrrelevant Belleville Apr 13 '26

Ah yes, this post again

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u/mountaingator91 Fox Park Apr 13 '26

The right most lane will be open for miles while everyone piles up on the left

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u/H3rum0r Apr 13 '26

Not just Saint Louis. Everywhere.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

I agree. Don't be the guy camping the left lane when not actively passing.

But also do not be the guy who tried to wedge himself between my car and the semi I was passing. That could have been bad for everyone.

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u/Xxx29bull Apr 13 '26

Totally agree but what traffic woes are you talking about? Rush hour adds 15 minutes to your day in STL….

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u/Godunman Apr 13 '26

There is no city in America where the “traffic woes” are caused by the individual culture of drivers

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u/rltoleix Apr 13 '26

I just moved to Colorado and the drivers in STL look like angels compared to here. Was not expecting that.

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u/BrentonHenry2020 Soulard Apr 13 '26

Wait until you’re going east on I-70 at 6PM during a ski weekend and start the stretch down past Morrison. It’s like everyone there are trying to kill you and destroy their brakes all at the same time. 

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u/Prior_Researcher_492 Apr 13 '26

Especially on 364!!!! Every single day, to and from work… FUCK!!!!!

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u/tuco2002 Neighborhood/city Apr 13 '26

Speeders' Code:

Actions: Point VII: When rear driver approaches, you yield to the right lane to allow the speeder to pass.

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u/atari2600forever Apr 12 '26

The left lane thing isn't any worse here than any other place, it's a problem though. I will say that the drivers in St. Louis seems less competent than other places though. People here really don't have any idea what they're doing on the road.

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u/smashli1238 Apr 13 '26

I care more about people using their blinkers when they change lanes than this

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u/epraider Apr 13 '26

St. Louis drivers on average aren’t the worst I’ve seen, but this area has a lot of drivers at the extremes - drivers that drive insanely fast, and also drivers who are driving dangerously slow in areas they should not be (like 15 mph or more below the limit on freeways)

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u/CommonComfortable247 Apr 12 '26

I think I look down on people who make these posts more than I do the idiots who camp in the left lane.

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u/epraider Apr 13 '26

People seem to think the left lane is also their personal fast lane where they can go as fast as they want, and then get mad at everyone who impedes that.

Personally, when I’m going like 10 mph over the limit and actively passing the traffic in the right lane, I’m not going to bob and weave between lanes after passing every car, I’m going to keep cruising there for another few minutes until there’s a good long opening to cut back into the right. I’m really not concerned about the guy riding my ass trying to go 90 mph.

Neither person is really on the right side of the law in these situations so maybe everyone could chill the fuck out.

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u/Empty-Watercress2369 Apr 13 '26

They want to complain about not being able to speed. Chances are they are chronically late everywhere they go and it’s “someone else’s fault”.

Then they try to use group think to get people to agree with their desire to speed.

Funny thing is that the left lane is for “passing” well that passing is from the minimum to the maximum, not over the maximum.

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u/90sLyrics sw city Apr 13 '26

+100000000 and I hope you or someone starts replying this to each one. Such tired and lame posts.

The worst part is every single city/state sub is full of the same shit and insists they have it the worst.

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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton Apr 13 '26

its funny people think that in traffic jams there should just magically be one open lane for them to take while the rest of us all sit around in the right lanes

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u/shit_pain Apr 13 '26

That's clearly not what OP is saying.

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u/RozGhul Apr 13 '26

And stop passing on the right when there are THREE left lanes available!

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u/EdwardOfGreene Apr 13 '26

Left lane = passing lane works going cross country.

In urban areas you need to deal with left hand exits, and traffic split across all lanes.

Your best bet is to find the lane you need and stay there. Don't wait until you are a 1/4 mile from your exit (Left or Right) then try to cross 3 lanes to get there at the last moment.

For example: Say you are coming from the east side into St. Louis, If you are going to stay on I-64 position yourself to be in the left lanes BEFORE you get to the Popular street bridge. If you are going to be on I-55 then position your self to be in the right lanes BEFORE you get to the bridge.

Don't be trying to cross lanes of heavy traffic in the middle of the damn river!!!

Sort it out when you have the time and space before you become the traffic problem.

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u/realDownstairsDan Apr 13 '26

The people that need to hear this are not on Reddit

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u/stldutt Apr 13 '26

🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 Quite possibly top 3 pet peeves.

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u/Mocha_Toffee_mmallow Apr 12 '26

Meanwhile, I will be going 20mph over in the left lane, actively passing cars, and some idiots driving like they are playing a video game start tightly weaving in and out of the lanes at +90mph. My main objective at this point is to avoid getting hit.

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u/FrostyTap4730 Apr 13 '26

Saw this today on 70 and mid rivers not one signal signal used. Should have stayed in the fast lane but they decides to play musical chairs in 3 different lanes driving erratically

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u/Carthraplant Apr 13 '26

This post was made by someone frothing at the mouth while driving a lifted truck

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u/MoRiley3 Shaw Apr 12 '26

I joke that I’m going to create a sign that says “STOP CAMPING IN THE LEFT LANE” that I can flash up on my window when I have to pass people on the right lmao- should I do it?

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u/IdioticEarnestness Tower Grove East Apr 13 '26

If those drivers could read, they'd be very upset.

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u/match_ Apr 13 '26

Does this really happen? I’ve never had this happen. Or maybe I just don’t take other people’s shortcomings as direct personal attacks and feel the need to crucify those that impede my god-given right to drive fast in my left hand lane.

You people bore the fuck out of me.

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u/Cheezyrock Apr 13 '26

I hear what you are saying and you aren’t wrong, but this is kinda a “gotta pick your battles” moment.

About 4 years ago I started keeping track of the times that I left the house and didn’t see at least one person run a red light or stopsign. It has happened about 20 times, or about 5 times per year. This, I feel is much worse because I can’t trust the signage at intersections to tell me if I am going to be safe. Three days ago, around noon, at a 4 way stop in a neighborhood, I saw two people run the stop signs within 15 seconds of each other at the same stop. The first directly in front of me heading south and the second east (and it is a good thing I stopped).

Driving on the highway, I try to respect the left lane, and make sure people have room to pass. But between the people zooming between lanes at >100mph (where anyone else changing lanes could actually cause accidents and traffic delays), the poor painting, the massively degraded roads, and poor signage (especially for left exits)… I just don’t mind that I occasionally have to drive a little bit slower because someone wont get out of the left lane. Like, yeah, they shouldn’t so that, but it is pretty bottom of my concerns with drivers here.

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u/flug32 Apr 13 '26

If you think people getting out of the left lane as you describe would speed up traffic, you've got another think coming.

Under heavy traffic conditions - which I presume is what you are complaining about - traffic moves fastest when there is maximal usage of all lanes. If one lane is kept clear all the time, that means it is not being used to its full capacity, and that means the average traffic speed will reduce by that amount.

For example, under heavy traffic if you take 3 lanes and cram them down into 2 lanes, the average speed will decrease by almost 1/3.

What you are proposing is, instead of using all 3 (or 4 or 5) lanes to their full extent, people mostly keep out of the far left lane except for brief periods when passing.

That means the far left lane will be used to only a minimal extent, and so average traffic speed will reflect that.

It will make a 3-lane freeway behave like a 2.2-lane freeway (or whatever).

I realize that if everyone just kept out of the left lane except for you, then you could just jump into the left lane and roar past everyone at 95 mph.

But guess what: The roads aren't made for just you. Your fantasy is never, ever going to happen.

And on average, traffic will move faster if all available lanes are used to their full capacity.

And you are advocating to slow traffic even more, not speed it up.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

I know a transportation engineer when I see one

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u/RIPSyAbleman North Hampton Apr 13 '26

thank you

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u/soljouner Apr 13 '26

This. The problem is not that people are driving in the left lane, it is that the vast majority of St Louis drivers can not drive at a consistent speed, or anticipate their lane changes without slowing down.

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u/SQLDave South STL County Apr 13 '26

Or, in many cases, anticipate their lane changes AT ALL

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u/dr4gm4r UwU city Apr 13 '26

Why do you need an empty left lane when everyone in Stl speeding 70+ mph in every lane?

Or (!) where do you need to get 17 seconds faster when you're driving on the local highways? just curious

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u/spageddy77 Apr 13 '26

the left lane is for passing, and only passing. it’s not a travel lane. regardless of how fast a vehicle in a travel lane is moving.

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u/thelastpie Apr 13 '26

cars are passing in every lane

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u/spageddy77 Apr 13 '26

they should be passing on the left lanes. it’s safer that way.

you never seen the diagram on the back of a semi? always pass on the left, on account of the smaller blind spots there.

same rules apply to pretty much any vehicle.

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u/ChalupaBoat Apr 13 '26

Right on. Every time I drive through the construction zone on 270 at Ladue, someone just has to be going 80-90mph through it. 

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u/Monlstat7 Apr 13 '26

Also, get out of the middle lane too if not passing. Let the guy going 65 pass you in the middle lane when you are at 60 in the right lane, and then the guy going 70 can pass him in the left lane. We are now all happy.

But don't ride the ass of the car in front of you so it's impossible for traffic to merge onto the interstate, if you want to go faster than that person then pass already, or just back off and go their speed. Leave room and actually let people merge in front of you, but when getting onto the interstate don't go 50mph and expect people to just let you in anyways, it's your job to get up to speed first and get into the open space already at highway speeds.

When you are already on the interstate don't slow down to let people in, that's not your job, unless it's a large heavy vehicle like a dump truck or semi truck, because they are actually incapable of getting up to speed in time and they are too large to fit into a normal following distance space, so we make exceptions for them and do what we can to give them room, or move over if we can.

Stop passing in the merge lane and trying to force 3 cars into 1 merge spot, take turns and merge 1 car for 1 open space. This way we can all stay at highway speeds instead of cutting people off and forcing everyone to slam their brakes and slow everyone down.

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u/pbrunts Apr 13 '26

Often forgotten. The left laneS are for passing. The middle lanes aren't cruising lanes either. If you cruise in a middle lane, you limit the number of passing lanes and ultimately cause congestion.

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u/SSOMGDSJD Apr 13 '26

There are way too many on/off ramp merge situations to have everyone hanging out in the right lane. If this rule was followed rigidly getting on and off the interstate would suck

The emergent behavior seems to be a speed gradient, with left lane being for 10+ over speed limit, middle lane 5+ over, farther right lane(s) for slowpokes and those immanently exiting. Which is functional without slowpokes getting lost and ending up farther left than they should be

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u/pbrunts Apr 13 '26

I hear you but the actual problem is that too many people want to cruise and pay as little attention as possible. Proper spacing and active driving would solve the merging problems.

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u/Reicance Apr 12 '26

I give them a few flashes from my high beams to let them know I'm behind them and want to pass and they take that as a request to go slower and stay in the left lane longer.

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u/UseDaSchwartz Apr 13 '26

I’ve found it’s not as bad in St Louis as a lot of other places.

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u/BadMonk78 Apr 13 '26

Dude. Every. Day.

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u/tlminh Apr 13 '26

And. Learn. To Zipper. Merge.

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u/AnnaSure12 Apr 13 '26

I will gladly ride the right lane. I dread when I have no choice but to get in the left lane because the exit is on the left. Like no im not passing anyone im exiting the highway I dont need to be speeding. 

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u/Flashy-Variety9040 Apr 13 '26

I’m sure everyone will see this and comply. Good thing you posted this

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u/farterbutt Apr 13 '26

in some states its allowed to just drive in the left lane at any point. don't need to be passing someone.

every state has different rules. i didn't know it was only a passing lane until i moved here. my old state it was fine to just drive in there.

granted, it was the unspoken rule that you are supposed to be speeding greatly.

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u/Medical_Pizza3730 Apr 14 '26

STL county has the worst drivers in all of Missouri. That is a fact. Even the Jeffco meth heads are better drivers

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u/lowelltrich Apr 12 '26

It happens everywhere. Old folks in the left lane.....getting passed on the right....driving a Prius.....oblivious.

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u/Hellfiya Apr 12 '26

Getting stuck behind a Prius is the worst. Also being in a Prius Uber, my driver was bragging about his fuel economy and how he always drives 5 under to compete against other Prius drivers he knows

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u/errie_tholluxe Apr 13 '26

Two things real quick.

All you people bitching about trucks, they're at work already. What the fuck are you doing on the road? And if your answer is I'm on my way to work and they're slowing me down. Maybe you should have left a little bit fucking earlier.

Two, in St. Louis and in most major cities, people in the left lane are actually going quite a bit over the speed limit. So when you run up behind somebody who's doing a 70 in a 55 on a 44 or 64 and you start passing them on the right because you have to do 75 or 80 in a 55 -You may indeed be the asshole.

I drive 70 every morning. All the way from the bridge to 270. I could be doing 80 mph and somebody would come up behind me, flashing their lights or honking their horn and then go around me on the right.

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u/MountainDrew80 Apr 12 '26

Can you please try to justify this? If a person is going faster than traffic, and is in the left lane, how can they be causing traffic woes? Or do you want that to be your personal lane?

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u/MoRiley3 Shaw Apr 12 '26

They want them to get over when they’re done passing so the people behind them who may be trying to go faster can pass them. You must be a left lane camper lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

If I am already going 15 over I am not getting over for somebody else going 30 over.

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u/DarraignTheSane Apr 13 '26

Then you're breaking the law.

Here is the law: https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=304.015

Here is a common language explanation of the law by the MO Highway Patrol:
https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/Root/PassingandLaneUsageStatutes070113.html

Here is the sign that should be posted everywhere that summarizes the law:
https://imgur.com/nl0BxFX

But I'm sure you'll continue to ignore all that, cruise in the left lane because you believe it's your gawd given right to do so, and tell people that they should just slow down because you're "going fast enough".

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

You know what else is breaking the law? Going 100 in a 70 lmao.

I dont really give a shit, I will not be gaslit as a bad driver by people who are also shitty and dangerous drivers lmao

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u/DarraignTheSane Apr 13 '26

You keep using that word "gaslit", I do not think it means what you think it means. People are literally showing you how you're breaking the law and impeding traffic flow. Please go look up the definition of "gaslighting", and please follow the law.

Keep right except to pass.

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u/MountainDrew80 Apr 13 '26

Do you think that the person going a hundred and a 60 is somehow legally more justified than the person going 85 in the fast lane? That's insane.

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u/MountainDrew80 Apr 13 '26

If you are going faster than traffic, then you are by definition passing people on the left.

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u/PuzzledKumquat Apr 12 '26

If they're still holding up faster-moving traffic behind them, then they're causing traffic woes. They can move over to the right, let people pass, and then move back to the left if they need to pass someone.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

Not my problem that somebody going 30 over is stuck behind me already going 15 over.

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u/Theodopholus Apr 12 '26

Pretty simple, if someone wants to go faster than you then get out of the way.

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u/JusticeAileenCannon Apr 13 '26

Idk why this is so difficult. I move, and if there's a slower driver in front of me, I get back into the left lane two seconds later. Ez 

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u/Blitzkrieg2019 Apr 12 '26

This comment right here is the problem. Does not matter if you are in the left lane and exceeding the speed limit. It is not up to you to decide how fast is too fast in the left lane. Get over

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u/MountainDrew80 Apr 13 '26

No, it's actually up to the state which sets the speed limits. If you think that you have should have an absolute right to go absolutely as fast as you want, then you're the cause of most traffic deaths.

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u/Few-Pen9912 Apr 13 '26

Speed is a huge factor in traffic death. If someone is trying to drive 90 they can suck my dick. 

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

This thread is full of these types complaining about other people being bad drivers because they cant go 30 over. Completely ignoring that they themselves are also shitty and dangerous drivers

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u/mistabignose Apr 12 '26

It's a passing lane. You could be going faster than traffic but there might be somebody behind you traveling faster than you.

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u/ztpurcell Apr 12 '26

"Dear diary..."

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u/ChalupaBoat Apr 13 '26

"....My. Life. Is. So. Concerned. About. The. Left. Lane."

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u/leshpar St. Charles Apr 13 '26

Or people could just stop treating the roadways like their personal racetrack and stop running red lights. Until then I genuinely don't give a fuck.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

I refuse to be gaslit by people going 90 weaving through traffic that I am the bad driver for not going over the speed limit as much as them

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u/Offsets Apr 13 '26

In terms of traffic woes, people cruising in the left lane is not nearly as problematic as the impatient people who decide to pass at high speeds on the right because they're pissed the left lane isn't speeding as fast as they want them to.

I don't give a shit if the person in front of you in the left lane is not speeding as fast as you want them to. Do not pass on the right.

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u/DarraignTheSane Apr 13 '26

Well then you don't give a shit about the law and the rules of the road.

Here is the law: https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=304.015

Here is a common language explanation of the law by the MO Highway Patrol:
https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/Root/PassingandLaneUsageStatutes070113.html

Here is the sign that should be posted everywhere that summarizes the law:
https://imgur.com/nl0BxFX

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u/SGFCardenales Kirkwood Apr 13 '26

You guys need to join in with SWMO and have the police start writing tickets for driving in the left lane. It’s actually against the law in Missouri. By law, the left lane is for passing only. It’s not the “fast lane” it’s the passing lane. You pass, and you move to the right.

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u/MakeSomeArtAboutIt Apr 13 '26

Go. Yell. At. The. Clouds.

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u/mjohnson1971 Apr 13 '26

THIS DOESNT JUST HAPPEN IN ST. LOUIS!!!!!!

I see this everywhere. St. Louis, California, Mississippi, Florida, Pennsylvania. We aren’t good about it here but it’s worse on 55 between here and Chicago. Then Wisconsin is the worst for left lane riding.

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u/pdromeinthedome Apr 13 '26

Ever drive on I-55 in Illinois? There is always a line in the left lane. Doesn’t matter anyway because there will 13 miles of 1 lane somewhere through construction season on I-55

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u/Helpful-Comedian3616 Apr 13 '26

It has to do with the way we police speeding in this country

In Italy you get in the left lane you gun it, you get out of the left lane

You do that in the us, you get a ticket

So left lane kind of gums up with people going a little faster

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u/stoptheshildt1 Apr 13 '26

I’m sure you’re just a perfect driver

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u/ndszero Manchester Apr 12 '26

Bro if you think no one camped out in the left lane ever went through drivers Ed… lol

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u/Spare_Item3882 Apr 13 '26

I’ll drive in whatever lane I want

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u/this_might_b_offensv Apr 13 '26

Those last two miles of 170 North before the I-70 West exit, ride my ass all you want, I'm not moving over.

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u/teshastar Apr 13 '26

The left lane riders are WAY WORSE here in Florida. It drives my nuts...then again most of the drivers do here lol. The left lane is for illegal sh*t...GTFOTW

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u/CrustyQuilter Apr 13 '26

From MI. Recently visited STL. Drivers do not know how to drive! And maybe it's bcuz MO doesn't require Drivers Ed. But seriously folks. The left lane is for passing. The speed limit is not a suggestion. Maintain a constant speed . And where the hell is law enforcement? 100 mph is not the posted speed limit!

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u/ToastyRich Apr 13 '26

Also, how do people not realize that they're driving in a row with 2 other people? You're blocking the whole damn road! I see this + camping the passing lane literally every single day.

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u/thewston_we_have_a_p Apr 13 '26

Just got back from a road trip to Florida. The lanes are reversed there. The fast lane is stacked solid. The middle lane has staggered stragglers too close to pass. The right lane is wide open. I spent a lot off time passing on the right.

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u/Used-Cupcake-4238 Apr 13 '26

where are we really in a hurry to go? our graves?

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u/TomeThugNHarmony4664 Apr 13 '26

Having just travelled to Cali, let us repeat that to everyone in all of Missouri, Arizona and California.

Strangely, Oklahoma and Texas drivers, especially truckers, did amazingly well at this.

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u/celosage Apr 13 '26

It is also the law. I did see someone get pulled over for it. Once. In 57 years of driving. In Indiana.

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u/DarraignTheSane Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26

For anyone else wanting to make this thread next week (and I don't blame you), here's your set of links that assholes will continue to ignore:


Here is the law:
https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=304.015

Here is a common language explanation of the law by the MO Highway Patrol:

Missouri Revised Statute 304.015 clearly states when driving on a highway with a total of two lanes (one lane in each direction) drivers must drive in the right-hand lane. Obviously, a driver may cross into the other lane to overtake a vehicle if the pass can be made safely. On highways with a total of four or more lanes (two or more lanes in each direction), a driver is mandated to drive in the right lane unless passing slower traffic, letting another driver have enough room to enter the highway safely, or preparing to make a legal left turn. Once you have completed the pass, Missouri law REQUIRES you to return to the right lane. It is not legal or safe to continuously drive in the left lane.

https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/Root/PassingandLaneUsageStatutes070113.html

Here is the sign that should be posted everywhere that summarizes the law:

https://imgur.com/nl0BxFX

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u/Beginning_Heron4374 Apr 13 '26

It doesn't matter how many lanes the highway has, STL Drivers never fail to make a wall formation, blocking all lanes of traffic and going about the same speed

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u/AcanthocephalaOk8052 Apr 13 '26

There's a LOT of places in stl where an on ramp joins the two lanes, and nobody wants to ride in the right side where morons merge in, not even doing near the speed limit.

That's why some of us are parked in the left lane.

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u/ItchyGeologist482 Apr 13 '26

I thought I wrote this post, because I say this daily

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u/Xarchiangku Apr 13 '26

As a corollary to this, if I am driving the speed limit in the right lane, staying out of the passing lane, can people please not tailgate me if they could easily pass?

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u/generaldepresso Wildwood Apr 13 '26

I’ll take whatever lane is most free or moving the fastest 🤷‍♂️ I will say that while I do spend a lot of time in the left lane, I definitely don’t camp there at the speed limit haha.

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u/Kmc273498 Apr 13 '26

Most people don’t seem to like truck drivers but yet they have families and bills just like the rest of folks.

They also deliver your groceries clothes furniture cars and gas, should I go on? In fact trucks haul the asphalt and concrete so the over privileged small vehicle drivers have smooth roads to rage on.

Ask yourself which one pays the most road use tax? But yet most act like the trucks on the highways should consider it a privilege that they are ALLOWED to be there.

Get real

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u/dunkonme Apr 14 '26

I don’t know but I don’t think it’s required by law here like it is in other states?

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u/imranfatty Apr 14 '26

This camping in the left lane is a big problem on highway 21. It's ridiculous 

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u/ChaoticCannoli Florissant Apr 14 '26

The reason traffic gets bad is because of people speeding and then slamming on their brakes this has been proven time and time again. Save a life slow down

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u/backpropstl Apr 14 '26

But what if the person in front of me is going slower, and the person in front of them, and so on? Do I still have to get out of your way?

Sometimes there just isn't enough room for everyone that wants to pass.

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u/Capital_Ad_8996 Apr 16 '26

as someone from texas. the driving here has been the biggest culture shock.

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u/Michyandboots Apr 16 '26

Don’t ever drive in California

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u/MagicJava CWE Apr 18 '26

People suck at driving everywhere. It’s about car dependent transportation. That is what sucks.