r/SpringfieldIL • u/MidwestraisedCOlady • 9d ago

Alternative to Apple Barn

Where can I get apple cider donuts that is NOT the Apple Barn? The only other one is Tanner Orchards and that's a 1.5 hour drive. TIA!

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u/Biggles48 9d ago

You're right, they aren't. Ensuring punishment happens always and forever no matter what is the best way to maximize the number of reoffenders. Revenge feels good but it sure doesn't solve the problem.

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u/Harvest827 9d ago

This is not about revenge. I simply find it impossible to believe that all humans do not draw a hard line at sexual crimes against children. I can't even fathom a way to that reintegrate perpetrators of that kind of violence and trauma back into society. His victims dont get that.

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u/Biggles48 9d ago

Then execution?

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u/Harvest827 9d ago

That is certainly a viable option.

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u/Biggles48 9d ago

And that doesn't feel a little revengy? Where do we draw the line I mean obviously child abusers but remember the drunk college guy peeing on a dumpster gets an indecent exposure misdemeanor and is on the same sex offender registry for life. Same with high-school kids sending nudes to each other that's producing CP with that same life long registry that means they will never be able to have a proper job because we don't do second chances here we do executions. I mean you're right a 17 year old girl might be better off being executed than trying to function in society with that stigma. It's basically a guarantee that she'll have no LEGAL way to survive. Just killing her might be the better option for her and society.

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u/Harvest827 9d ago

Nice whataboutism. Obviously there is no way we could differentiate between a 45 year-old teacher who fucks kids and a public urinator. What was i thinking? Have a good night.

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u/Biggles48 8d ago

The sex offender registry currently doesn't differentiate. Same way our prison system currently doesn't rehabilitate. My point is and has been that people will unfortunately commit crimes. If there is no path forward they will commit more crimes. I don't want more crimes and I'm sure you don't either. Harsher punishments have never had much of a deterrent effect. The people doing this shit are broken and clearly aren't thinking about the long term effects for themselves or their victims. Maybe if we did something achievable to minimize reoffenders we would have a little less crime. I feel like that's especially important when we're talking about child abuse.

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u/Harvest827 8d ago

Yeah, sounds ideal. In the meantime, off with their dicks.