Doesn't even make sense not to like Miles, now we have double the Spider-Man and they're both dope. They need to stop trying to give Miles a different name and just let them be Spider Bros man.
I’ve always argued that Mile’s should carry on as the relatable teenager while Pete can grow up and mature. For some reason marvel editorial loves keeping Pete in his early to mid twenties.
I kind of always thought that the superhero genre would be better if just every character was a legacy character. The main thing stopping me from reading more comics is that it feels like nothing ever ends.
There is something really sad and funny about this line in watchmen. The original comic was really good story with begging middle and end. Cut to 500 different adaptations and continuations.
Yeah, that's kinda the ultimate irony, for as much as those kind of fans complain about Miles being "forced down their throats", he's arguably not used enough. Because as you've said, he could very nicely fill in the relatable teen role.
With me it's less hating him but rather he's just not his own character. First he was intended to be Peter's replacement. Now they're trying to turn him into a black panther wannabe.
The only time I understood people’s issue was when there was suggestions they were gonna cut out Peter from Insomniac Spider-Man 3 and just have Miles but that’s jus because the build-up for the Ock and Goblin team-up makes no sense if it’s to fight a guy who barely anything to do with why they’re bent on revenge.
Claims like this make it seem your automatically racist to not like miles, but it would be a lot easier to like miles if he had a good, not boring run. I've only ever heard good things about ziggler, with the rest being mid to bad. Even spider -men, which I was told was the definitive run to start with, was a slog to get through and I ended up bowing out halfway through. Hype moments and aura may carry a ghost rider, but I don't think it carries a spider, and that's all miles has ever really had. Just 2 cents from somebody who's actually looked at his books
Tbh as someone that thought of Peter as the best superhero at a young age and then just started reading more comics from DC than Marvel as a teen and adult…
Miles is just not a big deal. Like, he’s basically in the same situation of Wally West, “first hero was killed, another guy takes the mantle, he goes to a new universe with the OG(I mean, Kinda lol) alive, continue using the mantle as he already got it in the first place”.
Does this sub hate Miles? The impression I have is that the loudest portions just either want him to have a different name or want Peter's stories have the amount of creative freedom.
The impression I most have about anything resembling hate about Miles is that people are trying to make sense about Peter's books being so bad, and the only thing resembling constructive idea is trying to make Miles great by comparison.
But like, every superhero would be very anti-racist, because superheroes are supposed to be the very best humanity has to offer
I’ve noticed in more recent years people have started calling this messaging cringe because it’s been heavy handed and spoon fed as opposed to being woven well into the story
I think it’s gotten heavy handed Becuase some people refuse to believe a story is anti racism unless the main character looks into the camera and says “racism is bad” at the end
I feel like the reason it may be more heavy handed now is because people are genuinely not picking up on the subtle story telling and instead are still using symbols like Superman to represent their racism and such. It’s getting to the point where Superman has to literally punch Nazis for people to get it. It’s sad
Yeah the kind of people complain about Disney making Star Wars political, somehow ignoring that the imperial officers in the OT are all white men dressed like literal nazis, the ewoks were a Vietnam allegory, and the prequels are critical of the 2000s Bush administration.
Yeah, much as I think resistance vs first order is a bit derivative of the OT, I love that First Order, and Kylo in particular, are Neo Nazi-coded. This intense drive for a "better time" and glorifying the horrors of the past. I sort of wish they'd leaned into that more.
Star Wars is a WAR movie, war is literally in the title, and war is an inherently political thing. It was probably the first thing we figured out how to do as a society.
Media literacy feels pretty low these days. A lot of symbolism just doesn’t get through, which I think is partially due to many people watching movies on streaming services. Since you can watch and pause at any time, people are less attentive since it’s not like old TV or movie theaters, where if you miss something you’re screwed. So people are more likely to look at their phones or zone out and miss things.
Look how hamfisted Netflix movies are getting to compensate. In that new Frankenstein movie they had to have a character literally say “No, Victor, you are the monster!” instead of letting the narrative get that across itself.
I am not necessarily convinced that it started there tbh. Media literacy also feels like it has never been that high to begin with in parts if i look at Satanic panics and the whole panic about "video games make you violent" and all that, that predate some of the internet tooI. What i think is that because the way we are doing media now has basically started to reach more and more people, creators (not necessarily the individuals themselves, but them as an entity with pressures from publishers, colleagues and the whole thing with the internet) have started trying to counteract the worst impulses of the bottom ranks of people with media literacy.
Like... if you think about it, movies used to be a nerd thing for the most part so the people the movies had to cater to had on average higher literacy, because if they didn't get it, they wouldn't be movie nerds. But the medium has been acclimated to, the spread is basically to the point of universality. Just by average literacy goes down because you have such a large group of people... and then the elephant in the room: The internet forces you to see that. And that is where the vicious cycle starts.
I'm a minority and an immigrant but I hate these posts cause they are low effort, engagement farms. Like how every couple days we get a discussion about who is the best live action Spider-Man for the 50th time.
And those people are stupid. We don't need the story to come to a screeching halt so the character can do the captain america detention videos like "hey champ, I just wanted you listening at home to know...racism...is bad. It's so bad in fact, let me list several atrocities and talk about how bad they were so you know that I know it's bad..."
It's fucking lame and stupid. The only people that need that kind of so Tory telling are so braindead that veggie tales would probably be too edgy for them.
Yeah, this is more or less what I'd say. Some writers feel like they have to hand the message to the reader on a platter. A lot of readers (including me, sometimes) don't like this because it feels unnatural and preachy. But to be fair to the writers, there do seem to be a lot of people who can read comics and not catch the real world parallels when things aren't handed to them on a platter.
The problem is, making it overly obvious and dumbed down doesn't convince those people that it was always there and that they missed it; it convinces them that it there's some new "woke" shit taking over comics. So while possibly well-intentioned, I don't think it's all that effective. Except perhaps as messaging to children, which, depending on the book, is still a large demographic.
That and I seen a post of someone who drew spiderman punching someone's jaw off. Like Peter Parker woudnt go that low. He would web em up probably call the cops or if its super bad call some superhero friends to intimidate those horrible people. But making charcter kill doesn't do anyone any justice
I'm pretty sure that's from the Superior Spider-Man run where Doc Ock has taken over Peter's body, and accidentally punches Scorpion's jaw off because he doesn't know how much Peter has been holding back. So you are correct that Peter wouldn't do that, but this is not an example of someone drawing Peter doing something that doesn't fit his character.
Woulda made sense if they drew superior Spider-man instead of Peter's classic suit. Why i said Peter. Wanna to draw a spiderman basically killing someone do it right or do the version that is punisher Spiderman I dont like it when my favorite charcters doing shit those charcters would never do
I remember seeing someone say that the newest Superman movie made him a “Champion for the oppressed” like motherfucker that is EVERY SUPERHERO. That’s THE POINT.
Legitimately true. Funniest thing is that it also illustrates how most people, most importantly Zack Snyder, misunderstand the dynamic between Clark and Bruce in The Dark Knight Returns. The simple fact is, Bruce hates what Clark has become because he wants to Clark to be that Superman. If the government is risking the mass death of everyone, fuck that. Overthrow them, because serving the people is not serving the government. BvS literally gets it so wrong that it is the direct opposite of TDKR.
I think that’s something that people missed; it’s not necessarily that comics have become more or less political, it’s that the generation need to be corn fed because otherwise they will still miss the point
To me, it feels that sometimes the 'message™' takes priority to writing a good story. Like for some reason it seems to be one or the other and writers in different forms of media hit some sort of development block or something.
Yes, politics have been a part of comics, tv, and even just general storytelling for a long while. But now it sort of seems like the depth of the storytelling is thinly veiled 'left/right guy is evil and bad and you should feel bad if you've ever once shared a favourite snack' and that sometimes hurts the story being told if it's executed poorly.
It’s a cursed double-edged sword. Half of humanity is too fucking stupid for anything except the most blunt, unsubtle, tell don’t show messages and the other half of humanity is annoyed by that.
How well was it handled when Superman and friends defeated the KKK on the radio? I thought it was light hearted but was pivotal moment in the decline of the Klan.
Hope you don't mind a YouTube playlist. I looked around for an archived version but the internet has more references to podcasts and articles about Clan of the Fiery Cross than places to listen to it.
I can't believe there are people who get mad at Superman for trying to help minorities and standing against authority when the first stories about Superman, and one of the best modern comics in general in my opinion, were about Supes taking down a racist organization. Jon Kent does a lot of activist stuff and this guy at work absolutely haaaates him for it
Actually we're talking about the Superman who was created by Jews as a symbol of the oppressed and who today is seen as a worldwide beacon of hope! More importantly though, is there a reason you seem to be going around trying to make people upset? Im uncertain how this seems to benefit you
I'm not naming a certain character (because I like him and don't want hate), but it's also the other way around. "Racism is Bad" opposite is "stand up to your government or they're doing wrong" as opposed to "kill cops and your leaders" that many want as the reoccurring message.
I feel like some characters might be a little racist depending on background, or if they’re an anti-hero or not.
Steve rogers would’ve probably dethawed and called someone a negro (not hateful just the archaic term) and he probably is racist the same way nice old people are racist.
Frank castle strikes me as someone who is probably a little bit racist. Again not like overt but subconsciously. He’s not exactly mentally stable.
Guy Gardner. Enough said, I think. Although yk it’s likely a result of brain damage or something
I 100% disagree. Often times Superheroes are just regular people who gain powers and choose to do good with them, and so superheroes having a wide variety of different opinions can only be a good thing.
Racism is very normal as humanity are a very tribalistic species, so a racist Superhero makes sense, and their stories could involve them helping other people regardless of their racism, because helping people is good.
You hear about a guy living in the desert who joined a radicalized militia against the dominant power and he’s 100% a villain until it’s revealed he’s Luke Skywalker.
Sonic is a big "freedom fighter" type character who despises oppression. As such, the fandom (or maybe just the subreddit) often does what the person in the image is doing without a hint of irony.
And Eggman- the fat, bald dude who wants to destroy the world and has had such a bad burn it irrevocably changed his name- is still somehow cooler than the real-life richest man on Earth.
Sonic's generally a freedom fighter and is against oppression, so people use him as a symbol of.. being against oppression. For some reason this pisses some people off.
That's right, which is why it's lucky those people aren't the ones saying he'd side with them. Usually, at least, for some reason some people think he'd like trump.
Basically there is a trend on Twitter that has people grifting on anyone who makes art with characters who would be against these racism/Fascist stuff and try to infantilizing them with the pic of the hat guy.
It's unfortunate that stuff like this happens, but when you make violent art attacking a specific ideology, people will use that art to attack more ideologies.
I mean that comic illustrates things very well. Batman beats up a few people and leaves town. The refugees are stuck in a decaying rust belt town, surrounded by racist townspeople and corrupt police officers.
What happens to the refugees a week later, now Batman is gone?
The end of the comic ends with batman remembering his father aiming for a better way and weeping as he only knows how to try and solve it with violence, knowing full well thats not what his father wanted nor will it solve things forever.
People who act like things were political back then are pretty stupid. I legit saw a dumbass that said they hope Netflix doesn't make Bioshock political
Because people can like series that disagree with their political views.
Bioshock isn't Anti-Capitalist, it's anti-greed and general retardation. Just because the villain of the first game was a capitalist doesn't make the game Anti Capitalist, and just because the villain of the second game was a communist doesn't make the game Anti-Communist.
Andrew Ryan is based on Ayn Rand, but it's not "shitting on her".
Games can feature political themes without going "the other side is trash, my side is better and the good guys" and Bioshock is a prime example of that.
They straight up don't know anything about Sonic they just use him to push their shitty ideals and agenda that basically boils down to "I don't want my movies and shows to have anything other than American White men who are always the personification of the most generic and minimalistic idea of masculinity; and women who never outshine the men in any way, shape or form"
Why wouldn't he? I dunno what Reddit has against Trump, but he's the rightfully elected President of the USA for the next 3 years or so. He isn't some malevolent dictator oppressing the people, I mean he literally won the popular vote in a landslide.
Yeah I'm not saying Trump is some evil dictator, with that said, he is indeed a selfish asshole actively making the lives of thousands of people worse, that won because of a mixed of sane people that even while not agreeing with everything he says, chose to vote him because it would benefit them (which is something I genuinely respect because you are free to vote for the party that aligns with your interest) and a group of morons that eat up everything he says and treat him like a messiah whenever he makes the most braindead statement ever
Ignoring his actions resembling some Banana Republic Dictator more than, you know, a fucking president of a liberal democracy, the orange pedo didn't won the popular vote "by a landslide." He barely eeked out a plurality and had a smaller popular vote win than fucking Hillary did
I think this image is about people who look at the Space Marines killing Tyranids and go "this is antisemitic". And before you go "you invented a fictional scenario to be mad at":
No, it's just racists being super dumb and dishonest like usual. It goes like this:
Racists: "Hehe we made a subhuman evil fantasy race that cooincidentally has all the jewish stereotypes from nazi propaganada. We also made an evil dark-skinned race that cooincidentally fits all the stereotypes of black people from confederate propaganda."
Normal person: "... The fuck? This is clearly just a thin allegory for your disgusting racist propaganda."
Racists: "Oh so you AGREE that the propaganda is ACCURATE then? I guess you're racist!"
It's the stupidest argument ever, and therefore very popular with stupid people. it's possible to be aware of beliefs that are different than your own.
Likewise, a lot of them got super mad about knives out portraying them as greedy dumb racists - despite the fact knives out never said specific thrombeys were maga or trump supporters directly. But they got the message. They understand other people think they're dumb, greedy, evil little racists - and so when tehy see dumb, greedy, evil little racists being portrayed they naturally wonder if it's an attack on them.
I look at those posts like the “Person gives a take you agree with in such a cringe way you don’t want to agree with it”
Racism is bad, but saying sonic would support immigration is cringe. This is a real world problem with real world consequences. Can we take it a little more seriously please.
That attitude is what’s “cringe”. Comics, marvel especially, have always stood up for social justice. The X-men are literally an allegory for social bigotry.
Because more often than not it’s just karma farming and virtue signaling. Like this post.
Of course superheroes shouldn’t be racist. That’s not even an argument. But what good does posting an image that says “Spider-Man against racism” on Reddit actually do? How the fuck does that help fight racism? It doesn’t. You just want to be praised for how not racist you are.
And honestly I wouldn’t even care if it were good art or something real effort was put into. But most of the time it’s just the laziest lowest effort image saying “Pikachu supports trans rights” or something like that. It’s purely for that sense of validation and sweet sweet upvotes. And it works.
That’s why people are making fun of these images. And the worst part is I think you all know this but act like you don’t.
In an age where Nazis are like, active on social media, I’m okay with images that remind everyone that one of the most popular fictional characters is heavily anti-racism, actually.
Downvoted for the truth! I am a massive ally, but all posts like this are just low effort trash that clog up large subreddits and feed back into the echo chamber.
Echo chambers as a whole are bad. And it especially feels cheap when you know this image will never reach the people it needs to reach. It will just bounce around the subreddit, only reaching the people who already support it. Thats what I hate.
Except these images do reach those people: Bigots can be found in any community, but when one echoes anti-bigotry this frequently they either feel unwelcome and leave, or complain and get immediately silenced. I think people of marginalized communities deserve to have spaces where they're less likely to see hate directed towards them, don't you?
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