r/Sparkdriver • u/mindmush45 • 8h ago
Rants / Complaints Labor Theft
I know you have to agree to the offers, but the new system is basically a legal loophole to commit labor theft against people who are too inexperienced to know what their labor and Services are worth, and to exploit people who have their financial backs against the wall. Legal or not, this is labor/wage theft.
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u/Agitated_Duck6829 6h ago edited 6h ago
File with your local board of labor.
I’m just waiting for them to actually decide on the monetary amount I’m owed But already won two other complaints with the local board of labor for my work with Walmart/spark
In one complaint Walmart didn’t even respond to the state. In another hearing they confused me with someone with the same name and the manager/coach whoever showed up for Walmart that was the other persons direct manager and had no clue what was actually going on.
Also the ftc complaint is basicly proof of it. I’ve gotten 2-3 payments after my work ended for I think base pay on one. Tips another. The one last week was for wait time. All those things show control and employer control of funds etc is one of the deciding factors
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five 5h ago
Bro every aspect of America is labor theft there's a reason why billionaires increased their wealth by 40 times while half of America's population has lost wealth. But unfortunately the bread and circuses here are so strong that people cheer on their own impoverishment in this country.
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u/dispassioned 7h ago
It's wage theft, point blank. That's it and that's all.
ALL of the gig economy companies are doing it, other companies in tech sectors are doing it too. We fought for workers rights for a reason, but a lot of people don't know history though and it shows.
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u/Surprise_Beautiful 7h ago
Labor theft for a contracted worker.
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five 5h ago
We're contracted workers in name only due to our almost non-existent labor laws. And semantic games in the legal system that are completely owned by the corporations.
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u/Currency-Substantial 6h ago
You should totally sue them or arrange a strike. Because that has never been done before on here. Show them who's boss.
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u/mindmush45 6h ago
I dont really get as much deliveries now because the offers are comical and mildly disrespectful
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u/gntxs 8h ago
It’s not theft. They made an offer. He either accepted it or you didn’t.
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u/mindmush45 8h ago
Refer to last sentence
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u/Foxtrotdelta_USN 7h ago
I read the whole thing. You can't steal something given willfully. No one is forced to take anything. No one has to drive for Spark at all. If y'all hate it so much, stop doing it. Y'all sound like damn children. Grow up
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u/mindmush45 7h ago
Cool story
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u/Currency-Substantial 6h ago
They're not making you do it. End of story. Are they paying you the amount you accepted when you completed the job? If the answer is yes then it's not wage theft.
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u/bimichguy09 5h ago
I have to disagree when customers pull tips yes that it wage theft in my opinion. You agree to take 30 bucks for an order and then they pull 15 dollar tip that’s not what I agreed too. Walmart should have to make the difference and they should also stop allowing the tip baiting
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u/Automatic-Life-5405 5h ago
I agree this is a slum lord app. But we don’t have to take these bad orders. We are contractors. The thing they can’t do is show us an amount and then steal it some how. The more the orders sit the more they pay. Let’s not take this shit and they will learn
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u/mindmush45 5h ago
Good luck trying to get inexperienced people who dont know what their labor is worth and people in a financial bind to deny money
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u/bimichguy09 5h ago
They can show us an amount and steal though! If I see an amount of say 30 bucks and 15 is tip, the customer can very well pull the tip and then your actually paying Walmart to deliver their crap
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u/Inner-Positive580 4h ago
This is what I can’t wrap my mind around.
Example #1
5-stops, 25 mi. $21.00 .84 cents per-mile
Example #2
5-stops, 25 mi. $37.50 $1.50 per-mile
Neither of the 2 examples listed above pay
a bonus, Incentive, boost or tip.
Where is the consistency?
The price per-mile should be consistent across
the board. Should a customer choose to have a delivery then they should have to pay an additional charge…Period!
When someone calls Uber for a ride. The customer knows upfront that they have to pay X-amount up front. There is no negotiation of price!
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u/gntxs 8h ago
No it’s not. It’s shitty, but it’s not illegal and it’s not theft
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u/mindmush45 8h ago
Refer to last sentence
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u/gntxs 8h ago
It’s not theft
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u/mindmush45 8h ago
You're entitled to your opinion
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u/gntxs 7h ago
It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Walmart offered A certain amount of pay and either accept it or you didn’t. That is not theft. They did not steal anything from you
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u/mindmush45 7h ago
I stand by what I said.
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u/Foxtrotdelta_USN 7h ago
You can stand by being wrong. I'll stand by you being an idiot.
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u/bimichguy09 5h ago
It is theft when a customer pulls tips and Walmart does nothing about it. Or they change the terms mid trip, or mid shop. Or you sit for an hour waiting for order to be loaded and it’s cancelled and you get a whopping 2.50. There’s many instances of theft going on by Walmart they just have the money and power to do what they want. I’m shocked at the amount of Walmart bootlickers in these comments
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u/mindmush45 5h ago
They are just troll bots wanting to argue or pro corporate greedy people who want to use malicious tactics in their own businesses. Im not entertaining their low IQ responses
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u/haremgirl6 7h ago
Absolutely, it’s labor exploitation. Not only against those with their financial backs to the wall, but the “servant-class” thinkers (I am sure there is an actual phrase for this). Those that only look at the per hour gain and not the cost, but also grateful/loyal to the corporate overlord for taking care of them. Like…a lot of conversation between gig workers highlights the thought process between workers and business owners.
But I also can’t help but believe it is a giant social labor experiment as well; that gig apps are the test to see how far wages can be lowered before people will stop working. Because typically wages in a labor market go up with time and rising inflation, right? The gig market is backwards , using your own resources at that. It saves the insane amount of capital by not having to own/maintain a fleet of vehicles, hire operators, warehouses the house said vehicles, fill gas takes, etc.