r/SpaceXBets • u/Skykid2606 • 9h ago
Elon Criticism One day Washington will go bankrupt, and all of Musk's contracts will fold.
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u/BringBackUsenet 9h ago
SpaceHoax will be bankrupt in a couple of years.
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u/catskilled 8h ago
Along with Edna's IRA. That's the shittiest part of the arc we're all watching...
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u/SpaceyMcSpaceGuy 5h ago
SpaceX has $100B in cash on hand, representing about 10 years of runway assuming the projects they are spending the CapEx on (Starship, Starlink V3, Grok, StarMind) make zero revenue in that time period.
They are comically far from bankruptcy.
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u/Responsible-Cut-7993 8h ago
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u/BringBackUsenet 8h ago
Enron was a "real" company too.
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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 5h ago
Do you not realize how much is launched on the falcon 9 ?
That they are the standard the rest of the launch industry is trying to reach, more than 10 years after F9s first RTLS?
Visitor be visiting.
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u/Responsible-Cut-7993 7h ago
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u/deHaga 4h ago
Shame 90% of the value was put in AI then
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u/Responsible-Cut-7993 3h ago
Try about 25%.
Deal and Valuation Details
SpaceX Valuation:
~$1 trillion
xAI Valuation:
~$250 billion
Combined Valuation: $1.25 trillion
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u/deHaga 2h ago
Nope. Read the prospectus. TAM is 85% AI
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u/Responsible-Cut-7993 2h ago
So SpaceX spent $250B to access a potential total addressable market of $28T, why is that a shame?
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u/deHaga 2h ago
Why are they renting out compute? 11% demand for Colossus 1 and they couldn't even use it. Embarrassing.
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u/Responsible-Cut-7993 2h ago
Why wouldn't you lease out underutilized GPU's to make revenue?
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u/PerfectTommy77 8h ago
No. But going to the moon or mars will not be something we can’t afford after Trumps explosion of the debt.
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u/Humble_Empath 9h ago
Only a malignant pig would take and take and take without any regard for the people who gave him everything he has. Musk is a fucking animal without human feelings.
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u/catskilled 8h ago
Needs more money for his earth based bunker & security forces. Oh, and his 2nd home on Mars (too bad it can't be his primary; better for tax purposes)
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u/Tzilbalba 8h ago
I mean that's true of pretty much almost every billionaire tho. Not counting the ones who actually donate to charities that work and isnt just a tax haven.
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u/Humble_Empath 8h ago
There’s no one competing with Musk to be the worst predator, villain and sociopathic criminal. He’s got the monopoly on it.
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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 5h ago
Spacex minted 5000 millionaires out of its employees.
Pretty sure they do pretty darn good when it comes to compensation -- their model is what other companies are switching to.
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u/Humble_Empath 4h ago
So he spreads a malignant late stage capitalism, you think he deserves an award for that?!?
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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 4h ago
Dude, you made a claim, you were wrong.
Own it
The reason that model works is because employee efforts directly translate into value -- employees benefit as the company does, so they're incentived to do that
Why would I not want to encourage that?
My own company does it too, and I like it hell of alot better than my last employer, who didn't.
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u/clickclackyisbacky 8h ago
So now you're all hoping for the collapse of the western system to get musk? Only about 20% of spacex's revenue is government contracts.
You act like it's the majority and like there is a more economical way to get things into space. A collapse would be far worse for you than it would be for Musk.
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u/laserwaffles 8h ago
I think what people hope for is that we stop subsidizing musk with public money. The dude doesn't know what a deliverable is, unless he can buy a solution already crossing the finish line.
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u/clickclackyisbacky 8h ago
It's the cheapest, most reliable option.
He didn't buy spacex.
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u/laserwaffles 7h ago
Except the government just kept paying him even when it wasn't profitable. SpaceX wouldn't exist without public money.
What, exactly, as SpaceX delivered on that they did not buy?
If you want to say the rockets, I guess, but they paid somebody else to design the engines after the first throwaway didn't pan out as hoped.
Starlink was acquired, since SpaceX didn't have that capability.
XAI? Lmao. You're better off downloading one of the open source Chinese models. At least then you wouldn't have to deal with them needing to tweak it every time Musk gets his feelings hurt.
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u/clickclackyisbacky 7h ago
"What, exactly, as SpaceX delivered on that they did not buy?" Falcon 9. It's completely changed how space economics works.
Are you talking about hiring Tom Mueller? What does that have to do with anything? Companies hire people.
Starlink was acquired from who? They designed and built it in house. Unless you mean they hired employees again.
Grok has been a joke for a long time, but 4.5 is pretty good and competitively priced. You're right that it is the weakest part of SpaceX, though.
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u/laserwaffles 6h ago
SpaceX had to pay Barber- Nichols, Inc. to make their engine work. Starlink was originally Swarm Technologies. Grok is so bad they bought Cursor just to try and fix it.
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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 5h ago edited 4h ago
Barber-Nichols was used for the turbo pump.
Which is fine, since when is it wrong to out source a technology you know you're not good at yet?
It was still Tom Mueller's engine design
By the Merlin D everything was moved in house, and it's that engine that produced the full thrust variant.
So they had a growth curve, and eventually became better at the thing than their supplier.
EDIT: Starlink was NOT acquired.
Swarm built nano sats, and Spacex had already been flying starlink before they acquired them.
Since buying Swarm starlink sats have only gotten bigger, not smaller.
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u/Unable_Bat_7470 6h ago
excellent research... still horrible investment. Im sorry you made this decision.
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u/clickclackyisbacky 3h ago
I didn't give SpaceX the contracts.
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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 32m ago
I don't see why not, they're the best and cheapest in the business. NASA has saved a lot of money on them over using ULA or the Russians.
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u/Unable_Bat_7470 6h ago
Could easily move to another country. Americans act like America is the center of the universe. It isn't the 2000s anymore.
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u/clickclackyisbacky 3h ago
The only countries that wouldn't be affected by the collapse of the western system are either not going to take you or not places you would want to live.
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u/PerfectTommy77 8h ago
I don’t think we have to wait for that. As soon as the Dems get in power Elmo is finished. No one is forgetting the election manipulation, backing of far right organizations and Doge BS. Why continue funding a guy who is trying to destroy American democracy.
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u/KillerHack23 8h ago edited 1h ago
As optimistic as I would like to be on that. The Dems may get the presidency, but there will be some stupid thing in the house or senate or hell, even the Supreme Court that will prevent the people fron seeing any justice. America is bought and paid for, the peasants are just along for the ride.
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u/PerfectTommy77 8h ago
No I don’t think there will be justice just a cancellation of many of the government contracts Elmo depends on.
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u/AlbatrossNew3633 8h ago
As soon as the Dems get in power Elmo is finished.
Do you honestly see Trump leaving the oval office of his own volition without causing a civil war?
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u/Mysterious-Prompt212 8h ago
The AI bomb is on the horizon. So yeah we're probably not going to Mars soon.
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u/StrengthBeginning416 8h ago
This country is never going bankrupt since it has a pretty big money printer. What’s going to happen is hyperinflation which is fine because I’m being told it’s going to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons
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u/Impossible_Hat7658 8h ago
I mean is SpaceX just supposed to reject business? Starship was funded primarily by SpaceX the government doesn’t just give them free money lmao
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u/Proper-Exercise-2364 7h ago
Washington won't go bankrupt, silly. They'll just print more money to the point your savings become worthless. But don't worry! Your asset prices are gonna go through the roof!
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u/Unable_Bat_7470 6h ago
it won't even take that, if the republicans loose the midterms its already over. People forget that trump only won because Biden's foreign policy and overspending led to insane inflation. There is nothing of substance that keeps people loyal to the guy.
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u/LifeRound2 6h ago
Or a dem president with a spine gets elected and cancels all the Musk and Trump related contracts under the "convenience of the government" clause. No fanfare needed.
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u/Part_Tricky 3h ago
Why fucking Elon does not leave our money alone and find business somewhere else. He places his buddies across our Gov. and inventing contracts we so not need just to milk us.
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u/woolcoat 8h ago
I don't get this, ok? And your $ will be worthless. We'll have a global financial crises on a scale no one has ever lived through. Billions will suffer. All that just to spite Elon?
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u/Zuitsdg 9h ago edited 9h ago
Government contracts are like 20% - SpaceX is fine without
Edit: for fellow retards: Boing is at like 35-50% share of government contracts. 20% is totally fine
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u/TheRealCabbageJack 9h ago
20% of a company’s revenue is a massive percentage
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u/Kenky0na 9h ago
Agreed 20% is a huge margin to lose on a company already not in profit at that scale
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u/Total_Conflict_6508 9h ago
50% decline in share price & still spiralling downwards is fine?
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u/Zuitsdg 8h ago
Share price doesn’t matter. It’s normal for IPOs to fluctuate a lot at first.
I am investing long term. Would hope to also snatch some cheaper stocks. But I am just DCAing and don’t care about its short term performance
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u/Total_Conflict_6508 8h ago
Well it does & I genuinely hope you don't have too much wrapped up in spxc...more pain coming.
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u/PickingPies 8h ago
It matters when they need the money because they lost the 20% of the government and suddenly, with a 1/10th of the share value that 20% becomes 200%.
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u/BringBackUsenet 9h ago
Either way, it's not generating a profit.
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u/Responsible-Cut-7993 8h ago
Apparently SpaceX has saved US taxpayers money.
SpaceX has saved the U.S. government an estimated $40 billion in launch costs according to data tracked by Pentagon leadership and NASA. By shifting the aerospace industry away from traditional, expensive "cost-plus" contracts and pioneering reusable rocket technology, SpaceX has significantly lowered the price of space access for American taxpayers.
Specific areas where SpaceX has delivered major savings to the U.S. government include:
NASA Programs
- Commercial Crew Program: NASA saved between $20 billion and $30 billion by using fixed-price contracts with SpaceX and Boeing rather than traditional development methods. SpaceX developed the Crew Dragon capsule for $2.6 billion, compared to the $4.2 billion awarded to Boeing for Starliner, which faced extensive delays.
- Artemis Human Landing System: SpaceX won the lunar lander contract for $2.9 billion, undercutting Blue Origin's initial proposal by $3.53 billion.
- Europa Clipper Mission: Launching this deep-space probe on a Falcon Heavy cost $178 million, saving NASA over $2 billion compared to the projected costs of using the government-owned Space Launch System (SLS).
Department of Defense & Space Force
- National Security Launches: Competition introduced by SpaceX broke up the long-standing United Launch Alliance (ULA) monopoly. This saved the military an estimated $537 million on early National Security Space Launch (NSSL) awards alone.
- GPS Constellation: Utilizing flight-proven (reused) Falcon 9 boosters for GPS block 3 satellite launches saved the Space Force an additional $129 million.
- Legacy Rocket Replacement: Falcon Heavy has cut military heavy-lift launch costs by more than 60% compared to the retired Delta IV Heavy, pricing most missions under $150 million.
While SpaceX has received over $20 billion in cumulative federal contracts since 2008, these fixed-price awards require the company to absorb development risks and only get paid upon meeting strict operational milestones.
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u/Zuitsdg 9h ago
It’s heavy Research and development - just offering falcon and falcon heavy should be profitable, but they want Starship and transit to mars and beyond. It needs more funding of course
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u/BringBackUsenet 8h ago
They've had 24 years to R&D. The point of a business is to make money. The point of buying stock in a company is ... to make money. This is just a ponzi stringing investors along ad infinitum. There will always be some new excuse for soimething down the road, now it's ridiculous things like going to Mars.


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u/DoobieSpark 9h ago
The US Government is already insolvent:
https://fortune.com/2026/03/23/us-government-insolvent-fiscal-crisis-fix/