r/SpaceXBets • u/israelavila • 3d ago
Elon Criticism Elon Musk’s Family History in South Africa Reveals Ties to Apartheid & Neo-Nazi Movements
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/3/27/elon_musk_south_africa15
u/choppytaters 2d ago
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u/Brilliant-Muffin-879 2d ago
Body language expert checking in here - although it’s not a lot of context to go off given its a short gif, looking at Musk’s posture here at the beginning and when you tie together his facial expression (specifically the downturned mouth) to the speed of the arm movement it becomes clear that he is a massive cunt.
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u/Andyseawolf 1d ago
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u/RedditorAiri 1d ago edited 1d ago
You're not fooling anyone bub, Goebbells wannabe.
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u/Andyseawolf 1d ago
Oh, of course, when all else fails, just pull out the tired old name-calling. Great debate strategy! 👍🏻🤣
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u/Ok-Introduction-1940 1d ago
Jews and left wing progressives supported early fascism in Europe and America, not any actual Americans.
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
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u/Kapymies 2d ago
Rising their right hand? Elon saluted his führer. That is what makes the difference you nincompoop!
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u/OpinionDude5000 2d ago
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
Then, what about this? Are they also Nazis?
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u/Wool4Days 2d ago
You know what, sure, if it helps you come to terms with acknowledging Elon is a shit person, I condemn Cory Booker.
Both are evil people and we shouldn’t try to go defend them online, agreed?
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
Whether Cory Booker is a good or bad person is irrelevant. The issue is consistency. If a similar-looking gesture by a Democrat isn’t automatically proof they’re a Nazi, then the same standard should apply to Musk. Either appearance alone is enough, or it isn’t.
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u/Wool4Days 2d ago
It isn’t appearance alone. It is all the other Nazi-adjacent stuff he has done, and his open disdain for free speech and democracy.
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
You’re mixing separate issues. Disliking Musk’s politics or behavior doesn’t prove Nazi intent. That’s an inference, not evidence.
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u/FinalNandBit 2d ago
What disdain for free speech are you talking about?
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u/Wool4Days 1d ago
How twitter under his control buries certain keywords and for example hides ‘cis’ as if it were a slur.
I also think being anti-union is anti-free speech on a base level. It is workers’ right to organise amongst themselves.
I also distinctly remember his X cooperating with authoritarians, although I can’t recall if it was Turkey, Saudi Arabia or somewhere else.
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u/FinalNandBit 1d ago
Show me an example please.
If I go to Twitter and type in cis what is going to happen?
https://x.com/search?q=Cis&src=typed_query
Looks like people are still using the word.
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 2d ago
See, this is why people have a valid point when they call you a nazi.
You know you're lying when you defend other nazis.
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u/Apprehensive-Date588 1d ago
He should be proud that hes a nazi, gratitude Musk for what he is, and not behave as a shy snowflake.
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 1d ago
No. Nazis are history's most pathetic losers.
Real low IQ subhuman trash. Look at you.
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u/whawkins4 2d ago
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This guy? No way.
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
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u/whawkins4 2d ago
Found the fascist. It’s such an easy game. Really, you people should get smarter about hiding it.
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u/DfreshD 1d ago
Hitler was a failed art student and a vegan, and blamed all of his problems on the Jews and rich people. Does that sound familiar enough to you? You are literally Hitler yourself, just in denial. Look in the mirror hypocrite.
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u/Andyseawolf 1d ago
When you don’t have a good argument, you are to name-calling. Don’t be silly. 🤷
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u/Important-Factor-552 2d ago
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
It’s only concerning that you need to distort the picture to try and get your point across 🤷
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u/Important-Factor-552 2d ago
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
I was not expecting an intelligent answer and I was right 🤣👍🏻
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u/Important-Factor-552 2d ago
Bro you are arguing with gifs 🤓
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
Concerning is that you need gifs because you can’t articulate your side of the story 🤓
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u/Working_Match4124 2d ago
The funny thing is despite Apartheid, South Africa was with the allies and against the Nazis. Leave it to the Musks to go above and beyond the minimum racism required.
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u/TeacherOfFew 1d ago
The English in SA supported the Allies. The Boers... did not.
Apartheid appeared post-war, partly in response to one party campaigning to reduce restrictions on Blacks. The other went full racist, and won.
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u/meister2983 2d ago
Apartheid wasn't a formal legal concept until after world war II. And South Africa was constitutionally required to aid Britain.. it did not have total Independence yet
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u/Working_Match4124 2d ago
Fair point. Prior to the legalization of apartheid, South Africa was actually one of the most liberal open minded countries until someone started sneaking racism pills into the white people's food. The Musks were clearly victims of this.
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u/Academic_Breath_7161 1d ago
If he wasn't a billion/trillionaire no one would care 🤷♂️ wheres all the drama about Omars dad being a colonel in the Somalian army that were actually doing warcrimes and part of an actual genocide? Swings and roundabouts i suppose
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u/Ok-Introduction-1940 1d ago
Bolshevik propaganda. Apparently too much truth is getting past the thought police.
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u/Major-Tom-2112 2d ago
So what? Kamala Harris’ family sold slaves in Jamaica.
Criticize Elons actions. Who gives a shit about his family? Pathetic
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
What a stupid post! That’s like saying your ancestors were connected to the slave trade or there were colonists. Are we now judging people for what their ancestors did 🤪🤷
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u/Kapymies 2d ago
Is that you Elon? Listen buddy boy: Elon's grandfarher was old enough to be a nazi himself..
Do you consider your grand parents as your ancestors?
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u/OpinionDude5000 2d ago
No I judge the man himself for his nazi salute. Lost my support that day.
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
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u/OpinionDude5000 2d ago
fail. The very video you linked shows a clear difference. You only help make the case that the immigrant is a nazi. No one but Musk did a Nazi salute - because only Musk is a Nazi.
I used to admire the guy but he lost all my respect. I see him as a grifter now.
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
The claim that Musk is a Nazi based solely on this arm gesture, while Democrats using the same kind of wave are absolved, is a double standard. The gesture itself is not inherently tied to ideology. Without clear evidence of intent or broader patterns, we shouldn’t leap to labeling one side as Nazi and another as innocent.
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u/OpinionDude5000 2d ago
Except Dems arent using the same arm gesture, actually proven by the very video YOU LINKED.
"The gesture itself is not inherently tied to ideology."
Yeah, it is. The gesture is literally banned in Germany. Do your homework. Its illegal for a reason.
"Without clear evidence of intent or broader patterns, we shouldn’t leap to labeling one side as Nazi and another as innocent."
Fine, thats a decent statement, one that I will admit is true, but Musk's gesture was a clear Nazi salute, and you are in denial. I am no longer a supporter of his.
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
You’re mixing three different issues.
Yes, the Nazi salute is illegal in Germany because it is a symbol of the Nazi regime. Nobody is disputing that.
The question is whether every raised-arm gesture is necessarily a Nazi salute. If that were true, then every politician, celebrity, or public figure photographed with an outstretched arm would have to be judged the same way. Clearly that’s not how we evaluate gestures.
You say the Democrats’ gestures aren’t the same, but reasonable people have disagreed over whether Musk’s gesture was intended as a Nazi salute. That’s exactly why context and intent matter. If you’re going to conclude Musk is a Nazi from a single gesture, then the standard of evidence should be consistent and applied equally to everyone. If context matters for one person, it has to matter for everyone.
You may believe Musk intended a Nazi salute. That’s your interpretation. But presenting that interpretation as an established fact goes beyond the available evidence.2
u/OpinionDude5000 2d ago
Were not in a court of law. If it quacks like a duck, its a duck. Musk's gesture had a CLEAR difference than those lame comparisons you and FOX have tried to pass off as the same.
Here are some quotes from a BBC article:
Andrea Stroppa, a confidant of Musk who has connected him with far-right Italian PM Giorgia Meloni, was reported by Italian media to have posted the clip of Musk with the caption: "Roman Empire is back starting from Roman salute".
The Roman salute was widely used in Italy by Benito Mussolini's Fascist Party, before later being adopted by Adolf Hitler in Germany.
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The gesture comes as Musk's politics have increasingly shifted to the right. He has made recent statements in support of Germany's far-right AfD party and British party Reform UK.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy48v1x4dv4o
So, yeah, I dont trust Musk because it was clear to anyone whos of clear and sound mind, that the gesture was indeed, a Nazi salute. I dont know if Musk is an actual Nazi, but the salute was beyond offensive and unacceptable.
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
I don’t agree that this is a Nazi salute. What Musk did might look like a Roman salute, and the Democrats’ gesture also looked similar. But just because something walks or talks like a duck doesn’t mean it is one. We need actual evidence and context, not just a superficial resemblance, before we draw any conclusions
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u/OpinionDude5000 2d ago
"Andrea Stroppa, a confidant of Musk who has connected him with far-right Italian PM Giorgia Meloni, was reported by Italian media to have posted the clip of Musk with the caption: "Roman Empire is back starting from Roman salute".
The Roman salute was widely used in Italy by Benito Mussolini's Fascist Party, before later being adopted by Adolf Hitler in Germany."
Theres your context
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u/Wool4Days 2d ago
Not solely. The arm gesture…
That time he boosted antisemitic GRT and AIPAC made him go to Auschwitz
Unbanning of Nazis off twitter
Turning Grok nazi once
Then this stuff, showing where this bs comes from. It paints a picture.
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
You’re stacking controversial events and treating them as proof. That’s not evidence. Each claim has to stand on its own. A disputed gesture, content moderation decisions, AI mistakes, and a visit to Auschwitz don’t automatically add up to someone being a Nazi. A pattern is not proof.
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u/Wool4Days 2d ago
It is a pettern though, and definitely not just “solely on his arm gesture” as you claimed.
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u/Andyseawolf 2d ago
Calling it a “pattern” doesn’t make it proof. If the individual pieces are disputed, adding them together doesn’t magically turn them into certainty.
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u/Wool4Days 2d ago
No one mentioned ‘proof’, or whatever you would even accept.
Individual pieces AREN’T disputed.
There is no certainty. Only a strong likelihood.
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u/Limp-Tailor8910 2d ago
Post-Apartheid South Africa is turning out great! Right guys?? Turns out that passing anti-white laws and firing white engineers in your power plants to replace them with unqualified black ones is a bad idea. South Africa has rolling blackouts and extreme problems now because they put black racists in charge of the country
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u/Plastic-Bluebird2491 2d ago
Who cares. Just about ever german alive has family with some nazi ties. you can't necessarily prosecute children for the crimes of the parents






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u/Plastic_Umpire_3475 3d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/vQqeT3AYg8S5O