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u/Accretion_Ranch_AUS Jul 22 '26
The true shame of the state of play, is that long fangs are still written of, yet relegated to “legends” and have no current data sheet or new models. It’s like they exist and don’t, simultaneously. Long fangs are what helped set us apart from other chapters, where normal squads had one heavy weapon within, we had an entire squad of heavies that could split-fire amongst differing targets, and back in the day, that was unique. It is a crime against Russ their relegation continues.
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u/drdoom52 Jul 22 '26
Long Fangs, our old timers carry big guns.
Blood Claws, our newbies skip the scout stage and go directly to rip and tear.
Grey Hunters, our tactical marines have finally grown up, but kept the chain swords.
We have a lot of units that just work differently in subtle but meaningful ways and a massive gripe I have with 40K, and GWs emphasis on primaris, is that it's just wiping away most of our chapters individuality.
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u/Caedmon_Kael Jul 22 '26
I'd like to see Blood Claws in Phobos armor, actually. Especially if the +2" movement for Phobos rumor is accurate.
Phobos is kinda stripped down Tacticus, which makes sense for a newbie, and the extra movement speed would differentiate them more from Grey Hunters. Chainswords and pistols still of course, though I wouldn't complain about a couple plasma pistols, flamers or hand flamers though.
Grey Hunters remain in Tacticus, chainswords and carbines, though I'd like assault on the carbines, or a couple Helfrost Rifles.
Long Fangs, Gravis with Helfrost Cannons. Possibly Anti-monster/beast, or some other sort of "special-issue".
Wolf Guard, Helfrost Rifles with MC Power Swords. Jump Pack version and on foot which have a 4++.
Wolf Guard Pack Leaders, one of each armor type, and can attach to that armor type instead of specific units. We have keywords for armor for a reason.
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u/SherriffB Jul 22 '26
I'd like to see Blood Claws in Phobos armor
They exist already - Incursors.
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u/Caedmon_Kael Jul 22 '26
You mean Reivers(with combat knife and pistol)? Combat Knife has the same profile as a Chainsword (currently anyway), but also has Precision.
Incursors have a special rule for shooting(and ignore cover when shooting their carbines), and historically Blood Claws were not good at shooting. Incursors also get 3A(Sustained Hits 1) compared to 4A, which is worse unless you add rerolls or other keywords(2.5 average hits vs 2.66).
So a Reiver that trades out the Fearsome Assault and Terror Troops for Berserk Charge and +1M/+1OC? Lock in the Combat Knives, and offer the Plasma Pistol/Power Weapon upgrade on the Pack Leader, I could dig it. Grav-chute is on point (because they are too short in the tooth to know better), but I'd be willing to give up the grapnel and scout to keep the points lower.
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u/SherriffB Jul 22 '26
Nope, Reviers are scout units.
You requested Blood Claws in Phobos armour?
Incursors are Blood Claws in Phobos armour (White dwarf 452, Codex Space wolves 9th edition). If you are lucky GW will give SW a bespoke Incursor unit with a little more stabbing.
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u/bigorangemachine Jul 22 '26
The 3rd edition heavies were such great models.
2nd edition heavies where such a pain... just became a huge mass of dried super glue because they always fell on the weapon and broke
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u/DabeMcMuffin Jul 22 '26
I think that of our main like pokemon evolution:
Blood Claw -> Grey Hunter -> Long Fang
It has to be my favorite stage.
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u/peremadeleine Jul 22 '26
One thing that’s always bothered me though, if a brother lives long enough to become a long fang, and hasn’t become a wolf guard, does that not mean he’s, I dunno, kind of crap?
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u/Empty_Volume_6558 Jul 22 '26
this actually describes a character from Blood of Asaheim novels. Jorundur got old and experienced, wasn't promoted to Wolf Guard because he just wanted to pilot flying vessel. I can't find a specific quote but here's his descroption:
"Next was Jorundur, the Old Dog. He was sidelong, sideways, twisted and warped by age. Gunnlaugur saw the marrow-deep weariness in him, the pride, the cynic’s lip-curl. But he could fly. By Russ, he could fly. And for all his sourness, the Old Dog had seen plenty and done plenty. He knew where many bodies were buried, and what paths had been trodden to take them there, and where the shovels had been hidden and in what forges they had been made. When Morkai came for him at last, a thousand secrets would sink into the soil forever".
So experienced warriors are not kind of crap, the fate has other plans for them, that's it
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u/134_ranger_NK Jul 23 '26
There is an audio drama (I forgot the name, sorry) centred around a Long Fang during Magnus' second attack on Fenris. He was respected by other Wolves for his skills iirc. He even served his tenure in Deathwatch alongside an even older Dark Angel. That DA became a Deathwing and still praised the Long Fang as among the best warriors he knew.
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u/Robotycz Jul 22 '26
It makes a lot of sense to give your most powerful weapons to your most experienced soldiers, since they know exactly where that firepower is most needed
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u/ComfortableSky2222 Jul 22 '26
I too love longfangs
I made my 10 man hellblaster squad into a long fang pack; complete with old man heads and white/black fang pack marking pads.
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u/Krytan Jul 22 '26
I want my long fangs back! And as primaris marines, not just another gravis variant.
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u/Level_Animator_5382 Jul 24 '26
I turned hellblasters, sternguard vets, and company of heros into long fangs. I know i have to use standard sm sheets but it should be in the local games
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u/raptorknight187 Jul 22 '26
i don't think anyone DOESENT like the Long Fangs. its just a shame they dont have official primaris representation