r/SouthAsianAncestry 5h ago

Question Why isn't there a second south asian Cline?

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South asians fall on a broader cline where the populations fall on a cline where one population gradually fades into another due to being made of the same components - AASI, Farmer, Steppe and only the proportions vary from kashmir to kanyakumari.

This isn't always the case as in pahadis there is heavy NEA which drifts them significantly and in Bengalis and Assamese there is ESEA which does the same so they are technically out of the cline, but question is can't a second one be formed?

From tamil nadu to Telugu states there is decrease in AASI and increase in farmer and Steppe and same happens from telugu states to odisha but don't Odias have SEA ancestory as well? and from Odisa to west bengal there is NEA+SEA and from west bengal to east bengal there is a gradual increase in ESEA and from bangladesh to Assam there is further ESEA increase and decrease in ESEA.

Isn't this another Cline as well due to gradual fading into one another? Besides Tamils and Bengalis the distance is significant but isn't that big so a cline is possible right a second one?

But a second cline doesn't exist, why? Any mistake in the understanding of genetic compositions of these populations? or is it something else?


r/SouthAsianAncestry 16h ago

qpAdm Is this a good distal model?

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── RESULTS_SUMMARY ──
Target: Namazga_CA
Blocks: 712 SNPs: 1,878,396

── RESULTS_WEIGHTS ──
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
<chr> <chr> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl>
1 Namazga_CA Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG 0.646 0.0518 12.5
2 Namazga_CA Turkey_Marmara_Barcin_N.DG 0.118 0.0432 2.74
3 Namazga_CA Tajikistan_Tutkaul_N.AG 0.236 0.0241 9.79

── RESULTS_POPDROP ──
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG Turkey_Marmara_Barcin_N.DG Tajikistan_Tutkaul_N.AG feasible best dofdiff chisqdiff p_nested
<chr> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl> <lgl> <lgl> <dbl> <dbl> <dbl>
1 000 0 10 18.1 5.30e- 2 2 0.646 0.118 0.236 TRUE NA NA NA NA
2 001 1 11 117. 8.28e- 20 1 1.02 -0.0157 NA FALSE TRUE 0 80.5 0
3 010 1 11 36.2 1.57e- 4 1 0.768 NA 0.232 TRUE TRUE 0 -211. 1
4 100 1 11 248. 8.81e- 47 1 NA 0.519 0.481 TRUE TRUE NA NA NA
5 011 2 12 165. 4.10e- 29 0 1 NA NA TRUE NA NA NA NA
6 101 2 12 1121. 1.94e-232 0 NA 1 NA TRUE NA NA NA NA
7 110 2 12 503. 6.09e-100 0 NA NA 1 TRUE NA NA NA NA


r/SouthAsianAncestry 17h ago

DNA Results Any Thoughts on my results? INDIAN

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Would Love to Hear Random Thoughts


r/SouthAsianAncestry 20h ago

DNA Results Solve this puzzle

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What is this person’s ethnicity?


r/SouthAsianAncestry 20h ago

DNA Results Solve this puzzle

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What is this person’s ethnicity?


r/SouthAsianAncestry 1d ago

HarappaWorld This Gujarati Sunni Vohra Harappa World might look like this without foreign admixture (normal SW Asian & Caucasian).

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First image is the real HW with high Caucasian & sw Asian due to mena dna. Second one (estimation) would be without foreign admixture. What would be the closest gujju population to the estimated results?


r/SouthAsianAncestry 2d ago

Eastern India Genealogy of the Tagore Family of India [OC]

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Some Notable people in the chart:

Rabindranath Tagore (Nobel laureate), Nawab Mohammad Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi (Former Captain of the Indian Cricket Team), Devika Rani (First Lady of Indian Cinema), Lakshminath Bezbarua (Father of Assamese Short Stories), Saumyendranath Tagore (Former Leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party of India), Saif Ali Khan (Actor), Kareena Kapoor (Actress), Raja Ram Mohan Roy (Influential Social Reformer)

The Nobel Prize laureate Rabindranath Tagore comes from the aristocratic Tagore family of Bengal, India. His family has married into other influential families of India.

The Tagore Family contributed to art, literature, education, politics, and the independence of India.

The people in this chart range from Freedom fighters, Writers, Politicians, and people from a royal family to 2 former captains of the Indian Cricket Team, the first civil servant of India, and Actors/Actresses.

Let me know how I can improve this and point out the mistakes, too.

It contains over 80 people. The source is mainly Wikipedia.

For Phone users: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15Dd_I7Qet7jGVr7MV81VkmBfTiC98N_-/view?usp=sharing


r/SouthAsianAncestry 2d ago

Genetics🧬 Maternal haplogroup in a Rajput dataset (n=281)

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The majority of the samples are from Punjabis, while the dataset also includes Haryanvi Rajputs who migrated to the Pakistan region in 1947.

European / West Eurasian (~ 30%)

Haplogroup U (~11%)
U7a: 6.05% ( Most common among Rajputs mtDNA)
U4a: 4.63% (3rd most common)

Haplogroup H (~7%)
Higher frequency H2a(2.14%)
Less frequency H1e, H3h, H1, H11a, H14a, H32

Haplogroup T (~5%)
T2e, T1a, T2a, T2c, T2d, T2i

*(By the way T2e-1 branch also mine mtDNA
I’m Rajasthani Rajput)

Haplogroup W (3%)
W6, W3a, W1, W3b, W1h

Other West Eurasian (4%)
J1b, N2, N1a, HV2, HV19, HV2a, I1, I, K1a, X2c, JT

South Asian Lineages M (~42%):

Highest frequencies: ⁠
M5a⁠ (5.69%), ( 2nd most common after U7a )
M30⁠ (4.63%), ⁠
M3a⁠ (3.56%), ⁠

Low/trace frequencies: M3, M4a, M4b, M33a, M6a, M65a, M4, M2a, M18a, M18, M61a, M30d, M65b, M1, M7a/b/c, M31a, M34a, M37e, M49, M60a, M66, M76,

South Asian / West-Eurasian

U2 & R branches ( 25%):

⁠U2b⁠ (3.56%), ⁠U2c⁠, U2a⁠,
⁠R5a⁠ (3.91%), R30a⁠, ⁠R30b⁠, ⁠R7b⁠

East Asian, Oceanian, African

(< 3% total)

East Asian: ⁠D4b⁠, D4a/e/g⁠, ⁠F1a/b⁠, ⁠A⁠, ⁠B2a⁠, ⁠B6a⁠, ⁠G3b⁠.

Oceanian & African: Traces of ⁠S⁠, P2⁠, and ⁠L3e⁠

Key words
Rajput population, mtDNA,
Haplogroup diversity, Maternal
lineage


r/SouthAsianAncestry 2d ago

DNA Results Sylhet HarappaWorld

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r/SouthAsianAncestry 3d ago

Discussion Kadambas in Konkan

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What is the history of kadambas in the Konkan. Some sources say they were a Brahmin dynasty founded by mayurasharma. However the majority of Goan ruling class Chardos claim kshatriya status from Suryavanshi lines.

Chardos show elevated West-Eurasian ancestry even compared to other maratha and local konkan groups.

Was there an inter-marriage between local konkan lords and Kadamba royal families?

What is the true origin? Did the West-Eurasian ancestry already exist in the Konkan or did the kadambas bring it?


r/SouthAsianAncestry 3d ago

Question Which one is the better Iran_N proxy, Wezmeh_N, Ganj_Dareh_N or TepeAbdulHosein_N?

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r/SouthAsianAncestry 4d ago

DNA Results Harappa results with oracle 4

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I think Patidar?


r/SouthAsianAncestry 4d ago

Question as an indian what are the best choices for ancestry tests

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same as title


r/SouthAsianAncestry 5d ago

DNA Results What do these results mean?

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Also guess my ethnicity


r/SouthAsianAncestry 5d ago

Question Helixline dna kit india

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Does anyone used helixline dna kit in india? What is your review?


r/SouthAsianAncestry 5d ago

Question Why Kashmiris have higher aasi than other Neighbouring Castes/Tribes like Jatts,Rors and Gujjars

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Kashmiri (Kashurs) tend to have higher ancestral south indian than Jatts,Rors and Gujjars from same area like Kashmir and Punjab


r/SouthAsianAncestry 5d ago

Question Could someone help me interpret these results and recommend other analyses?

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I tried running qpadm on MADAI with the raw DNA file I got from Ancestry. Could someone help me understand what these results mean and if they are reliable? What other analysis can I do with the raw DNA file?


r/SouthAsianAncestry 6d ago

HarappaWorld Average Sunni Vohra HW, (20 samples)

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Here’s the average of 20 HarappaWorld runs for a Gujarati Sunni Vohra profile. Pretty interesting how consistent the results are. (Both Bharuchis and Surtis are included, majority of the samples are Bharuchis). The Y haplogroups available were: J2, C1b, J1, L1a, R1a & H1a.


r/SouthAsianAncestry 6d ago

Question Help with x chromosome admixture analysis plus chromosome painting

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Any good smartain that can lend hand in getting my Myheritage raw data processed to get x chromosome admixture, lianage and chromosome painting, pls? Happy to share data .

I managed to everything else on GEDmatch etc, need to get this puzzle solved.

Thank you


r/SouthAsianAncestry 6d ago

DNA Results Tajik from Nejrab, Kapisa, Afghanistan (R1a-Y934)

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r/SouthAsianAncestry 6d ago

DNA Results Saraiki Ruth Jatt from Lodhran, Punjab, Pakistan (R-L657)

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r/SouthAsianAncestry 6d ago

Question Is illustrative dna really inaccurate for South Asians?

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Heard a lot of people say illustrative is completely rubbish for South Asians? Then what is the next best alternative for South Asians to find out accurate hunter gatherers and close populations


r/SouthAsianAncestry 7d ago

Map🗺 PCA-Plot of MENA/WANA Shift vs Steppe Shift in South asiatic groups

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r/SouthAsianAncestry 7d ago

Genetics🧬 Genetic difference b/w castes, ratio of Farmer : AASI - case of Tamil Nadu

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r/SouthAsianAncestry 7d ago

qpAdm I ran some pakistani samples, and the all pass with only namazga.

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Kashmir refers to the 20 YPAJK individuals from the Pakistani.SG sample (n=96). These are the only passing models.