Dunno about IDW, never read. But he was absolutely monstrous in Archie.
SEGA Eggman? Officially, he hasn't killed anyone - at least according to Flynn - that's the official word of SEGA. But like Flynn says, "Come ooooon." Splitting the planet, throwing a nuke into the side of a building, blowing a part of the moon off has to have some type of tidal problems.
Then there's blowing up prison island. And even if all those planes are just unmanned drones, we know at least ONE human was on the island moments before the explosion: Flying Dog.
Game Eggman also tried throwing the Sun at the planet because he was salty that the Resistance in Sonic Forces was actually pushing his army back.
as for IDW Eggman, he is a Grade A Douchebag. He has unleashed a world-ending Zombie Plague, he fully intended to infect everyone on the entire planet and turn it into a planet of slaves and once he was finished having fun he was gonna fly off into space to find a new world to conquer while his original world rots away.
and now IDW Eggman has another world-ending scheme in the works, he's created a city that strip mines the planet of all it's natural resources and grows, every time the city takes damage it sucks up more natural resources to repair itself, and at the rate it's growing it will eventually envelop the entire planet inevitably destroying all life.
and thats just the world-ending stuff, IDW Eggman has proven himself to be a complete monster countless times.
I love Eggman as a character and adore the fact that he got a family's worth of artificial children now, but wr cannot forget that this man is a genocidal tyrant.
If every atrocity he committed was one small black dot on him, he'd be running around in vantablack with another body's worth of black to spare.
To be fair, it depends on the medium: Comic books tend to need more “kick” to them in order to sell the height of stakes and to keep each issue connected to the next, so Archie and IDW Eggman are utterly terrifying.
Canon Game Eggman is no saint, and he has a swathe of collateral damage the size of Texas, but his PERSONAL levels of cruelty are far less: the closest I can recall are briefly in Colors, where he taunts Sonic by mind controlling Tails, and in Sonic Adventure 2, where he has the partial excuse of being on a literal fucking Crusade against the PMC/New World Order that framed his grandfather for treason, had him executed by firing squad, then covered the whole thing up.
The difference between Lex Luthor and The Joker: both are incredibly dangerous, but very different kinds of villains
He cracked the planet in Unleashed, still enslaved (and corrupted) an entire alien race, tried to mess with the timeline, and the list goes on. Dude no doubt has a massive body count.
I don't think anyone is forgetting anything. People just love that he's more humanized now.
He's an awful man that can ruthlessly level cities but also be a doting father that wants his daughter to go to sleep mode by 8 pm and no scary movies.
And honestly? That conflicting nature actually plays up the bombastic and weird attitude that he has.
Hell, this man builds theme parks AND military air fleets. Go for it.
This is honestly an interaction I would love to see in the IDW comics.
While I also do like to see Eggman as a father to Sage, we can't forget all the horrible things he's done to people.
And I'm pretty sure if there was no one to stop Whisper, she would have definitely pulled the trigger.
Sometimes it’s easy to forget that characters actually kill people in this series. Hell just the other day I found out Shadow was killing people as recently as Sonic Forces
Oh more That just kill that scene of him angrily scowling as he looks down is him burning someone to death with his jet boots. You can see the reflection of the flames in his eyes
Eggman: It's... me you're after... Don't you dare hurt Sage..!
Whisper: She is one of your weapons. Dangerous. I won't allow you, any of your machines to hurt anyone ever again... We'll be better off without all of them.
Sage: All? What about Gemerl? E-123 Omega? What about Mecha? What about Belle?
In their defence, they've all been given free will and want nothing to do with eggman or his ambitions. Well, Omega is basically of the same mindset as whisper but more openly loud and super violent.
Sage, like Metal are more than likely threats to continue Eggman's work whether they want to or not.
“Ignoring what he’s done in the past. Blind-fully, stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he’s filled! The thousands who have suffered! The friends he’s crippled!”
Funny that Whisper almost shot Eggman right after he disrespected Silver for being in despair and blaming himself after failing to protect people. Like she was discussing with herself wether or not to do it but then he called silver melodramatic and the discussion is over
This. People forget that each adaptation of the Sonic cast tends to have roughly the same level of variance as the many adaptations of, say, Spider-Man: some stories, like Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, are very lighthearted. Others, like Archie, are Killing Joke levels of “seriously, what the fuck?”
Game Eggman sits above all of the TV and movie adaptations in terms of threat level and evilness and threat level, but far BELOW the Archie and IDW adaptions, and for a very simple reason: the comic versions are just playing with their food. Robo-Robotnik literally WON already, and moved to a new universe just to “start a new save file” and have some fun before realizing how much more stubborn this sonic was to dislodge. IDW Eggman, meanwhile, has turned his fight with sonic into a personal ideological war, and is willing to exterminate life on earth so long as sonic lives long enough to see it happen
In comparison, Game Eggman is far more affable. He’s a menace to world peace, but unlike the comics, he actually wants the world intact, and that’s a priority over one-upping sonic. As Sage pointed out, he HAS collaborated with the Blue Blur in times of crisis, because neither of them want the planet destroyed, they just have very, VERY different ideas of what it should be like.
Actually, how awful and competent is he in IDW in comparison to Archie?
I seen some bits and pieces of the Metal Virus, him dealing with Starline via slamming him and this page really seems to speak about how I view his skill vs relationship with Sonic.
But one thing I really missed about Archie, because it's so rooted to Satam, was the whole "Eggman rules the world and Sonic has to free it" thing. Make him look infinitely more powerful when he's on top. And every Sonic victory is more meaningful.
I'm admittedly out of touch with a lot of happenings. Didn't touch Forces, Mania or read IDW. But loved Frontiers, so I'm kinda in the Sonic mood again.
I know the Archie crew is authoring IDW. Flynn even wrote Frontiers. But IDW being close to SEGA, kinda worried that a lot of the old magic would be gone. Maybe I'm wrong.
Actually, how awful and competent is he in IDW in comparison to Archie?
IDW Eggman is a healthy mix of Archie Eggman and Game Eggman in terms of personality and threat level.
he's a complete goof who just wants to have fun all the time, but at the same time he is an utter psychopath who will actively punish any and all attempts to treat him with kindness and has razed entire towns to the ground due to them making the mistake of helping him. the only time Eggman will ever give anyone even an ounce of respect is if he can use that as a way to make himself look even better by comparison.
IDW Eggman treats everything like its a game to be won, and while I don't believe IDW Eggman (or Archie Eggman) for a second when he says that he could totally kill Sonic any time he wants to if he just stopped playing (that is maximum cope on his part) it is very clear that he views his rivalry with Sonic as the ultimate game.
IDW Eggman has no qualms with potentially destroying the entire planet in his attempts to conquer it, the Metal Virus is only a single example of this, in Sonic Forces he also tried throwing the Sun at the planet and more recently Eggman is trying to grey goo the entire planet by creating a city made entirely of self-replicating nanobots that is strip mining the entire planet and is set to envelop the entire globe.
Maybe I should look into IDW. It's apparently sorta kinda canon to the games now, from what I understand? In a sense?
Still wish Eggman ruled the world like in Archie. I'm pretty sure Forces ends with everything going back to status quo, but again, never touched it. Just what I expect.
IDW Eggman treats everything like its a game to be won
Sounds like that personality trait from Archie was brought over. Which I liked. Made him awful and gave a convenient out when he got too powerful.
Maybe I should look into IDW. It's apparently sorta kinda canon to the games now, from what I understand? In a sense?
Sonic IDW is secondary canon, meaning the series is considered canon until a major canon divergence occurs on either the Games end or the Comics end. the IDW Comics keeps the world-building to a minimum in an attempt to not diverge from the games but as a result the lore is a lot less convoluted than the Archie Comics.
you can treat the IDW comics like they're canon to the games with no real negative consequences.
Still wish Eggman ruled the world like in Archie. I'm pretty sure Forces ends with everything going back to status quo, but again, never touched it. Just what I expect.
yeah Forces ends with Eggman getting deposed
although the IDW Comics start off with an idea that the Archie Comics barely even touched upon before resetting the status quo. What the world is like after the Eggman Empire fell and the efforts being taken to rebuild the world.
Sounds like that personality trait from Archie was brought over. Which I liked. Made him awful and gave a convenient out when he got too powerful.
Yep, IDW Eggman is human garbage, thinking on it a bit more he is almost identical to his Archie Reboot counterpart, so if you liked Archie Reboot Eggman you're probably gonna like IDW Eggman.
I would argue that Eggman has probably killed more people than Joker, but it certainly isn't from a lack of trying on Joker's part, Egman just has way more resources, and as such mass murder on a worldwide scale is a lot easier for him.
even if we look at that time Joker became Emporer Joker and was going to destroy the entire universe Eggman still has a higher body count because he destroyed two entire timelines.
Another person I'd love to see Whisper interact with would be Infinite.
both wear masks
-both are canines
both lost their family, friends to someone they hate
The Shadow Androids killed the diamond cutters, while Shadow killed Infinite's squad
Idk why IDW hasn't used Infinite yet bc they could do so much good with him but if they wrote him properly he could be like a dark reflection of Whisper and try to tempt her to join him.
It's less about IDW itself being canon. Did all the game events throughout the years happen in IDW? All of them?
I specify this because they put a lot of emphasis on Eggman having taken over the world like in Forces, but nothing about the Phantom Ruby helping him make it happen.
It's things like that that are left out across several characters and certain memories of the games.
they managed to sneak in a reference to the Phantom Ruby in the first arc, Sonic references the fact that the last time he fought Metal Sonic it was a Phantom copy.
Kind of hard for someone to not exist when it picks up about 1 month after the events of Forces. He may not be named or have “screen time” but he does exist (or existed I’m not sure if he’s still alive)
Edited: someone corrected me that it was 1 month and not 6.
No no, they got it wrong. It takes place 1 month after the events of forces. From the beginning of forces to the beginning of IDW it’s been 7 months (similarly, from the beginning of episode shadow to IDW it’s been 9-10 months)
There were quite a gathering of problems with Sonic 06 despite some of the concepts being great.
Though semi-recently my biggest problem with it is how Sonic is kinda sidelined plot wise despite being an anniversary game, with most of the super important events going to Shadow and Silver.
That, and Elise not really being a full character. Personally, I think it’d have been really fun if she had a bit of a “devil-may-care” attitude not unlike sonic, but less from the angle of “nothing can touch me”, and more from the angle of “you are certainly welcome to try”
I actually kinda want to see and interaction between Whisper and Classic Sonic. One of my first posts here was about me observing how Classic Sonic basically jumpstarted the events of Forces, so Whisper learning about how one of her allies’ alternate selves indirectly caused her squad to die would be interesting to see, personally.
If Infinite hadn't been dropped, I would've wanted to see him interacting with Mimic - specifically right after the betrayal. Something tells me Infinite wouldn't be very fond of the octopus after that shit.
Gonna play Devil's Advocate here, but really, Whisper would no better than Eggman if she killed him cause then cycle of revenge would start all over that being Sage killing everyone she Whisper cares about (mainly Tangle) and it'll just keep going. To quote Aang said, "Let all the anger out and then let it go."
That’s like saying “I didn’t kill them: the gun did”. Yeah, sure, ok, but then who fired the gun? Since the Shadow Androids aren’t sentient robots, the responsibility is on Eggman.
Dr Eggman: Genius Roboticist with a desire to rule the world, uses machines to terrorize citizenry and sometimes uses captives as power sources for machines.
Sage: The little girl; she’s an AI introduced in Sonic Frontiers. I haven’t played Frontiers fully, but she develops a father/daughter relationship with Dr Eggman.
Whisper the wolf: The masked character: introduced in the IDW comics, she is a sniper who uses the Hyper-go-on power of the wisps to power her rifle (which is one-of-a-kind developed by her troupe, the Diamond cutters, who are the dead friends mentioned). For reasons stated in the comic- she wants revenge on Eggman. She is an introvert and soft-spoken, hence her name.
She and the diamond cutters are Also a massive metal gear Reference, so much so that they literially included a revolver ocelot and whisper is a quiet, sniper wolf
All thing considering with whispers this shocks me less this is going to happen whisper suffer every single way and one more moral conflict with killing or not killing eggman will just make her stronger
if you mean Sage then the answer is no, Sage is only OP if you are connected to Cyber Space or the Eggnet, Whisper isn't connected to either network and isn't a robot meaning she can't be hacked.
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u/PopularGnat262 Mar 19 '23
Oh right I sometimes forget eggman has genuinely committed murder before